ARSHAVIN rediculously overrated!!!!

[st. louis]

PorkChopperson,
I don't know if Konami has mislabeled Condition this year or what but there is a very clear correlation between players having a high Condition stat and being on Red form arrow. As an example, buy Petrobenov who has a 2 or 3 Condition and see how often he is on a Blue or Purple Form arrow. Do the same with Arshavin and notice how often he is on Red.

I agree with you that Consistency used to be the stat that would cover the Form arrows but it has been gone for a while and it seems pretty clear that it has been incorporated into the 2011 Condition stat. I personally wish they would separate the two stats.

It can be seen very easily if you create a BAL player with an 8 Condition. He will be on Red form about 75% of the time. Go and create another with a 4 Condition and notice how varied his Form will be over the course of a season.

 

[Sminky]

Point being there aren't many players in the world who deserve an 8 for form and Arshavin is not even close to the list of possible candidates!! A good candidate would be someone like Giggs at Man U or for the older players like Raul for Real or Maldini for Milan, those types are consistent legends at their respective clubs who've never given anything except 100%

The other things which make him so obscene is his uber high mentality and aggression which are also both not realistic (and his strength is to high), skills wise hes very talented, but agression wise and mentality he lacks in both areas, arguable its those plus his form which prevent him being a world class Messi/Ronaldo type player... apparently the Konami devs are Arsenal fans lol

Spot on, 8 condition should be for players who consistently perform, but it should be regardless of their ability. Ian Holloway said of his time as a footballer that although he wasn't the best by a million miles he always put a shift in for his team (especially for the Superhoops). In my eyes he'd be a 7 or an 8 if he was a (QPR) classic player. Anyhow, I'm going off track slightly but the condition stat should be binned for

Form, Big match mentality and Physical condition.

All fairly self explanatory, form is carried from one game to the next rather than being fixed. Even top players have a dip in form. This would be a great addition for the ML - although it would be dependent on how Konami would programme it. Big Match Mentality is obvious, how does a player responds to the level of opposition. Physical condition, e.g Ledley King, he can't play more than a game a week due to physical frailities, whereas someone like Frank Lampard - prior to injury granted - was regularly playing 60 game seasons each year.

(Dusting hands off) There you go Konami, all sorted for you!

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Spot on, 8 condition should be for players who consistently perform, but it should be regardless of their ability. Ian Holloway said of his time as a footballer that although he wasn't the best by a million miles he always put a shift in for his team (especially for the Superhoops). In my eyes he'd be a 7 or an 8 if he was a (QPR) classic player. Anyhow, I'm going off track slightly but the condition stat should be binned for

Form, Big match mentality and Physical condition.

All fairly self explanatory, form is carried from one game to the next rather than being fixed. Even top players have a dip in form. This would be a great addition for the ML - although it would be dependent on how Konami would programme it. Big Match Mentality is obvious, how does a player responds to the level of opposition. Physical condition, e.g Ledley King, he can't play more than a game a week due to physical frailities, whereas someone like Frank Lampard - prior to injury granted - was regularly playing 60 game seasons each year.

(Dusting hands off) There you go Konami, all sorted for you!

Sounds good to me. I think Arshavin's "condition stat" is meant to reflect the fact that he played a lot of games last year. End of. The problem is, like you said, more to do with the stats they use, not anything to do with them being Arsenal fans IMO. I've been a Gooner and a Pes fan for a long time, and in my experience I would say that Konami definitely have a tendency to under-rate Arsenal players stats, not over-rate them.

 

[lyc10]

Wtf guys,, its not consistency, that 8 is conditioning..Gerrard and Drogba have 4 in it, because they miss games every season..Gerrard is easily injured too..This comes from a chelsea fan who doesnt mind if Drogba get better conditioning..lol

Then give them a c for injury, not a 4 in condition

 

[Cristiano92]

I gave Arshavin STats from PSD and he's not that fast anymore.

 

[Sminky]

Then give them a c for injury, not a 4 in condition

Yes but injury proneness affects the likelihood of being injured and amount of games missed. Players like Gerrard and Drogba tend to pick up niggling injuries but are still able to play games with varying performances.

That isn't an option within PES, its either injured during a match - though you're able to continue to play on as if no injury is present, odd - or injured and out for weeks at a time.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

From the PES 6 Official guide (Piggyback Interactive):

"Condition: How prone a player is to accumulate fatigue after matches. This is especially relevant in master league campaigns, and should be an attribute you check with all prospective signings."

Nothing about arrows, form, etc.

I'm not saying that condition doesn't affect any of those things, but if you go by the official guide's interpretation of what condition is meant to reflect, then Arshavin surely does deserve a 7, or at least a 6, based on the number of consecutive games he played for Arsenal last year without seeming tired. I think that explains it, but the fact that it also affects arrows/form is the real problem.

 

[Sabatasso]

From the PES 6 Official guide

Condition definitely affect the form arrows. I tried by setting every single player in my OF to 8, and there are red arrers across the board here now.

I might add that I think these arrows are a major concern to the game, green arrow (normal) should be their top form, and the players actual abilities showing their top form, and a blue and purple arrow to indicate when they are not in form. The two lowered form arrows should have a minor impact on physical and technical skills, or perhaps add and index card temporarily to the player called "unlucky" or something.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Condition definitely affect the form arrows. I tried by setting every single player in my OF to 8, and there are red arrers across the board here now.

I might add that I think these arrows are a major concern to the game, green arrow (normal) should be their top form, and the players actual abilities showing their top form, and a blue and purple arrow to indicate when they are not in form. The two lowered form arrows should have a minor impact on physical and technical skills, or perhaps add and index card temporarily to the player called "unlucky" or something.

I agree. I'm just trying to provide some idea as to why the stat for Arshavin was chosen as such.

 

[Sminky]

I agree. I'm just trying to provide some idea as to why the stat for Arshavin was chosen as such.

He should get a 6 for condition but a 5 for consistency (if such a stat existed).

 

[eMerica]

lol read this as I got undone by an Arshavin whore in a D1 cup, he scored the only goal of the game.. a loafted shot that looked very unrealistic from his position, (not facing goal as he shot) Most over rated player by miles...

 

[st. louis]

Sminky,
I would love to see your idea about Form, Big Match Mentality, and Physical Condition implemented. BMM would be one of the great additions as certain players who slaughter lesser teams fail to do anything against top notch teams or on big occasions. Excellent idea.

 

[Sminky]

Sminky,
I would love to see your idea about Form, Big Match Mentality, and Physical Condition implemented. BMM would be one of the great additions as certain players who slaughter lesser teams fail to do anything against top notch teams or on big occasions. Excellent idea.

Cheers chap, you're right a stat like that would see say for example Jermain Defoe score a shed load of goals against weaker opposition but be off the boil against say a Man Utd or a Chelsea.

 

[alx-9]

Hundreds of REALLY OVER RATED players at so called "big" clubs in PES and people suddenly go nuts opening a whole new thread when ONE ARSENAL player has been given a REASONABLE status after PES 6 reign.
FFS, you guys are unbelievable.

Its not the stats that are the problem, just his form. By giving him and 8 he is way too overpowered and overused in Master League Online for example.

It's like saying Robben should have a injury stat A. There's loads of dubious stats by Arshavin's form is the tip of the iceberg, that is whats truly unbelievable.

 

[Montanaro]

Let's take Arsenal Vs Man U the other night as an example.

Completely off form. Green arrow at best.

Or when they played Partizan? He was hardly playing up to snuff.

 

[lyc10]

well you need to rmb that the stats are based on last year

 

[bestpesever]

messi arshavin ronaldinho same scary animations players with same bad dribbling animations.
4 dribbling animations 100 for celebrations.funny how people saying i want celebration system like in fifa

 

[bestpesever]

messi arshavin ronaldinho same scary animations players with same bad dribbling animations.
4 dribbling animations 100 for celebrations.funny how people saying i want celebration system like in fifa

oh i forgot to say they dont have tackling system but they got celebration system..more gameplay in calebrations then in game
i know,im not mad and not my problem but its funny

 

[Stormrider]

Bringing back the consistency rating would solve this problem. I'd like to find out which numbnut at Konami believed that it was a good idea to remove that perfectly fine stat. That dumbass is probably the same idiot who's responsible for removing all the other good features for no fuckin reason lol.

Perfect example of how well the stat worked was Alvaro Recoba. Fantastic player with amazing stats but only 2 for consistency which meant he wasn't overpowered at all because you never knew if you were getting the good player or the crap one by fielding him.

 

[Montanaro]

Bringing back the consistency rating would solve this problem. I'd like to find out which numbnut at Konami believed that it was a good idea to remove that perfectly fine stat. That dumbass is probably the same idiot who's responsible for removing all the other good features for no fuckin reason lol.

Perfect example of how well the stat worked was Alvaro Recoba. Fantastic player with amazing stats but only 2 for consistency which meant he wasn't overpowered at all because you never knew if you were getting the good player or the crap one by fielding him.

which would make people whine about signing a good player that doesn't do shit. Even though that's how it works in real life