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A new hope...?!

byondthought

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Itsfootballstupid said:
Be afraid cynics be very afraid, it looks the king is about to return. Well maybe its on the way. Unlike some of you I appreciate any good news that I get of the game. Hell all the previews that I have read so far have been praising the game. Hey I am definitely getting my hopes up because I know this game can't be any worse than 09 which was a game that I totally enjoyed, as far as I am concerned Pes 10 is a win win situation for me.
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Lol, i see where your coming from, i believe that PES2010 will be the best PES ever made...


Unfortunately the Kingdom has evolved...! :shocking:
 
byondthought

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Perfectstrik

Perfectstrik

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byondthought said:
just read the preview, this bit was bit strange.....

"But how does it play? How does PES 2010 feel when you actually play a pass, shoot at goal or try in vain to break cover star Lionel Messi’s legs? The answer is… like FIFA"
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But what you have to realise for the last couple of years fifa has been very ISS like in its approach,pes2010 is very much like ISS again ie the fun and enjoyment factor but at the same time staying true to the pes formula.
 
Itsfootballstupid

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byondthought said:
just read the preview, this bit was bit strange.....

"But how does it play? How does PES 2010 feel when you actually play a pass, shoot at goal or try in vain to break cover star Lionel Messi’s legs? The answer is… like FIFA"
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Fifa09 was a great game even Seabass admitted to that, Konami dropped the ball the last couple of years, it took some very angry fans and a strong Fifa09 games to get them back on track. Konami isn't going slack off again because they get now, they can't bring out mediocre product anymore or they'll lose their fan base to EA which in a way is a good thing for us consumers.
 
byondthought

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Perfectstrik said:
But what you have to realise for the last couple of years fifa has been very ISS like in its approach,pes2010 is very much like ISS again ie the fun and enjoyment factor but at the same time staying true to the pes formula.
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Realise that one of the main reasons people actually started playing fifa is that it was different..!!

LOL, are you sure you've even played fifa ??? or iss for that matter ???

Anyway if pes2010 does play like fifa and you all love it, i guess we all owe a monumentally huge THANK YOU to people like TECH_SKILLs......!!!!!!!!!
 
shaun7

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^But that's the thing. Pes will never play like fifa. It can imitate certain things but it can never play like it.
Afterall they are 2 different games.
 
byondthought

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shaun7 said:
^But that's the thing. Pes will never play like fifa. It can imitate certain things but it can never play like it.
Afterall they are 2 different games.
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of course its not going to play exactly the same...

Seabass himself says its made for the Japanese market then adapted for europe, this is why i dont think it will ever really hit the spot for me again....

their whole concept of how the gameplay should be just isnt my cup of tea anymore...
 
The_Difman

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byondthought said:
of course its not going to play exactly the same...

Seabass himself says its made for the Japanese market then adapted for europe, this is why i dont think it will ever really hit the spot for me again....

their whole concept of how the gameplay should be just isnt my cup of tea anymore...
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As long as it plays good who cares what their concept is?!
 
The_Difman

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byondthought said:
lol, well i care about the concept....its dated..!!!
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Do you realise that concept can be/is different to the final outcome? As long as the game is good who cares? I just want to good football games this year, which is what is likely to happen going by previews :)
 
byondthought

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The_Difman said:
Do you realise that concept can be/is different to the final outcome? As long as the game is good who cares? I just want to good football games this year, which is what is likely to happen going by previews :)
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There are two prevailing theories in contemporary philosophy which attempt to explain the nature of concepts (abstract term: "conception"). The representational theory of mind proposes that concepts are mental representations, while the semantic theory of concepts (originating with Frege's distinction between concept and object) holds that they are abstract objects.[1] Ideas are taken to be concepts, although abstract concepts do not necessarily appear to the mind as images as some ideas do.[2] Many philosophers consider concepts to be a fundamental ontological category of being.

A concept is a cognitive unit of meaning— an abstract idea or a mental symbol sometimes defined as a "unit of knowledge," built from other units which act as a concept's characteristics. A concept is typically associated with a corresponding representation in a language or symbology[citation needed] such as a word.

The meaning of "concept" is explored in mainstream cognitive science, metaphysics, and philosophy of mind. The term "concept" is traced back to 1554–60 (l. conceptum - something conceived)[citation needed], but what is today termed "the classical theory of concepts" is the theory of Aristotle on the definition of terms

I dont like Seabass's that much anymore...
 
Perfectstrik

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byondthought said:
There are two prevailing theories in contemporary philosophy which attempt to explain the nature of concepts (abstract term: "conception"). The representational theory of mind proposes that concepts are mental representations, while the semantic theory of concepts (originating with Frege's distinction between concept and object) holds that they are abstract objects.[1] Ideas are taken to be concepts, although abstract concepts do not necessarily appear to the mind as images as some ideas do.[2] Many philosophers consider concepts to be a fundamental ontological category of being.

A concept is a cognitive unit of meaning— an abstract idea or a mental symbol sometimes defined as a "unit of knowledge," built from other units which act as a concept's characteristics. A concept is typically associated with a corresponding representation in a language or symbology[citation needed] such as a word.

The meaning of "concept" is explored in mainstream cognitive science, metaphysics, and philosophy of mind. The term "concept" is traced back to 1554–60 (l. conceptum - something conceived)[citation needed], but what is today termed "the classical theory of concepts" is the theory of Aristotle on the definition of terms

I dont like Seabass's that much anymore...
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Its not about concepts its all about gameplay bottom line and the feeling you get while playing thats important.

Its not about animation,mo-capping and physics because they mean shit if the gameplay isnt up to scratch and this is why pes will always be superior to fifa.

So the last two years havent been anything to write home about but this has changed this year with pes2010.

Pes2010 is nothing like fifa its pes but better then its ever been with more freedom of movement and control with finetuned gameplay and that all important playability back.

Fifas a tech heads dream with its animation and features but it doesnt deliver wear it matters and thats on the pitch.

Whether you like to admit it or not konami are the masters of the football genre and have a cv of football games that date back twenty years from the the delights of ISS deluxe through to pes2009 which in my mind is still one of the best football games on the market and is still superior to fifa09.

You can quote as much techno babble as you want beyondthought but the majority agree pes09 was still the better game last year,one that pes2010 builds on delivering what konami always visioned for the next gen.
 
Perfectstrik

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FIORE_FAN said:
A very good read from the WENB frontpage news/blogs:

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/back-with-pes-2010/#more-1771

The mood is good!! ;o)
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Because adams got the newer code now and realises like all of us that have tryed it how good it is this year.

Its the 360 movement it just completely changes the way pes2010 plays and just gives you so many options and choices.

Its the missing element that pes09 lacked and would of been so much better if it had it.
 
The_Difman

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Perfectstrik said:
Because adams got the newer code now and realises like all of us that have tryed it how good it is this year.

Its the 360 movement it just completely changes the way pes2010 plays and just gives you so many options and choices.

Its the missing element that pes09 lacked and would of been so much better if it had it.
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There were waaaaaaay more elements that PES2009 lacked more than 360 movement (passing, running-ball-on-a-string-animations, etc.)

Really excited for PES now this year, lets hope all these previews don't let us down like the last few years

byondthought said:
There are two prevailing theories in contemporary philosophy which attempt to explain the nature of concepts (abstract term: "conception"). The representational theory of mind proposes that concepts are mental representations, while the semantic theory of concepts (originating with Frege's distinction between concept and object) holds that they are abstract objects.[1] Ideas are taken to be concepts, although abstract concepts do not necessarily appear to the mind as images as some ideas do.[2] Many philosophers consider concepts to be a fundamental ontological category of being.

A concept is a cognitive unit of meaning— an abstract idea or a mental symbol sometimes defined as a "unit of knowledge," built from other units which act as a concept's characteristics. A concept is typically associated with a corresponding representation in a language or symbology[citation needed] such as a word.

The meaning of "concept" is explored in mainstream cognitive science, metaphysics, and philosophy of mind. The term "concept" is traced back to 1554–60 (l. conceptum - something conceived)[citation needed], but what is today termed "the classical theory of concepts" is the theory of Aristotle on the definition of terms

I dont like Seabass's that much anymore...
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Yawn ... must have taken all of 3 seconds to copy and paste from Wikipedia

Stop trying to be the new Tech_Skill ;) ... at least he had some valid points every now and then.

Like I've said before ... who cares what the concept is like, as long as the game is good. I'd rather have fun with my game, be it PES or FIFA, than care what their concepts are
 
Perfectstrik

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The_Difman said:
There were waaaaaaay more elements that PES2009 lacked more than 360 movement (passing, running-ball-on-a-string-animations, etc.)

Really excited for PES now this year, lets hope all these previews don't let us down like the last few years



Yawn ... must have taken all of 3 seconds to copy and paste from Wikipedia

Stop trying to be the new Tech_Skill ;) ... at least he had some valid points every now and then.

Like I've said before ... who cares what the concept is like, as long as the game is good. I'd rather have fun with my game, be it PES or FIFA, than care what their concepts are
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The passings all right in pes09 when you learn to use it properly,what are you gauging pes09 against because if your talking about the ps2 versions then your kidding right because even pes09 was more realistic then these games.

Dont get me wrong pes09 has got its flaws but fundamentally its still the most realistic pes we have had.

Its just a question of spending the time with it and adapting to its more measured gameplay which can take many months to tap into.

Not perfect but still a very good game.
 
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