Advanced Formations (Images)

[TheSpecial-1]

Are you for real kid?
Have you read any of this thread???? It is actually what the thread is all about (using 2 or 3 formations at once)................

Apparently some do not utilise the info here..most prefer a "ultimate formation" of theirs and try to transit from defence to attack using just that.

 

[Lorenzinho]

Juventus FC​

Formation A: - 4-4-2

--------------------------Buffon---------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)---------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------Emerson(DMF)-------------
-------------------Vieira(CMF)------------------------------
-Camoranesi(RMF)------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------Nedved(OMF)-------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------Del Piero(CF)----------------------
----------Ibrahimovic(CF)----------------------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: B
Zone Press: B
Offside Trap: B
Counter Attack: B

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Emerson
Normal = Thuram, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Vieira, Ibrahimovic
Low = Nedved, Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - Forward + Diagonal towards right touchline
Zambrotta - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Camoranesi - Forward/Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - Forward + Diagonal towards centre
Del Piero - N/A
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Formation B: - 4-3-3

-----------------------------Buffon-------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)--------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
-------------Vieira(DMF)-------------Emerson(DMF)---------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------Nedved(OMF)-----------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-Camoranesi(RWF)------------------Del Piero(CF)-----------
---------------------Ibrahimovic(CF)-----------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: B
Zone Press: A
Offside Trap: B
Counter Attack: A

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Vieira, Emerson
Normal = Thuram, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Ibrahimovic
Low = Nedved, Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - Forward + Diagonal towards right touchline
Zambrotta - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Camoranesi - Forward/Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Del Piero - N/A
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Formation C: - 4-5-1


-----------------------------Buffon-------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)--------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
-------------Vieira(DMF)-------------Emerson(DMF)---------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------Nedved(CMF)---------------------
-Camoranesi(RMF)------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------Del Piero(OMF)--------
-----------------------------------------------------------
---------------------Ibrahimovic(CF)-----------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: C
Zone Press: A
Offside Trap: C
Counter Attack: A

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Vieira, Emerson, Thuram, Zambrotta
Normal = Camoranesi, Ibrahimovic, Nedved
Low = Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - N/A
Zambrotta - N/A
Camoranesi - Forward + Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - N/A
Del Piero - Forward + Diagonal towards centre
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Kicker/Captain:

Kickers:

Short FK: Del Piero
Long FK: Nedved
Corner Left: Del Piero
Corner Right: Del Piero
PK: Del Piero

Captain: Del Piero

 

[TheSpecial-1]

Juventus FC​

Formation A: - 4-4-2

--------------------------Buffon---------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)---------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------Emerson(DMF)-------------
-------------------Vieira(CMF)------------------------------
-Camoranesi(RMF)------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------Nedved(OMF)-------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------Del Piero(CF)----------------------
----------Ibrahimovic(CF)----------------------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: B
Zone Press: B
Offside Trap: B
Counter Attack: B

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Emerson
Normal = Thuram, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Vieira, Ibrahimovic
Low = Nedved, Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - Forward + Diagonal towards right touchline
Zambrotta - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Camoranesi - Forward/Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - Forward + Diagonal towards centre
Del Piero - N/A
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Formation B: - 4-3-3

-----------------------------Buffon-------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)--------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
-------------Vieira(DMF)-------------Emerson(DMF)---------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------Nedved(OMF)-----------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-Camoranesi(RWF)------------------Del Piero(CF)-----------
---------------------Ibrahimovic(CF)-----------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: B
Zone Press: A
Offside Trap: B
Counter Attack: A

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Vieira, Emerson
Normal = Thuram, Zambrotta, Camoranesi, Ibrahimovic
Low = Nedved, Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - Forward + Diagonal towards right touchline
Zambrotta - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Camoranesi - Forward/Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - Forward + Diagonal towards left touchline
Del Piero - N/A
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Formation C: - 4-5-1


-----------------------------Buffon-------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------Cannavaro(CB)--------Kovac(CB)--------------
-Thuram(RB)----------------------------------Zambrotta(LB)
------------------------------------------------------------
-------------Vieira(DMF)-------------Emerson(DMF)---------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------Nedved(CMF)---------------------
-Camoranesi(RMF)------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------Del Piero(OMF)--------
-----------------------------------------------------------
---------------------Ibrahimovic(CF)-----------------------

Defence system: Line Defence

Back line: C
Zone Press: A
Offside Trap: C
Counter Attack: A

Individual:

Defence:

High = Buffon, Kovac, Cannavaro, Vieira, Emerson, Thuram, Zambrotta
Normal = Camoranesi, Ibrahimovic, Nedved
Low = Del Piero

Attack:

Buffon - N/A
Kovac - N/A
Cannavaro - N/A
Thuram - N/A
Zambrotta - N/A
Camoranesi - Forward + Backwards
Vieira - N/A
Emerson - N/A
Nedved - N/A
Del Piero - Forward + Diagonal towards centre
Ibrahimovic - Forward

Kicker/Captain:

Kickers:

Short FK: Del Piero
Long FK: Nedved
Corner Left: Del Piero
Corner Right: Del Piero
PK: Del Piero

Captain: Del Piero

Doesn't anyone in here realise that the title of the formation eg. "4-4-2","4-5-1" etc. indicates the structure of the team during defensive mode? Seems like I'm the only 1 in here who uses two formations as 1 whole tactic rather than 2 or more seperate formations alternating during the course of play.

 

[Lorenzinho]

Doesn't anyone in here realise that the title of the formation eg. "4-4-2","4-5-1" etc. indicates the structure of the team during defensive mode? Seems like I'm the only 1 in here who uses two formations as 1 whole tactic rather than 2 or more seperate formations alternating during the course of play.

I see the three as different formations for use in different scenarios.

Maybe flick on B when you're in need of a couple extra goals.

Flick C on when you're being over-run in midfield.

Etc...

 

[jMz]

Doesn't anyone in here realise that the title of the formation eg. "4-4-2","4-5-1" etc. indicates the structure of the team during defensive mode? Seems like I'm the only 1 in here who uses two formations as 1 whole tactic rather than 2 or more seperate formations alternating during the course of play.

I thought the title of the formation indicated the formation?? Like a 4-5-1 would indicate that there will be 4 defenders, 5 midfielders and 1 striker.
The structure of the team during defensive mode? Do you mean you only need one formation, and it behaves differently when you have and don't have the ball, cos we all knew that too.
The point of this thread is to educate people into the possibility of switching your players around during a game without having to pause, also to describe the roles of all players and each of the settings you can apply to them to make them behave in particular ways.

P.s

Quality work 'Zinho, I'd love to see more of this, it's what the thread is for. I will test that later when I go back to my flat.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

Luay, all that is already in the thread mate.

Pro Pimp, I don't know what you want tweaking mate, you are just asking how can I make it better, but you don't say for what, do you want it to be more offensive/defensive, more free or more regimented, improved centre or wings, I don't get what you want from it, to tell you what to change.

Maybe try levelling the forwards out into a straight line to counter offside problems with the lone striker, but to be honest it's designed for a specific style so changes would make it a new formation on it's own if you know what I mean.
Figure out which elements of it aren't working for you, then I'll see what you can do with it to fit it to your style. It does still work in PES4 mind, most of my formations from PES3 work even better in 4 because you have more freedom when it comes to passing and moving.

Also Pimpmeister, you ask for details of my newest PES4 formation, it's on this thread a few posts ago, there is no image but that's cos I haven't had time to do one.

Do you people actually read what's on here before posting or what??!! I hate repeating myself. Nee sweat like lads, don't cry, I'm not really kicking off.

I wanted to know that if you were going to use this formation again in the current versions of PES how would you change it for you personally?

 

[Lorenzinho]

Quality work 'Zinho, I'd love to see more of this, it's what the thread is for. I will test that later when I go back to my flat.

Cheers. If it doesn't work and you can see some improvements that could be made, please post 'em up!

 

[jMz]

I wanted to know that if you were going to use this formation again in the current versions of PES how would you change it for you personally?

I probably wouldn't mate to be honest. It does it's job as it is. And like I said already, if I were to change anything I would maybe level the front line out, depending on who's picked of course. Any tactic I've set up for PES3 will be better on PES4 because of the improvements in the game itself.


'Zinho, that Juventus formation does work a treat, I leave the default one for the ermm... default one! and put your other two in and it works a treat, but I've used something similar before (as you can imagine) and I knew it was good as soon as I seen it. I use similar for the toon when I pick them.

 

[ayzee]

5-2-3 formation

Hi JMZ welcome back

Ive been reading this thread for ages now and it has seriously improved my overall abilities in Pro Evo and even made me enjoy this game even more.Thanks

Could you help me with this formation JMZ

Ive been using the default 5-3-2 for a while now as i find it handles most other formations my mates use against me. I decided that if i could create an alternative with 3 upfront but still 5 in defence it could be lethal.

The 5-2-3 formation has been one ive been trying to get right for ages now and i think i have it sorted.

Ive dropped Ronaldhino deep, as i can use him to feed the ball forward to Ronaldo, kaka or just to wait for support from Carlos up the wing.

Defending isnt such a problem. The D-Line is "A" which takes away the problem of the midfield gap and pressures the attackers as soon as they counter.

Ive found the zone press encourages the defenders to work harder to snatch the ball and mount a quick counter which is how i want this formation to work.

On counters the through balls from Kaka to Ronaldo always seem to break the defence quite easily.
Once my SB's come up to help this formation becomes quite attacking with many options.

Could you guys have a look at this and tell me what you think, and if you have any suggestions for improvements etc. Especially the positions of the players and the attacking arrows etc. and if you can find any downsides to this formation.

Im looking to try to perfect this and use it for every match i play.

Hope you dont mind JMZ, i quickly edited up one of your previous formations in Paint Shop and managed to show how my formation works. Crude i know but there you go!

 

[jMz]

Ayzee, that's proper mint mate.

It's fine that you used my templatem I encourage it.

OK, here's what I would do personally to your set up, although it is good already.

I'd bring the full backs a bit closer to the centre and quite a bit further forward with arrows forward and towards the wings (like you have).

I'd swap Ze Roberto for Adriano and change him to CF, maybe tuck him a bit closer to the corner of the box, he can cut in on his left. Attack arrow inwards to the goal.

I'd put Ronaldinho in OMF near to where he is, as far forward as OMF will let you. Attack arrow inwards to the goal.

If you feel risky you could change the DMF to a CMF and he will help attack more, as you have a wealth of defenders to cover for him. Don't apply an attack arrow and he won't stray too much. Still, if you leave him DMF or change to CMF, move him to the edge of the centre circle anyway, and have him a little more central. Either that or make sure the SB will cover for the side he isn't on.

That's about it mate. I don't want to criticise your work cos it is sound. But personally I wouldn't play more than 4 at the back, although I play a very attacking style and it sounds like your mates might be a bit tasty, so there must be a reason you need 5. It seems quite defensive, but I know you can attack with defensive formations, so if it works, the quality. Hope my tips don't screw it up.

If you want more attacking though, play 3-5-2, or 3-4-3.

The aggressor will always emerge victorious.

 

[Gun_Runner]

Great mate, I used it against italy in a friendly match - worked well, however....I think if you replace Ze Roberto with Adriano and then played Adriano through the centre you may have more success, as Ronaldo & Ronaldinho have good pace , they could get down the wings and cross it for Adriano to bang one home....or you could cut inside men with ronaldo and ronaldinho and get a shot tucked away.

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

JMZ will you be showing images and explaining formations for WE8:LE or WE9 or PES5? I would like ot see a detailed image of your current favourite formation like you have shown for PES3 and you done a few early PES4 ones but i understand if u dont have time mate!

 

[jMz]

JMZ will you be showing images and explaining formations for WE8:LE or WE9 or PES5? I would like ot see a detailed image of your current favourite formation like you have shown for PES3 and you done a few early PES4 ones but i understand if u dont have time mate!

You can garuantee I'll be getting PES5, but not the WE games. Like I've said countless times, this thread is to show you how to make your own set ups. It's bad enough my mates trying to copy my style never mind you lot!! What happens when I meet one of you at a tournament and you are using one of my formations??! I'm not here to tell you what to do, I'm here to help you develop your own style. My style or set up may not be suitable for your individual style of play. So that is why these pages are crammed with bits of info and tips so you can take what you need to create your own set up. I have built a squad around specific players and with a specific style in mind. There is bound to be players in my team you won't want.
I know for a fact I don't have the time these days to sit and tinker with photoshop for hours, I barely get chance to have a game on PES!
And like I said before, there is no "perfect" formation. Think of the teachings of Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do when he refers to different Martial Arts styles, "use a style without style, a way without a way, a form without form. What may be truth for me may not be a truth for you."
Use my teachings to find your own way.
If I just tell you what to do, you won't learn a thing.

So in short, I won't be showing you my favourite formation, that is my secret. If you read the thread enough you'll be able to tell what I use anyway, I have also mentioned several times that I do not use one formation all the time, I will adapt to the opponent or scenario. It would take months to go through all the formations I have used over the years. For example, there would be countless numbers of alternative 442's, 352's, 343's etc. All using the same base but tweaked for the players in the team and whoever you play against. It would be like explaining the different combinations you could use to put the lottery on!

How profound......

 

[Zygalski]

I know for a fact I don't have the time these days to sit and tinker with photoshop for hours, I barely get chance to have a game on PES!

I think one simple way to share formations would be using the pc version, with Screenshot Manager to take shots of the formation in the formation screen. This would save time.

 

[Compulsion]

The PESFan Editor has a option for making images of formations, there's a button on the formation editing screen which let's you save images like this:

All the info on one piccy

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

You can garuantee I'll be getting PES5, but not the WE games. Like I've said countless times, this thread is to show you how to make your own set ups. It's bad enough my mates trying to copy my style never mind you lot!! What happens when I meet one of you at a tournament and you are using one of my formations??! I'm not here to tell you what to do, I'm here to help you develop your own style. My style or set up may not be suitable for your individual style of play. So that is why these pages are crammed with bits of info and tips so you can take what you need to create your own set up. I have built a squad around specific players and with a specific style in mind. There is bound to be players in my team you won't want.
I know for a fact I don't have the time these days to sit and tinker with photoshop for hours, I barely get chance to have a game on PES!
And like I said before, there is no "perfect" formation. Think of the teachings of Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do when he refers to different Martial Arts styles, "use a style without style, a way without a way, a form without form. What may be truth for me may not be a truth for you."
Use my teachings to find your own way.
If I just tell you what to do, you won't learn a thing.

So in short, I won't be showing you my favourite formation, that is my secret. If you read the thread enough you'll be able to tell what I use anyway, I have also mentioned several times that I do not use one formation all the time, I will adapt to the opponent or scenario. It would take months to go through all the formations I have used over the years. For example, there would be countless numbers of alternative 442's, 352's, 343's etc. All using the same base but tweaked for the players in the team and whoever you play against. It would be like explaining the different combinations you could use to put the lottery on!

How profound......

So why did u have no problem sharing your formations for PES3 and in the early PES4 days? Your PES3 formation really improved me in the game and i was unbeaten against me mates with it which i missed in PES4 when u left and now that i am delighted that your back and now u tell me that u will no longer be sharing your formations? Could u not at least share one of your best formations if u dont want to reveal the very best one? Als could u help me with tactics like setting Zone press to A,B or C etc? Are u no longer making formations for the club teams in the games?

 

[Pro P.I.M.P]

I might try to use your 2-6-2 formation but is there a club team in the game that it would work with or should i start a ML team? Also would you alter anything to this formation and could u plz post the best possible players for me to use for this formation plz JMZ? Thankz!

I have just tested this formation in WE8:LE using Classic Brazil and i must tell u JMz that it may be the best formation you have shown me yet! I didn't like it in PES4 but i have played the 1st half of a 30min game against Classic Italy on 6* and i am up 3-0! I have had more possession and i have already had 20+ shots on goal and its only half time! I also have noticed that it isn't that risky because the only chances i have conceded are from my own silly mistakes or else shots from range! U are da man JMZ! But plz answer my question above and take as much time as u need to help me with the above query! Thankz!

I have created a ML Team using this formation! Plz suggest aby changes that u would make JmZ!

GK: Schmeichel
CBL: Koeman
CBR: Baresi
CML: Gullit
CMR: Boban
LM: R.Carlos
RM: Beckenbaur
OML: Zico
OMR: Zidane
LWF: Rivelino
RWF: Cruyff

 

[TheSpecial-1]

Hail the radical 3-6-1! LOL

 

[jMz]

Zyg, I don't have the PC version, because my PC is shite, for now at least, upgrade due soon.

PIMP, You don't give up do you? I had time to share my formations on PES3 cos I simply had the time, I wasn't working full time, I didn't have a girlfriend, and most importantly I had an internet connection (I am borrowing this one).
Check this thread for info on zone press, it is in here definately. The players you listed are fine, I pick most of them myself.
And how many times do I have to say it, all the info (nearly) that I possess is in this thread already, I understand that it could take some time to read it all, but it would also take lots of time for me to type it all AGAIN!
I'm sorry for being snotty lads, but I am sick of repeating myself.

Here is how it works..
First I need to pick a team that needs a workover, as you know there is a few. Then I have to try a few different formations in a few test games, which could take up to an hour, or more if I don't get it right first time, then I have to tweak it until it is near perfect before I post it, which could take even more time, then I'll have to test it against my mates, then I'll have to make the image in photoshop which takes about half an hour to get it right, then there's the fact that I only get chance to use my own PC (for photoshop etc) maybe once a week for a little bit at a time. I'm not at home much these days, and I work every day. By the time I get in from work and get my tea and spend a bit of time with wor lass it's nearly 9pm, I need to be in bed before midnight if I am getting up next day, take some time out for sex, and general stuff and you can see why time is a precious commodity to me.
If you are willing to pay me (which I doubt), I'll do it full time, but I just have so much to do on a daily basis I can't justify sitting playing games just so I can try to help people get better at the game I love so much, for absolutely no reward (apart from knowing people have benefited from my help). Especially when I need to get my own practise in. I was hoping that I'd put enough info in here that you could use it to help yourself.
I want to help you all but I just don't have the means or the time.

 

[ayzee]

Ayzee, that's proper mint mate.

It's fine that you used my templatem I encourage it.

OK, here's what I would do personally to your set up, although it is good already.

I'd bring the full backs a bit closer to the centre and quite a bit further forward with arrows forward and towards the wings (like you have).

I'd swap Ze Roberto for Adriano and change him to CF, maybe tuck him a bit closer to the corner of the box, he can cut in on his left. Attack arrow inwards to the goal.

I'd put Ronaldinho in OMF near to where he is, as far forward as OMF will let you. Attack arrow inwards to the goal.

If you feel risky you could change the DMF to a CMF and he will help attack more, as you have a wealth of defenders to cover for him. Don't apply an attack arrow and he won't stray too much. Still, if you leave him DMF or change to CMF, move him to the edge of the centre circle anyway, and have him a little more central. Either that or make sure the SB will cover for the side he isn't on.

That's about it mate. I don't want to criticise your work cos it is sound. But personally I wouldn't play more than 4 at the back, although I play a very attacking style and it sounds like your mates might be a bit tasty, so there must be a reason you need 5. It seems quite defensive, but I know you can attack with defensive formations, so if it works, the quality. Hope my tips don't screw it up.

If you want more attacking though, play 3-5-2, or 3-4-3.

The aggressor will always emerge victorious.

Thanks for your comments JMZ

Ill try out your changes when i get home tonight

I play 5 at the back in the proper tournaments. From my experience when playing at this level the difference between playing 4 or 5 at the back is staggering.
When 2 good players are sloggin it out the games are really close. When you have 4 at the back all it takes is one slip up in defence and it can cost you the game.

The reason why I use Ze Roberto there is because this is my B formation. My default formation is a 4-4-2 so i dont start with 3 forwards.
JMZ Im liking your tip on what to do with Ze Roberto because that is exactly how i like to play him. His good dribbling skills and wicked left foot make him lethal on the right edge of the box.

To be honest I dont find attacking a problem with this formation. And it doesnt feel too defensive. Most of the time it doesnt feel like i have 5 at the back.

I tried this formation out for the first time at the National League on Saturday. I won 4 lost 1. I beat this a guy 10-1. He was using portugal and was an average player but it showed me that there is no problem scoring goals with this formation.


Thanks JMZ ill try out these ideas and tell you how it goes