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observer

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PeleProdigy9,
It is totally different league in WE8. If I have to go back and play WE8, I would start with 4 3 3 formation, with 2 OMFs. Please go have a look at previous pages in this thread where I have posted one of my formations. The point is I feel I was getting really good in WE8, and I can defend with less players. Thatswhy, I started using 4 3 3 A with no regrets. I had 4 at the back (4 CB) aligned in diamond shape and everything was under control at the back.
I always used to play against human opponents, and I think you always need more players at front to score against human. Human can predict better your next pass, and don't run forward with defenders exposing their backline like the CPU would foolishly do sometimes. Thatswhy, I don't think I would feel comfortable with 4-5-1 formation against my mates.
Of course, there is no perfect formation (after all this what this thread is all about ). But after seeing and playing with many human opponents, I think 4-4-2 (diamond or regular) and 4-3-3 (A or B) are most suitable formations in WE8. At least start with one of these, and play around with it, or have a back up plan to switch to during the game. I know in reality most teams have only one CF, but I guess it is different in WE8 or even WE9.
Thats my humble opinion, you might find my experience irrelevant to you ofcourse.
 
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PeleProdigy9

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4-3-3---diamond Defense???

Thanks man----you've been very helpful. Just one final question...you said you have your 4 in the back lined up in a diamond formation??? How does that look----?? How is it effective? And do you also use a DMF to support these 4 CB's???

Ex. ---Rio---

---Neville--- ---Heinze---

---Silvestre---
 
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observer

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The way I have it is as follows:
------Gk-------
------Sw------
-Cb---------CB
------CB------
The four CBs have high defense arrows, awareness arrows to the back as well. They rarely participate in offense or even cross the mod feild. The sweeper is a key here. having a fast and strong sweeper here is essential (ex. Rickard, Baresi or Nesta). The Center back in the top of the diamond serves as an early defense line, simlar to a DMF but more focused on the defense. The two on the sides should cover the sides.

Then I have one CMF with 2 defensive arrows, down-left and down-right. The CMF serves like a good DMF, but I find he acts more freely in the feild than DMF, and sometimes participate in offense. Ofcourse, you need a good player here (usually I have Davids or Veira or Krol or Gerrard). Alternatively, try also a DMF.

I am assuming you are comfortable in defense, and know how to defend easy, apply pressure on opponent and expect his next move (use square to narrow down free space on the opponest and apply team pressure).

With this plan you have 5 players in the front, 2 OMFs, and 2 WFs, and 1 CF. They should be all over the place, allowing you to score easier.

Enjoy it till you lay your hands on WE9 :D
 
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dyfswillz

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formation

Just wanted to know if this was the formation you used in WE9 and if so what kind ond arrows/defence settings do you give your other players, also just to ask what settings do you use in the team settings?
 
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observer

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I used 4-3-3 formation in WE9, but not exactly the one above. To be quite honest, I didn't feel it is as effective as it used to be in WE8. But bare in mind, I was still struggiling a lot with the new look and feel of WE9. I came a long way in the game play in WE9, but I am still focusing on learning the new moves, before I refine my current formation.

I think WE9 can have a lot of creative formations. The impression I have so far is that you don't need many players in the front to score. Actually, the real battle is in the mid feild. When I play against good teams, I noticed my forwards are man marked. I found out the most if not all teams in the master league have only 1 player in the front or a max of 2 (CF and/or WF). I have also experimented playing with almost all national teams to try out their default formations (Chile, Cameron, Japan, Senegal, Greece, classic teams, etc)

As I said before, I currently use 4-3-3: 2 CB, 2 SB, 3 CMF, and 2 WF, 1 CF. In my formation A (attacking formation), I have the 2 CMF switch to OMF, and 1 WF switch to a CF. So far I feel good about this formation and I score a lot. Actually I am in end of season 2 in the master league and I win all my matchs (except one draw with Barcelona :))

Team settings for my formation in WE8: A-B-B-B
I use the same in WE9, and some matches where I feel I am so exposed in the back and the opponent team has good forwards I switch to B-A-A-A. In the later case, I use aggressive man mark to have one of my CB man mark the CF, and the second CB will have "Covering" instead of zone defense.


Cheers,
 
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PeleProdigy9

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Defensive Arrows for your Diamond 4 CB's in (WE8)

Hi Observer. Well I've started experimenting some more with that 4 CB diamond formation and found it worked really well when I used Arsenal vs the computer and will have to test it vs my friend this weekend. Couple of questions. (1) How far back do you position the Sweeper---how many steps would you say in front of the GK he should be when I edit his position. and..
(2) The DMF; how close should he be to the CB at the top of the diamond? Positionally should this sole DMF be straight ahead of the CB at the top of the diamond or off to one side???

And Lastly(3) Defensive arrow...How much of a factor are the in WE8? Especially with CB's.

Thanks again.
 
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observer

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I am glad the 4 CBs works for you. Personaly, it worked with me. You have 4 players supported by a fifth always dedicated to defense and 5 players in the attack. It is a good balance.

Try to position the sweeper on the end of the penality area. Just a little bit closer to the goalie than in the default formation, but in the center (not too close to step inside the penality area). the left and right CB, I used to position them on the edge of penality area, a step forward. ( I am sorry I have to load the WE8 CD to figure out how many steps exactly and its too late now )

One step after that comes the third CB.

I used to play with a CMF with back arrows placed just on the midfeild vertical line. I found the CMF is better than DMF, as he pushes presses more to the front. See what works with you. Either cases DMF or CMF, the distance between the CMF player and the fourth CB would be almost the same as the distance between CB3 and SW. Maybe I can draw it better.

-----------GK-------------
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-----------SW------------
-CB1-----------------CB2-
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-----------CB3------------
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-----------CMF----------- (Mid feild)
--------------------------
------------------OMF----
--------------------------
---------OMF-------------
---LWF-------------RWF--
----------CF-------------

I give backward defensive arrows to all CBs and high defense.
CMF arrows to back-left and back-right, and high defense.
OMFs size to front/left and front/right and meduim defense.
WFs and CFs low defense and arrows to front (as far as I remember)

I hope I am not repeating myself :)

Good night
 
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PeleProdigy9

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4 CB's Diamond formation...

Thanks Observer...I tested this formation out on my pal yesterday and won 4 games in a row!!! One last thing, I used these settings A, B, B, B---what about you?
Should my back line be on A(to press forwards or) C to stay back deep in your opinoin???

Thanks again.
 
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observer

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I am glad it worked with you, cause this formation was a "goal waiting to happen" for me in WE8 :D

Usually, I use A,B,B,B with this formation. Sometimes, you may need to adapt to your opponent's formation without loosing the essence of yours. I remember I had to switch to B,A,A,A when I was playing with one of my pals, and he had 3 fast forwards on the front. But thats it, I would not ever switch my backline into C with this formation, as you always need to constantly push your opponent's forward more into the midfeild.

Do you use back up formations like formation A & formation B?

As this formation is so attacking, I think you should. To be quite honest, I rarely used to switch to other back up formations with this one. However, sometimes, your team can't not perform well, or your opponent is in all attack mode. So, I used to have another formation A (defensive) as 4*2*1*3 and my formation B (strong midfeild) as 4*1*3*2.

Hopefully, I can reach a similar killing formation in WE9. I have been experimenting a lot these days ;)

PS. I like your nick. Pele is, by far, my favorite player in WE8 and he is even more vicious in WE9. In this formation, I used to have him as the first OMF, and, man, he rules the mid-feild and scores almost every game.
 
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PeleProdigy9

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Diamond Defense!!!

Yes. I often have back up formations. For a highly defensive mindset I have the option of switching to a 5-2-3 however, you are correct in that with this diamond 4 CB defense, I have not switched to any other formation---its tempo is very dynamic and keeps the pressure on my opponent. Yet again, (now 2-days in a row) I have met with gret success in defeating my pal. I won 6-2 using pacey Arsenal vs his Juventes (4-1-2-3). Thanks again.

In regards to WE9 and stars such as Pele---is Robinho on Real Madrids roster? If so how are his stats?
 
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observer

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Forgot to tell ya, there is a way to beat this formation. But don't worry I won't tell your friend about it :)

I checked Robinho stats in WE9. He is good but not superb. But I think he is young, and when you buy him in master league, he has time to excel. In the version I have here, he is NOT in Real Madrid. He is in a Brazilian club, Cantos I think.

Cheers
 
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PeleProdigy9

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WE9--Online???

Oh. because I've seen alot of reports and media on Robinho and he is truly fantastic. Much quicker and skillful then Michael Owen IMO and I know Michael's just moved to Newcastle and wondered if the game will reflect that change once it hits the states?

But my real pressing question is if you're now able to play WE9 online and with multiple players? Mainly want to know if me and my pal will be able to play from the same PS2 at my house versus other online pairs?
 
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F-Zoid

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PeleProdigy9 said:
Oh. because I've seen alot of reports and media on Robinho and he is truly fantastic. Much quicker and skillful then Michael Owen IMO and I know Michael's just moved to Newcastle and wondered if the game will reflect that change once it hits the states?

But my real pressing question is if you're now able to play WE9 online and with multiple players? Mainly want to know if me and my pal will be able to play from the same PS2 at my house versus other online pairs?
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Can't see in which country you are, but in PES5 you will be able to play with your pal online. You can play 2 vs 1 or 2 vs 2. (The 2 players are playing on the same playstation) I've done this with a m8 while testing PES5.

PS: PES5 played a lot better than WE9, although I like both.
 
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PeleProdigy9

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Counter the 4 CB diamond Defense in (WE8i)

observer said:
Forgot to tell ya, there is a way to beat this formation. But don't worry I won't tell your friend about it :)

Hi again Observer. So what is this formation?
and also, when you'd switch to the 4-2-1-3 to be more defensive, did you maintain the 4 CB's in their diamond formation and if so how did you position the 2 DMF's (where they both DMF's, CMF's or was one a DMF and 1 a CMF?)

Thanks.
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observer

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When I switch to 4213, I used to stick to the basic and standard formation. As I make an emphasis on defense by back arrows/awareness/high defense arrows, there is no need to resort to the diamond CBs. But again, this is supposed to be a defense formation which I should change to in last minutes to secure a victory. As you said, you would rarely need to do that as the diamond formation is almost as good in defense.

hmm, now I get to the harder question :)
I think any diamond midfeild formation will really challenge this one. Of course, it all boils down to how much you are playin better than your friend. I think 4123 with 4 diamond CBs is a good formation especially in defense and offense. The main weakness, if any, is in the mid feild. This is where a diamind 422 ( 4CB, 1 DMF, 1 RMF, 1LMF, 1OMF, 2 CF) will really challenge it. Please notice here that the 422 formation has 4 diamond CBs as well.

My 2 cents :)
 
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PeleProdigy9

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Diamond defense...

Thanks Observer. Your tactics have been very helpful for me. But how are they working out in WE9???? WE9 won't be available in USA until FEB 06 but any advice you have is most appreciated. I read a review that said some people may be discouraged by the passing and scoring vs. the goalie in 1 on 1 situations...have you found problems with these issues in the new game or overall has it been an improvement to the gameplay? And lastly can you play online? 2 vs 2? 1 vs 1?
 
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observer

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I LOVE WE9. It takes a while to pick up and grows into you, but the end experience is very entertaining and rather challenging. Of course, it has some problems in passing, L1 button moves and players' response, etc. They won't appear all the times, sometimes those problems appear especially when your players are tired, or the AI wants to cheat a bit on you :)

The game play is better than WE8, IMO.

1. You have more moves, which gives you a room for creativity. It is less scripted than We8 in a sense of you wouldn't be scoring consistently from same situations. Talented players are really rewarded in this version, and can do miracles. No more you would rely only on speed to move with the ball.

2. Players move more freely in the pitch. I oftenly get surprised when I find my RSB participating in the offense side by side with the CF. Of course, you can control that, and it doesn't happen always. Howeve,It gives better teamplay and teamwork. For the same reason, I noticed it is better not to use too many offensive arrows in WE9, so you won't disturb this teamwork.

3. It is more difficult to score, but you can score goals that really look good. I like that. I was kinna of sick from some scripted goals I used to score in We8.

4. The online play is there, but don't know much about it. However, I am almost sure that it won't be possible for players outside of japan maybe (like us) to play online. Maybe you still need to connect to a server in japan. hopefully, someone else would confirm that.

5. I still use Advanced Formations. My current is 433: 2 Cb, 2 SB, 2 CMF, 1 OMF, 2 WG, 1 CF. Same philosophy, No DMF :)

I swtiched to 442, as one of WGs serves as an OMF, and the other WG pushes forward as a second Cf. So far it worked brilliantly good, and I score an average of 3 goals per match. Just yesterday, it was my first to win 7/0, and it was interesting to see Pele scores 5 goals :)

Too bad you won't have it before Feb. This seems as incredibly long time from now!
 
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observer

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Yaa,
I am interested to watch Robbinho today in Real Madrid. I bought him in my master league, and he is phenomenal. Mini-Me of Pele.

As they start sayin now, If Pele is the king, Robbinho is the prince :)
 
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