Classic Team Updates

[d9rat]

I have him at 191 CM's.
It's what I found on the net.
But you are probably right so I lowered his jump down to 89 and his defence down to 96.
His header stat though I really just did basing it on differences between him and Maldini from a game in '98.

I'm not sure why Konami decided to have teh stats lower.
Was it because players are actually physically better now than they were 20 years ago?

 

[stevieboy]

I think the stats are lower in general for classic players in comparison because the training & the game itself has changed & is more intense & faster.
Anyway, here's my version of Des Walker, the face is very good, IMO. It's a shame you can't get the correct skin shade for him; somewhere between skin colour 3 & 4:

Des Walker:
Pos = CBT*/SB
Age = 24
Foot = R
W F A = 4
Skin Colour = 3
Face = BF
BF:
S C = 3
E/B = 1
A of B = +3
B Ht = +3
P of E = 0
A of E = 0
S of E = +1
Cheeks = B
Nose = C
H of N = 0
W of N = +1
Chin = A
Mouth = A
T of L = +1
S of M = -1
P of M = 0
Jaw = +1
L of C = 0
Face L = 4
Face W = 4
E C 1 = 2
E C 2 = Brn 1
Harstl = 87
Hr Col = 8
F Hair = 1
F H C = 9
...
Ht = 180
Wt = 73
Phy = 3
***
Att = 50
Def = 88
Bal = 82
Sta = 79
T Sp = 81
Acc = 84
Res = 82
Agi = 81
D Acc = 71
D Spd = 66
S P A = 70
S P S = 67
L P A = 72
L P S = 64
S Acc = 61
S Pow = 65
S Tech = 62
F K A = 60
Curl = 57
Head = 74
Jump = 82
Tech = 69
Agg = 63
Men = 82
Cons = 7
G K S = 50
T W A = 77
Cond = 7
Marking*

 

[stevieboy]

And here's Arsenal legend Tommy Lawton. He wasn't the quickest, but he was a real power-house & great in the air.

Tommy Lawton:
Pos = CF
Age = 25
Foot = R
W F A = 6
Inj Tol = A
Skin Colour = 1
Face = 125
Face L = 6
Face W = 4
E C 1 = 1
E C 2 = Dk Grey 2
F Hair = No
...
Ht = 184
Wt = 82
Phy = 3
***
Att = 88
Def = 43
Bal = 92
Sta = 76
T Sp = 77
Acc = 82
Res = 87
Agi = 84
D Acc = 71
D Spd = 78
S P A = 68
S P S = 71
L P A = 73
L P S = 72
S Acc = 82
S Pow = 92
S Tech = 77
F K A = 70
Curl = 69
Head = 95
Jump = 89
Tech = 79
Agg = 85
Men = 75
Cons = 6
G K S = 50
T W A = 76
Cond = 7
Positioning*

 

[Jonny2J]

I'm going to try and make more edits to some England players.
I'm looking at Charlton, Robson, Finney, Hoddle, Matthews, Edwards, and Greaves.
Everything else here seems to be almost up to standard.

Although I am wondering Jonny2J is going to get around to posting young Maldini and Baggio.

shit man i forgot... ill do it l8er on for you no qualms

 

[Jonny2J]

Bobby Baggio

Att = 96
Def = 41
Bal = 90
Sta = 85
T Sp = 85
Acc = 84
Res = 88
Agi = 87
D Acc = 98
D Spd = 94
S P A = 91
S P S = 85
L P A = 94
L P S = 92
S Acc = 97
S Pow = 85
S Tech = 97
F K A = 99
Curl = 96
Head = 74
Jump = 68
Tech = 98
Agg = 81
Men = 79
Cons = 7
G K S = 50
T W A = 87
Cond = 5

*Drib
*Playmaker
*Pass
*BF
*PK (yes PK)
*1 v 1
*1 touch
*Striker

change his hair colour to 10, give him tape and his boots as..

Model 2
1
6
6
6
5

 

[Jonny2J]

Maldini

Att = 68
Def = 98
Bal = 90
Sta = 87
T Sp = 86
Acc = 88
Res = 93
Agi = 80
D Acc = 86
D Spd = 76
S P A = 86
S P S = 76
L P A = 85
L P S = 79
S Acc = 72
S Pow = 80
S Tech = 70
F K A = 75
Curl = 85
Head = 85
Jump = 86
Tech = 82
Agg = 63
Men = 96
Cons = 8
G K S = 50
T W A = 85
Cond = 8

*DL
*Man Markin

remember ive updated alot more classic players too, so these only compare with the others before ne one else has a pop

 

[d9rat]

Thanks boys for Des and Baggio, etc. I think we got the top Classic Teams thread going now.
Woot!

I just read a thread where someone was asking about Bergkamp's stats during his prime.
I can't believe I forgot to add him to Classic Netherlands!
Idiot!


I can do Bergkamp in his prime or close to it although I do have a history question here (Unrelated to Bergkamp):
Everything I've read about Duncan Edwards (Classic England) so far has said that he was always better than Bobby Charlton.
Thing is, Duncan Edwards died at 21 when Charlton was 20.
How much better did Charlton get from age 20 and did he ever surpass Edwards in terms of actual talent, not just potential.

I have all the other stats for England ready to be updated (save defenders who I think are basically fine after some additions like Pearce, Cohen, Adams and now Des Walker) but want to post all the stats at the same time.
So any help with Duncan Edwards would be helpful.
You guys got any ideas?

And Johnny2J, who esle do you have?
All other players fully appreciated here.

Oh,
and do you guys think Romario should be added to Classic Brazil cuz I have a hankering to get him in there.

 

[stevieboy]

Charlton & Edwards were totally different players; Charlton usually played in a central advanced MF position & occasionally further out toward the left wing. Edwards was famed for being able to play anywhere from centre back to striker, although was generally used as a holding MF player.
It's a bit unfair comparing Charlton & Edwards. Charlton acheived so much... Edwards so little, but with so much potential (according to anyone who saw him play).

His stats in PES3 are plenty good enough, I have his postions as CB/DMF*/CMF/OMF though, he hardly ever set-out as SMF, which if I recall, for some reason Konami put him as.

 

[Jonny2J]

And Johnny2J, who esle do you have?
All other players fully appreciated here.

ive done the likes of Cruyff, Rijkaard, Van Basten, Young Shearer, Gazza, Matthews, Lineker, Carlos Alberto, ive put Batistuta in classic Argies, Di Stefano update, Gerd Muller and loads more

the thing is with Duncan Edwards theres not hardly any footage for us to judge, ive asked my granda and he said he was the best 20 year old players hes ever saw bar Pele.... and Bobby Charlton did say hes the only player who ever made him feel inferior, and we all know sir Bob is the best player England's ever had

 

[Freestyle27]

Gianfranco Zola and Gianluca Pagliuca for Classic Italy, Appearance and Stats

 

[stevieboy]

Zola (in his prime):
CF*/OMF
Age = 28
Foot = R
WFA = 6
S F K = A
Ht = 168
Wt = 70

Att = 86
Def = 50
Bal = 74
Sta = 77
T Sp = 79
Acc = 86
Res = 78
Agi = 93
D Acc = 94
D Spd = 72
S P A = 92
S P S = 80
L P A = 86
L P S = 84
S Acc = 90
S Pow = 85
S Tech = 84
F K A = 91
Curl = 93
Head = 74
Jump = 77
Tech = 91
Agg = 71
Men = 76
Cons = 7
G K S = 50
T W A = 73
Cond = 6
Playmaking* Passing* Outside*
If you want a decent appearance for him, I'll post in here later.

 

[stevieboy]

Zola app:
S Colour = 1
Face = 108
Face L = 1
Face W = 4
E C 1 = 1
E C 2 = Brn 2
Hrstyle = 115
H Col = 12
Not bad, eh?

 

[Freestyle27]

Thanks alot mate

 

[Jonny2J]

Zola was great in his time but i still dont think he shud be in classic Italy

 

[d9rat]

Here's my go at a Classic Bergkamp.
improved stats only
age 28 (France '98)
inj. A
def. 47
sta 79
top s 78
acc 79
resp. 76
agi. 74
jump. 74
play stab 6

This is based off of a video game so all stats may be improved upon later.

 

[d9rat]

I've decided to repost the Classic England updates for players right here.
These are Joyo's statistics plus some of my own thrown in for good measure.
Let me know what you think.

Waddle
psition 1 wg
position 2 sh
face 11
hair color 10
hair style 21
offence 86
balance 78
acc 78
resp. 76
agi 72
dribble acc.:88
dribble speed :83
short pass acc.85
short pass speed :82
long pass accuracy :90
lg pass speed :87
shot acc.:87
shot power :84
shot tec.:88
tec.:91
agression 87
mentality 90
team work 86
Special abilities: passing, dribbling

Moore
defence 97
body balance 90
short pass accu 80
header 97
jump 86
tec 82

special abilities:
man marking
d-line control

hoddle

hair color 10
offence 82
balance 86
stamina 86
response 74
agility 83
dribble accuracy 85
dribble speed 78
sps 84
long pass acc.:94
lps 89
shot acc.:85
shot power 87
s-tec 85
mentality 91
play stab 7
team 86
condition sta 6
special abilities:
both foot feint, playmaking, passing, outside

Finney

position 2 cf
hair style 19
body b 88 (was well regarded for his "balletic balance")
speed 88
acce 89
shot acc 84
s-pow 82
s-tec 82

D.Dean

top speed 81

B.Robson

def 71 (always complimented his tackling skills)
short pass acc.87
sps 83
lg pass acc.: 86
shot acc 80
shot pow 80
s-tec 88
mentality 93
team work 91

Charlton (At his peak was one of the quickest players to get to a ball in the first ten yards, some would say quicker than Matthews, hence better acc, speed, and resp.)
bal 78
top sp. 79
acc. 83
resp. 91
special reaction

Matthews
sta 82 (was always very fit, played into his 50's I believe)
dri spe. 82
spe. reaction

Greaves (One of the best pure scorers in English soccer history, had "explosive pace" and would beat keepers with the accuracy of his shots. Few players have been as prolific a scorer as Greaves)
bal 96 (His balance was called "Perfect" on more than one occasion)
t. speed 90
acc. 87
res. 88
dri acc 88 (Was said to have "magnetic control")
dri spee. 80
shot acc 93
shot tech 86
mentality 85 (Was said that he possessed amazing intelligence)
play stab 8
cond 6
special: reaction, scoring, 1-1 scoring

 

[d9rat]

Well,
I did some research on Duncan Edwards.
The main players I found him compared to were Pele, Maradona, and Charlton.
All said he was worse then Pele and MAradona (though many said he had more potential than all of them) and every article said he was better than Charlton (though I'm giving Charlton credit on most skills that must be learned and for having better mentality and teamwork).
so here's my go at Edwards with reasons why.

Edwards
pos CB, DMF*, CMF, OMF, WF
weak foot 7 (First time I read about a player being "two-footed")
def 78 (let's be honest, the guy got raves for his defence and he's rated worse than Owen Hargreaves? Pff.)
sta 89 (Was said to possess limitless stamina)
dri acc 89
dri spe 87 (was said to possess superb ball control, worse than Pele and Maradonna but better than Charlton)
head 79
jump 82 (was rated between "strong in the air" and "fantastic aerial". Charlton was never given such accolades about his aerial play)
spa 82
sps 83 (was rated from a "fine passer" through "perfect passer" though I'll give Charlton the benefit on passing)
sh. acc 81
sh. tech 82 (was always well regarded for having an accurate and "fierce" or "powerful" shot)
tech. 89 (This is more in regards to his comparisons to Pele and Maradona than a comparison to Charlton. It's a rating less than what Rooney has even though Edwards has gotten much better reviews.)

speci. dri


Let me know what you guys think,
I will make changes based on advice.
Both for Edwards and the other England players.

 

[d9rat]

Oh, and before I forget.
Romario on Classic Brazil, yes or no?

Also, Desailly on Classic France?
What do you think.

 

[GoonerLover66]

Anybody got Hurst improvements. I mean, the only player to have ever scored a hat trick in a World Cup Final and he's even worse than some players from Iran! Anyone got any improvements for this lad?

 

[stevieboy]

Yeah, his stats are terrible!
I think that he's more powerful than they gave him credit for, & better in the air.
These are the Hurst stats I'd improve:
W F A = 6
Bal = 78
Res = 81
D Acc = 72
D Spd = 71
S Pow = 89
Head = 79
Jump = 81
Agg = 79
Reaction*