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he should have been banned a long, long time ago. Thankfully he is now, but he will undoubtedly return as that’s all his life consists of.

Ant: So you expect me to believe that you’re on this site with good intentions? When looking at these ‘intelligent’ and ‘constructive’ posts of yours on this thread you can’t blame me for thinking your just a fifa fan boy with the single goal of demeaning PES and its users for liking it...

Yank theres no point mate. this is becoming pointless and it's wasting our time. admittedly i've probably taken up too much space on this thread, so i'm gonna call it a day. laters

1.it has got something to do about with what someone likes or not when you are forcing your own beliefs so strongly onto this thread 2. as I have said before, I feel they’ve had the core gameplay down from the beginning, and even though it would have been nice for some more noticeable...

mate its with quotes like this which baffle me and show your ignorance. we have just been debating 'this' and 'that' for a while, i've heard your point of view and you;ve heard mine. Yet you still don;t seem to grasp, let alone accept that people prefer Pes for a number of reasons and you...

Ant: I can fully understand the argument for manual controls, but there is definitely an argument against it which i've attempted to put across in my last post (it might not seem very clear) Fifa has made some very decent attempts at moving the footy game genre forward, whilst Pes has stuck...

Yank: I think you make a very good stab here as to why many people prefer pes . One can’t dispute that the added element of al manual controls in Fifa is a step forward, but for me this has its drawbacks. when you become ‘good’ at manual in fifa, it will take away the realism factor. Passes...

yeh, that could well be the reason

lol.ok, quite funny. I've got a better one for you though: IF you play Fifa you must have some serious nightmares about keepers. I can't imagine what it must be like; waking up in a pool of sweat, unsure as to what your keeper will do next? Will he do a save that isn't even possible, or will...

That's fair enough mate. Won't be long now until everyone will be judging for themselves

marcgui: I got the jist of your argument, but I was saying it was hard to make out. In the third paragraph you make no relation as to what game you are arguing for. As it stands it doesn’t make sense, that’s all. I would like licences, but for me this is a long way down on the priority...

Here's a brilliant example of someone who doesn't like pes (maybe hates it, and that's fair enough), but his argument is so incoherent and makes so little sense that it becomes worthless. the title is 'An honest (and logical) reason why PES is struggling', but you do very little to explain...

mate, i don’t want to undermine you, but it is very possible to cut out these so called 'double tap or cross guaranteed goals'. What i have always found about Pes is that it requires in depth, clever and composed play, whether attacking but more evidently in defending. sure, sometimes the a.i...

This double tap crossing-guaranteed goal was by no means apparent on superstar or top player difficulty on the we demo. The A.I made a decent attempt to mark and follow my strikers runs more on these levels. Although i haven't played on amateur, regular or professional on the demo, the...

remember he is playing on regular, which is a very easy difficulty. there are a number of videos of people playing on regular, and the A.I is poor, with bad positioning and marking thus making it very easy to get down the wing and cross to unmarked players. don’t be a pessimist, i can tell...

true...but wouldn't you agree that gameplay comes first. for me the animations aren't great, they haven't improved enough, but it's something which doesn't bother me. As long as the gameplay is solid then thats all that really matters, and pes' gameplay has always been solid.

granted, its not very good. But to be honest mate, the goalkeepers have been improved since 09, but inevitably there are still going to be problems every now and then. If your looking for a footy game with bug free keeper, i;m afraid it doesn't exist. Fifas keepers can be shocking! There are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAGwIlazjFo&feature=player_embedded Master league video, showing transfers and stuff. only problem is its in german i think. still quite interesting P.s sorry stringer, probably shouldn't have posted this here! Those videos above look awesome though

Funniest and best moment for me was on Pes 6 on the PS2. I was playing online against a guy ranked about 20th in the world and beat him with Saudi Arabia and he was Brazil. My log in name for Pes 6 online was 'The dream shatterer', and I was secure in the knowledge that I shattered his Pes...

How good does this look! It seems everything Seabass said a day or two ago about the pace of the game being slowed down and improved ball physics were true, even though Pes have always nailed ball physics from the start. Even more excited now.