50Hz/60Hz?

[99bstatton]

50Hrz/60Hrz?

I have been reading on other forums that the 60Hrz resolution is much better and smoother than 50Hrz in PES3.
I have a scart cable and on the demo when i try it, it is in black and white.
Could anyone tell me how to fix this when i get the final version?

 

[Giggsy11]

its because u needa 60hz T.V it don't mater about the scart cable.

 

[Lorenzinho]

so youre sayin if i choose 50hz mode itll be in black in white, or is that 60 hz mode if you dont have a 60hz tv?

 

[Giggsy11]

so youre sayin if i choose 50hz mode itll be in black in white, or is that 60 hz mode if you dont have a 60hz tv?

Pretty much every tele can play 50hz so if u select 50z it will work.

but 60z only works if u have a 60z tele.
so if its black and white just choose 50

 

[Zygalski]

YOU ARE ALL GETTING THE ISSUE CONFUSED, LET ME SIMPLIFY IT:

(1)If you want to play 60hz mode (which provides smoother graphics etc) you need a scart/RGB socket to support it.

(2)If your TV picture turns B+W when 60hz is selected when playing the demo, BUT NOT flickering, then this is fine - you just need a scart/RGB socket to turn it into colour and you are READY TO GO!

(3)If your TV picture flickers when you have selected 60hz (even if you have scart/RGB or not) then it means your TV DOES NOT support 60hz, so tough luck - buy a newer TV or deal with it.

There. Simple as that.

This seems to make sense.

 

[RAISH]

Hi whats the difference between a RGB socket and a scart lead they look the same on ebay!!!!

I reckon my tv will convert with a RGB coz I dont get the flicking thing u mentioned?


Which brand of make would u recommend?

 

[mikeom1]

Posted by RAISH - Today at 04:22
Hi whats the difference between a RGB socket and a scart lead they look the same on ebay!!!!

It's all in the cabling, RGB carries all three signals separately, while scart has them mixed together. But you could always just whack an adaptor on an RGB to connect to scart if you like.

The 60Hz mode does seem to be NTSC, could be why 60Hz mode appears in black and white instead of just weirdly distorted. But it depends on what you are running it through.

 

[geronimo]

finally, mikeom1, a man who might know what im on about. my tv says it supports ntsc(yes it speaks to me). however, it also says 50hz frequency on the back. so, does this mean it wont support 60hz/ntsc? are 60hz/ntsc the same thing? do i need to buy one of those expensive 100hz tellys? please, could someone reply, would be extremely grateful

 

[mikeom1]

Posted by geronimo - Today at 19:30
finally, mikeom1, a man who might know what im on about. my tv says it supports ntsc(yes it speaks to me). however, it also says 50hz frequency on the back. so, does this mean it wont support 60hz/ntsc? are 60hz/ntsc the same thing? do i need to buy one of those expensive 100hz tellys? please, could someone reply, would be extremely grateful

No need to buy a 100Hz tv. If you tv suggests it does support NTSC then it will be fine with a 60Hz NTSC signal. However as it says 50Hz on the back I'm guessing that is the PAL setting, the 50/60Hz selection in PES3 suggested that PES3 would have a 60Hz PAL mode, which I believe might be NTSC (same as WE7).

In conclusion your tv should be fine, as it's capable of displaying both 50Hz PAL and 60Hz NTSC, only problem maybe be if you want to display 60Hz PAL (you will have to check some of your other games, like tekken tag or anything with a 50/60Hz selection).

Hope this helps.

 

[geronimo]

excellent... thought i might have to buy/steal a 100hz telly! youre a great man mikeom1

 

[Barry_For_England]

I have a 21" Hitachi TV which I bought from Argos two years ago. It has a scart socket at the back and a red, white, and yellow thingy at the front. however, it says 50 hz in small writing on the lavel on the back.

If I buy an RGB cable, is there any chance of being able to run the game in 60 hz mode.

How significant are differences between 50 hz and 60 hz. Will I not enjoy 50 hz as much?

thanks.

 

[RAISH]

It's all in the cabling, RGB carries all three signals separately, while scart has them mixed together. But you could always just whack an adaptor on an RGB to connect to scart if you like.

Hi were would I be able to pick up an adaptor from?

Whats the adaptor called??

 

[mikeom1]

Posted by Barry_For_England - Today at 00:19
If I buy an RGB cable, is there any chance of being able to run the game in 60 hz mode.

How significant are differences between 50 hz and 60 hz. Will I not enjoy 50 hz as much?

You wouldn't be able to play unless it supports 60Hz, if the TV supports 60Hz it more then likely will have the ability of NTSC display. However TVs which are only 50Hz and 2 years old it's hard to say whether it will support 60Hz.

If you have always played games in 50Hz then you'll be fine with it. There is slight improvement to graphics and smoothness of gameplay due to faster and clearer delivery of visual and audio.

Posted by RAISH - Today at 03:42
Hi were would I be able to pick up an adaptor from?

Whats the adaptor called??

I would suggest getting a simple ps2 rgb scart lead, they are quite cheap these days especially on ebay better quality that whacking the ps2 rgb into a scart. Anything like the one below or similar should be fine. Plus it gives you extra sound support if you want.

pic

 

[Zygalski]

I thought I'd post this 'cause I keep seeing people asking about RGB, black & white picture problems and the like.

Basically there are 4 main types of leads for connecting the PS2 to a TV. They are presented below with info in order of picture quality (worst to best).

1) Composite Video Connection - consists of 3 phono cables (1 for video - usually yellow - and 2 for audio - red & white). This gives the worst picture quality and will not allow you to play NTSC games in colour.

2) AV Scart (aka Euro Scart) - the scart lead that comes with the PS2 and gives better picture quality than composite but much worse than RGB scart (see below). NTSC games will be displayed in black & white.

3) Super-VHS (S-VHS) - one S-VHS (large round multi-pinned connector) cable and two audio cables. This gives a better picture quality than AV scart but not quite as good as RGB Scart. It can play NTSC games in colour.

4) RGB Scart - the best choice for connecting your PS2 to your TV. Gives the best picture quality and will play NTSC games in full colour. NB: this must be connected to a RGB-compatible scart socket on your TV (there is usually an RGB symbol under the socket and it is usually AV1 or the main scart socket).

Hope this clears some issues up for people who are unsure. If this helps maybe it could be made a sticky.

Can't wait to pick PES3 up tomorrow! Tried today but my local GAME (st helens) wouldn't sell it yet. Gits.

Oh and about the debate between NTSC and PAL:

NTSC

National Television Systems Committee. The colour TV broadcast system used in the US, Canada and Japan. An NTSC picture is made up of 525 horizontal lines and has inferior picture quality in comparison to the PAL system. DVD's and games that are played on a television that is not compatible will appear in black and white.

PAL

Phase Alternating Line. The colour TV broadcast system used in Australia, UK & Europe. A PAL picture delivers a better quality picture than NTSC due to its 625 horizontal lines (sharper picture and better colours).

PAL gives better picture quality than NTSC (higher resolution & better colour definition. The only other point worth arguing about is the difference in refresh rates. NTSC has a faster frame rate (30 frames per second at 60Hz versus PAL's 25 frames per second at 50Hz) which reduces flicker.

The other issue is that games from Japan & USA (i.e. PES£) that are not optimised for PAL 50Hz mode will run slower than in 60Hz mode. This
has been reported on these forums (however a large number of people have said 50Hz runs faster than 60Hz!!!!).

To clarify, a game run in 50Hz mode cannot run faster than the same game in 60Hz mode - so these people are obviously slightly confused.

The best option is to have a TV & cables capable of receiving RGB input at both 50Hz and 60HZ, then testing them both and playing with the option you prefer.

50Hz = better graphics (higher resolution & crisper colours)

60Hz = faster gameplay (around 10%)

 

[mikeom1]

I still want to know what happened to a PAL 60Hz mode? Was it scrapped or never planned?

 

[mrdunkleysexy]

Hello

Thanks for the information on scart connections etc

With a Super-VHS Or RGB scart connection is there a way for me to link it up through my hifi so I get the sound quality too??

Thanks

 

[mikeom1]

Yeah I scart I linked 3 posts up or so should do the trick.

 

[a121509]

Hello

Thanks for the information on scart connections etc

With a Super-VHS Or RGB scart connection is there a way for me to link it up through my hifi so I get the sound quality too??

Thanks

Yeah, you insert the yellow (video) cable into its normal slot on the tv, then the red and white (audio left/right) go into your hi-fi. I have a tv-out graphics card on my pc and do the same thing.

However, if your hi-fi has a digital in socket you'd be better off getting a digital cable and connecting your ps2 directly to that. The sound will be infinitely better. Or you could get some dolby 5.1 surround speakers and plug them into your ps2.

As for 60hz, i think that any NTSC compatible TV will be able to show 60hz. If you ever buy a TV and want to be sure it will run 60hz, make sure you ask if it is NTSC compatible.

 

[Milosh]

I have Virtua Tennis 2 and Soul Calibur 2, both games give you a choice of choosing between 50/60Hz PAL, and in both cases I found 50Hz much prettier.

In PES3 case, is it 60Hz NTSC or 60Hz PAL, that's where I'm confused...???

 

[mikeom1]

It also depends what you are playing it through, if there is the option of 50/60 PAL the 60Hz for me looks and plays much better.

For PES3 no one has confirmed for me either way, and I don't have the disk or image to hand, could someone do the following...

Create an image of PES3 original
Open in cdmage or isobuster
Find the 2 .PSS files and see if there is NTSC in any of the name (or try and replace it with a dummy .PSS file and see if needs ntsc formatting, if you know how).

Then we can say if it's NTSC 60Hz, which I think it is.