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Barca/Real, What is the problem?

Pokervriend

Registered User
I like to play Barca, Real Madrid, Milan, ManC, Bayern, River Plate and the Netherlands. I usually pick my team after my opponent has chosen one. If he picks a big team, I pick Barca/Real/ManC. If he picks a good team, but not a giant, I pick Bayern. If he picks a country, I take the Netherlands and so on. Last few times, people who pick Inter/ManU/Milan or another huge team, tells me not to pick Real. Why is that? Why do they find it unfair to play Milan vs Real? In my opinion, Barca is the best team you can pick. Right behind are the giant teams as Milan, Inter, Real etc. To be honest, I find Milan the best team after Barca. You can feed the striker crosses with Robinho, Pato or Emanuelson and Ibrahimovic scores making a header every match. Anyway, why do people complain about Real, while it it no better than Milan, Inter or ManU, Chelsea and more? Isn't that a bit hypocritical if you yourself play with Milan ?
 

IronCity

Banned
The strength of the teams is only one side of the complaint; the other side is that online players, such as myself, get a little tired of facing Barca and Real in every online match. Prior to joining a community for PES2012 I played 7 out of 7 online matches against Barca. In 2011 I played about 97% of online matches against Barca. I always pick a top team to combat this because I am not that good of player and need the firepower to retaliate (and fail) but I pick a different one and it would be nice to play against a few other teams. I don't believe it is the Milan, Man U, or Chelsea players that are complaining by the way. What's wrong with an Everton - Ajax match once in a while.

If they were all diehard barca bleeding fans then I could see the choice being repeated over and over but not sure that is the case.
 

Pokervriend

Registered User
I agree with you there, Everton-Ajax or something like that is great to play, though I prefer semi-topteams like Spurs, Napoli, Bayern. Anyway, like I said, I always pick a team after my opponent has chosen one. Then I pick a team that is on the same level as his one. So if he pick Lyon or so, I will take River Plate. I just do not understand people who say "No Real/Barca", after they picked AC Milan.
 

IronCity

Banned
I was thinking people would be picking AC Milan after they watch the scroll go directly to La Liga (you always know what happens next); in other words, I don't feel the complaints are coming from people who pick AC Milan first. I would love to have witnessed someone go directly to AC Milan.

Chelsea is one of those deadly teams I am surprised people don't pick more. Drogba and Torres in a 4-3-3 is a lot to handle on the back line.

I guess one thing I often overlook is that Barca is one of those teams completely licesnsed and a lot of people may not be playing with edited OFs so I could see why they don't pick a small EPL club.
 

DIECI

Registered User
I agree, Milan is 2nd best after Barca, they're more annoying to play against than Real because they have very fast players on the wings and a strong guy upfront.
 

Pokervriend

Registered User
I was thinking people would be picking AC Milan after they watch the scroll go directly to La Liga (you always know what happens next); in other words, I don't feel the complaints are coming from people who pick AC Milan first. I would love to have witnessed someone go directly to AC Milan..

Well, like I said, I never start scrolling to a team before my opponent picks a team. Only after he made a choice, I will pick a team, equal quality to his one. They usually pick Barca, Real, Milan or Inter. Rarely a player chooses a -not 5 star- team. If you pick a 5 star team, who are you then to complain if I pick Real?

I think -like u said- people dont pick clubs that are not licensed fully. That's probably why Chelsea is not picked to much (or is that licensed? I dont know because I have an OF installed)

What I find much stranger is that when I pick the Netherlands, 9/10 times the other player chooses Argentina or Spain. Then I look at their profile and see they are from Italy or England. :erm:
 

¢Ħλ®₤ỉξ-[14]

Registered User
Well, like I said, I never start scrolling to a team before my opponent picks a team. Only after he made a choice, I will pick a team, equal quality to his one. They usually pick Barca, Real, Milan or Inter. Rarely a player chooses a -not 5 star- team. If you pick a 5 star team, who are you then to complain if I pick Real?

I think -like u said- people dont pick clubs that are not licensed fully. That's probably why Chelsea is not picked to much (or is that licensed? I dont know because I have an OF installed)

What I find much stranger is that when I pick the Netherlands, 9/10 times the other player chooses Argentina or Spain. Then I look at their profile and see they are from Italy or England. :erm:
I dont played yet pes 2012 online, but I played more than 1000 online games in pes 2011. I do something like u do. I choose the team after my rival, and If he plays with a good team I chose a good time for my play according to the other team. But for example I remember I play a good number of river vs boca (10 times, its a little but for that teams its a lot). Of course sometimes I put random team, a lot of wins, some losses. I win once with levante (random choise) 5-3 against arsenal with a good player (between 640-650 first division), and he only playing with arshavin or walcott.
The other thing I do is a fast pick with bahrain (yeah I dont know nothing of the team), and see what the other do. And most of the times they pick a good team/ national team. No one use a bad team, or something normal.
For me the problem with the guys that only choose Barca/RMadrid (I choose it sometimes but I play real football not run like Usain Bolt all the game) is not that they use that big teams, the problem is that they only use Messi or CRonaldo and they have a full squad for play. Its a joke when that player get a red card or get injury, they real cant do nothing.
 

IronCity

Banned
.............What I find much stranger is that when I pick the Netherlands, 9/10 times the other player chooses Argentina or Spain. Then I look at their profile and see they are from Italy or England. :erm:

well Netherlands were the WC runner up.
 

Pokervriend

Registered User
well Netherlands were the WC runner up.

Yeah, but Konami did not reward that achievement with big stats for the Dutch players. I just dont understand why you would play with Spain if you are from England. Or am I the only one so patriotic, that I prefer to play with my own country:D
 

IronCity

Banned
I would have to give you the patriot award because I am from the U.S. and like playing as Mexico, in particular, to run circles around the U.S. National team. :naughty: But I like taxing billionaires which suddenly in this country has become anti-american to the conservative republicans so whats the difference. I also like playing that Dutch team

but aside from national teams, the odd thing to me are master league players who support a team, lets say Man U, and buy Messi. Or for that matter play with any mixed squad other than the actual club roster.
 

merazul

Registered User
I got so sick of facing the same big team in PES 2011 that I refuse to pick any of them.

In PES 2012 I usually pick Swansea, Norwich, Rosenberg, Iran, Tunisia, etc. When facing a decent rated player, I sometimes pick Stoke, Galatasaray, Benfica or the likes. It’s kind of sad to see someone picking Real Madrid when they can clearly see I have picked Swansea.

Admittedly, it does require a lot of effort playing with Swansea against top team, but getting a result is achievable. In PES 2011 I played the geeza at the top of the Mater League team value table (500 million+) and managed to get a respectable 3-3 draw with a team worth only 45 million.

At least 95% of players online play the same parasite football, which is use the 4-3-3 formation and utilize all the cheapest methods to score, usually resorting to the same couple of moves time and time again. However, sometimes you cannot do anything against a 35 yarder from Ronaldo or a lucky break for Messi. I guess a little luck helps out sometimes.

I know I’m missing out on playing with the likes of Messi, but I refuse to be a cheap conformist. Just don’t want to be part of a crappy trend.
 

Pokervriend

Registered User
I would have to give you the patriot award because I am from the U.S. and like playing as Mexico, in particular, to run circles around the U.S. National team. :naughty: But I like taxing billionaires which suddenly in this country has become anti-american to the conservative republicans so whats the difference. I also like playing that Dutch team

Off topic,
I just saw a documentary about a Jesus camp in the US. I was totally shocked to see how idiotic those people are. Just like the Tea Party. I just dont believe some Americans actually support that shit:huh:. Anyway, not your problem:D
 

IronCity

Banned
I'm just glad to see you wrote SOME Americans. Nothing worse then when the tea party views get extended to all of us.
 
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Pokervriend

Registered User
Dont worry, its clear to me just a small group of Americans like Tea party shit. I guess every country has such people, so off course I won't generalize, I know most Americans are great.

On topic
@ MERAZUL
I tried playing small teams too, but I always get slaughtered. Probably cause Im not a great player, but I'm really curious what formation you play?
 

zzidane

Registered User
There's nothing wrong with what you do, like you say if someone picks AC Milan, then they should expect to face a team like Barce or Real, and if they complain about that then they're just idiots. I don't see anything wrong in picking Barcelona anyway, they're the most famous team in the world and I even like to play as them maybe 1 in every 8 matches online. The only thing that I don't like is that yeah it seems like every other game your playing against Barcelona, and playing online can become boring and tedious. Some people just abuse Barcelona, play as them every single match, and I just dont understand these people because its so boring playing as the same team over and over again, its these people that get on my nerves as you know that theyre just being Barce to win and win and win, and don't really know what fooballs really about. Anyway as an Arsenal fan I will mainly play as Arsenal, but then again I always want to be different teams all the time online, and like you I wait for my opponent to pick and then I'll pick a team on a similar level. e.g. someone picked Olympiacos earlier, so I picked Newcastle United, I lost 1-0 but it was a very entertaining game, I find it such a treat when your able to play as lower level teams, but it is so hard and so rare as the top teams just get picked all the time.
 

CallumS

Registered User
I think most people play against barca or real 9 times out of 10 and to make it worse that person either passes or runs past our keeper with Messi/Ronaldo scoring cheap goals every time.
 

Spunkychicken8

Registered User
I completely agree with you. I always wait to see what my opponent picks and guess what straight to barca real or Milan. It's boring so naturally I have to pick one to combat them and quite frankly pes is getting boring online. As every match is barca real or Milan. I even try and go select weaker sides like beskitas etc but players still stay on barca real or Milan. I like to play with other sides out their and would love a decent game like everton v Ajax like mentioned.

Everyone that goes straight to barca real ac are very weak and sad desperate players who don't use the team to actually play the game but just rely on the speedsters.

Don't get me wrong I have played with the teams mentioned but I also like using the other teams on the game there is 100s to chose so why always barca etc? Why can't players be fair? I've lost loads of points as I select say Newcastle and then my opponent picks barca and just uses messi.

The game online is getting very very very sad.

Why don't we create a community on fair selection? We all seem to agree on this thread
 

merazul

Registered User
Dont worry, its clear to me just a small group of Americans like Tea party shit. I guess every country has such people, so off course I won't generalize, I know most Americans are great.

On topic
@ MERAZUL
I tried playing small teams too, but I always get slaughtered. Probably cause Im not a great player, but I'm really curious what formation you play?


Pokervriend,

Well, for me there are two schools of thought here. If I’m serious and want to play proper football I use method 1 (90% of the time), but when I feel like annoying a big team player, I employ the latter (10% of the time).

1) Since your players are far inferior in terms of pace and strength, you can’t play like they do, i.e. play ping-pong football - where fast players are a prerequisite - as this will play into their hands. Also, due to the disparity in stats, the best form of defence is possession football. In real life, Barcelona has a good defensive record because they have about 70% possession of the ball in a game. If the other team has only 30%, they have only a 3 in 10 (or 27 minutes) chance of scoring.

Since your players are slower in terms of pace and reaction, you have to understand how the other guy plays, and try to anticipate his passes or moves. For example, use the square button (PS3) to chase the player on the ball whilst you manually cover the potential through ball. Or if Ronaldo is running at you, use square to get the AI to pressure him and manually cover that player in case Ronaldo skips past.

In terms of formation, I deploy all sorts. I guess it depends on your style of football. I tend to use 4-5-1 or 4-4-2, as this gives me greater depth in midfield.

2) This method is not dependent on possession, but on having as many players behind the ball as possible and making the most of the counter attacks. I use it as more of a jovial thing and to give the other player a taste of a rather bitter pill. I don't use it often as it is not the sort of football I like.

For this method pick a physically strong team with decently tall players, for example, Stoke or Bolton. Even teams like Swansea can effective. Use a 5-4-1 formation, with the 5 at back being central defenders (CB), 2 DM and 2 wide midfielders and a lone striker. The basic principal is to stifle the other player and dismantle them on the counter attack. With 5 CB and 4 midfielders, it’s really easy to defend against most players as they play predictable football. You may want to try different variations of the formation as sometimes I find 2 CMs to be more effective than 2 DMs.

The chances of winning with the method are much greater, and if played properly, it can be devastating. I have thrashed Real Madrid and Barcelona many times with approach. The best bit is when the match ends and they accuse me of not playing the game properly. Talk about hypocrisy!
 
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Pokervriend

Registered User
Sounds good, especially your second method! Is it a must to play with a fast CF, for counter attacks?
When I play a game with a 5 star team against Barca or so, I have no problem winning my matches. But I would love to destroy them with much weaker team. Till now, I haven't had a good tactic to beat them, I always play 451, with a CM, a DM, two wide wingers and an AM, close to the CF. This tactic is useless against a good player when I have a medium team. Do you play with the 'counter attack' tactic on, or do you play with a manual set up?
 

merazul

Registered User
You could either set the attack style to wide and have 2 wide mids to send in crosses or cut in and play some triangles with other players, or set 2 amf behind the 1 striker and player through the middle. However, not having wide mids means the opponent can come onto your backline quickly as the wide spaces will be left open. It depends how comfortable you feel.

Fast players do help but not essential. Try a few games online.

In the first couple of games I tried this tactic, I lost easily. But after tweaking a little here and there to suit my style and make the tactic more effective, I started getting results regularly.
 
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