Lisbon67Seville03
Registered User
i reckon tath could be the x-box's turning point in football games, cuz the graphics are very nice fo PS2, so they should be breathtaking for x-box. should it be left out of PS2 and be x-box's PES?
Club Football.
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Kaffermike
Registered User
I dont understand why alot of you guys said it is a crapy game it not out yet you dont played it yet so you cant judge it.
We will see when it comes out but the american demo was great.
We will see when it comes out but the american demo was great.
Lisbon67Seville03
Registered User
i didnt say it was, but some folk might think tat they spent too much time/money on the grapphics and not enough on the gameplay, like a certain acronym-type game, coughcough-fifa-coughcough!
Kaffermike
Registered User
Yes i hear you but some folks still have to play it before judge it.
Lisbon67Seville03
Registered User
these are the people who are so loyal to PES that they will try and put people off of buying the new games and, instead, try and keep PES going and make it more popular world wide than FIFA. if you ask me, then the only way PES/Konami could do that is if they released special(but cheaper) games that coincide with tournaments, ie fifa world cup 2002, and the likes.
Zygalski
Administrator
I think PES and WE games are special due to the fact they aren't released every few months.
Maybe it would devalue the series if they did release special versions.
Just as a lot of people got sick of all the fifas, such as the
"brand new super charity shield edition!"
Would we like more than one a year? Maybe if they were cheaper.
And up to date stats as of the release date would be highly appreciated!
Maybe it would devalue the series if they did release special versions.
Just as a lot of people got sick of all the fifas, such as the
"brand new super charity shield edition!"
Would we like more than one a year? Maybe if they were cheaper.
And up to date stats as of the release date would be highly appreciated!
Lisbon67Seville03
Registered User
i mean popularity as in a lot are purchased. the fifa series is one that was a goldmine for EA, until PES and TIF came along that is, and the release of the special collectors editions made even more money. so im not saying it wont devalue the series, personally, i think they'd be sell-outs, but it would make them more money.
chewynotcrunchy
Registered User
Still not sure what the advantage of having the game in a single club edition. E.G. What if your brother likes a different team to you? Interesting concept if the gameplay is spot on.
Of course being from Oz would have to deal with the only Man U versions being avail..............
Chewy
Of course being from Oz would have to deal with the only Man U versions being avail..............
Chewy
Lisbon67Seville03
Registered User
surely, then, it would be cheaper individually because of less options.
Zygalski
Administrator
"Take the preview from gamespot:-
Earlier today we paid a visit to the invitation-only area of Codemasters' E3 booth to check out Club Football on the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The game, as we've reported previously, is unusual in that 17 different club-themed versions will be available for each platform when the game ships in Europe this October. For the purposes of E3, Codemasters is showing Manchester United Club Football on the PS2 and Arsenal Club Football on the Xbox.
The first thing that struck us about both versions of the game is that, considering the fact that there's still five months of development time left, the game looks surprisingly polished. All the players from the teams that have been licensed for their own official versions of the game looked as realistic as those in a FIFA game, and the game's stadiums and presentation were also nearing the quality you'd usually expect of an EA Sports game. The similarities with FIFA pretty much end there, though, and Codemasters isn't embarrassed to admit that as far as gameplay is concerned, it's doing its best to emulate the formula of Konami's sublime Winning Eleven 6 (Pro Evolution Soccer 2 in Europe).
As fans of the Winning Eleven series, we were able to pick up and play Club Football without any instruction from the Codemasters representative we were going up against. Even Konami's system for automatically having defenders chase after the ball with a single button press was in place, and actually the only area of the gameplay in which the development team has gone with an entirely different system from that used by Konami is in the taking of free kicks. In Club Football, you'll basically get to choose a point at which you want to strike the ball, rather than using any arrows or such devices, and although it's sure to take some getting used to, the system appeared to work pretty well.
Club Football's biggest unique selling point is that if you're a fan of, for example, Manchester United, you'll be able to create a version of yourself in the game's editor and step out onto the pitch at Old Trafford alongside highly realistic models of your favorite players. When creating our character, we were amused to see that it's possible to create a player who'll look wholly out of place next to the athletic real-life players, so even if you have a belly that overhangs your shorts, there's a good chance you'll be able to create a player who actually resembles you physically.
If you're playing the Manchester United version of the game, you can also look forward to reading about the club's history, checking out player profiles, and unlocking movies showing some of the club's most significant goals in history. So, if you're a fan of one of the 17 club teams that will have its own version of Club Football, there are plenty of reasons why you might consider buying it--even as an alternative to a Winning Eleven game. If you're not a supporter of one of the 17 clubs, however, the same features that appeal to fans of the clubs will most likely put you off buying the game completely.
Club Football is currently scheduled for release in Europe in October, and although no North American release has been confirmed at this time, we're assured that trans-Atlantic crossings for at least the most popular club editions of the game are still under consideration. For more information on Club Football check out our previous coverage of the game.
By Justin Calvert, GameSpot"
Earlier today we paid a visit to the invitation-only area of Codemasters' E3 booth to check out Club Football on the PlayStation 2 and Xbox. The game, as we've reported previously, is unusual in that 17 different club-themed versions will be available for each platform when the game ships in Europe this October. For the purposes of E3, Codemasters is showing Manchester United Club Football on the PS2 and Arsenal Club Football on the Xbox.
The first thing that struck us about both versions of the game is that, considering the fact that there's still five months of development time left, the game looks surprisingly polished. All the players from the teams that have been licensed for their own official versions of the game looked as realistic as those in a FIFA game, and the game's stadiums and presentation were also nearing the quality you'd usually expect of an EA Sports game. The similarities with FIFA pretty much end there, though, and Codemasters isn't embarrassed to admit that as far as gameplay is concerned, it's doing its best to emulate the formula of Konami's sublime Winning Eleven 6 (Pro Evolution Soccer 2 in Europe).
As fans of the Winning Eleven series, we were able to pick up and play Club Football without any instruction from the Codemasters representative we were going up against. Even Konami's system for automatically having defenders chase after the ball with a single button press was in place, and actually the only area of the gameplay in which the development team has gone with an entirely different system from that used by Konami is in the taking of free kicks. In Club Football, you'll basically get to choose a point at which you want to strike the ball, rather than using any arrows or such devices, and although it's sure to take some getting used to, the system appeared to work pretty well.
Club Football's biggest unique selling point is that if you're a fan of, for example, Manchester United, you'll be able to create a version of yourself in the game's editor and step out onto the pitch at Old Trafford alongside highly realistic models of your favorite players. When creating our character, we were amused to see that it's possible to create a player who'll look wholly out of place next to the athletic real-life players, so even if you have a belly that overhangs your shorts, there's a good chance you'll be able to create a player who actually resembles you physically.
If you're playing the Manchester United version of the game, you can also look forward to reading about the club's history, checking out player profiles, and unlocking movies showing some of the club's most significant goals in history. So, if you're a fan of one of the 17 club teams that will have its own version of Club Football, there are plenty of reasons why you might consider buying it--even as an alternative to a Winning Eleven game. If you're not a supporter of one of the 17 clubs, however, the same features that appeal to fans of the clubs will most likely put you off buying the game completely.
Club Football is currently scheduled for release in Europe in October, and although no North American release has been confirmed at this time, we're assured that trans-Atlantic crossings for at least the most popular club editions of the game are still under consideration. For more information on Club Football check out our previous coverage of the game.
By Justin Calvert, GameSpot"
jamez
Calcio Agriculturus
Graphically i still feel PES2 looks more realsitic than any other footie game.
Ok, club football does look good, but at first glance i think most people will be impressed by the detail of the kits. Apart from that i dont think PES3 willhave anything to worry about.
The stadias look no better than PES2 nor do the player faces.
As said before, the concept of the game appears gimmicky. However the gameplay surely will not be worse than FIFA.
PES 'till i die!
Ok, club football does look good, but at first glance i think most people will be impressed by the detail of the kits. Apart from that i dont think PES3 willhave anything to worry about.
The stadias look no better than PES2 nor do the player faces.
As said before, the concept of the game appears gimmicky. However the gameplay surely will not be worse than FIFA.
PES 'till i die!
jamez
Calcio Agriculturus
Just a matter of personal opinion mate. Club football does look good but not to my taste, the same goes for fifa. As someone said earlier, PES2 has a 'subtle and distinctive style' which may not appeal to all, but appeals to me above any other football game. Anyway, graphics are not as important as gameplay (i think most will agree with this - you dont want to just enjoy looking at a game, but enjoy playing it more so) and it is not until we play club football that we will see how good or bad it is.
PES/WE has a major headstart over other games because it been about gameplay for a long time and they are closer to reaching perfection with each new title (hopefully with PES3). Now they can start to play around with graphics, audio effects and licenses because they have such a good base to start from. Unfortunately FIFA has done things the other way round, and gave us good visuals, licenses and tons of teams years ago - only now is it starting to improve the paltry gameplay.
We will have to see which route Club football will take, but on first impressions it may be going the FIFA route and attract the younger buyers with colourful, licensed players, kits and stadiums.
PES/WE has a major headstart over other games because it been about gameplay for a long time and they are closer to reaching perfection with each new title (hopefully with PES3). Now they can start to play around with graphics, audio effects and licenses because they have such a good base to start from. Unfortunately FIFA has done things the other way round, and gave us good visuals, licenses and tons of teams years ago - only now is it starting to improve the paltry gameplay.
We will have to see which route Club football will take, but on first impressions it may be going the FIFA route and attract the younger buyers with colourful, licensed players, kits and stadiums.
rubbergenius
Registered User
Hi,
I'm the Football Community Liaison Officer (for that title read: dosser) for Codemasters and I was just passing. Just thought I'd clear some things up. And don't worry - this isn't a spam message, just a bloody long spam message. I'm a big fan of PES2 as well - I've got it, played it etc etc and it's the best out there at the moment, easy (although it doesn't take much to beat the competition...)
Quite a few football gamers think that Club Football is a bit of a gimmick - the Fiorentina Easter Egg as someone put. And yes, the first buyers of Club Football will be fans of the teams and (gulp!) the "What should we buy little Johnny for Xmas?" market (if little Johnny's got a console and is a fan of one of the clubs). We'll be selling at club shops, it's only 17 teams, etc etc. It's a tie-in for God's sake - and we all know how 'good' tie-ins and licenses are as games...
However, that's the bad points (gaming-wise). The good points are that under the gloss hides 1. a great games engine, 2. the graphics are top notch and importantly, 3. we believe in the game. We haven't rush released this to get the Christmas market - it's been in development for two years - and it was just about ready for release in Spring but felt we better leave it so it would include the new kits and rosters (I hate that word but it's the best desciption) for the new season (updated as of the end of the transfer window on 31st August).
1. The gameplay (the most important bit) is very good - getting towards PES. We haven't nicked the PES system but we know what works and what doesn't from games and we feel we've got it right with Club Football. It's unlikely that you'll win each game 10-0 like some football games out there, the AI is believeable and we get some things very right with the control system (so you can get used to it easily, whether you are a PES player or a FIFA player).
2. Graphics - well, they're great. One of the journalists from Aston Villa was looking at the game and he couldn't believe he could see his own seat in the press box in the Doug Ellis stand - and person in it had a writing pad in his hand. And as for the players' likenesses, they're getting better all the time - check out the new screenshots that will be coming out next week. Yeah, Maldini had square legs!
3. And finally we believe in the game - we know that PES players are less likely to buy the first version of it - PES/WE is the gamers favourite. FIFA is the kids' favourite. We're hoping that Club Football will be the fans' favourite. Where you can play alongside your heroes, at your ground and for your club.
Things to note: Newcastle aren't in there because they're crap at sorting things out. We wanted them in there. They said no. They saw how good the game was looking. They wanted in. We didn't have time to do a good job if they wanted a game this year. So we're hoping for a NUFC version next year (and, as a Mag myself, so am I).
And as for other clubs, we've got about 250 other ones in there as well - you can play as any one teams from the top two division of seven leagues across Europe (England, Scottish, Holland, France, Spain, Italy and Germany). And, with certain exceptions, it will be fully licensed names.
Right, my fingers are hurting, I haven't done this much work in years. Any questions, email me at [email protected] - I'm off to play WE7
I'm the Football Community Liaison Officer (for that title read: dosser) for Codemasters and I was just passing. Just thought I'd clear some things up. And don't worry - this isn't a spam message, just a bloody long spam message
. I'm a big fan of PES2 as well - I've got it, played it etc etc and it's the best out there at the moment, easy (although it doesn't take much to beat the competition...)Quite a few football gamers think that Club Football is a bit of a gimmick - the Fiorentina Easter Egg as someone put. And yes, the first buyers of Club Football will be fans of the teams and (gulp!) the "What should we buy little Johnny for Xmas?" market (if little Johnny's got a console and is a fan of one of the clubs). We'll be selling at club shops, it's only 17 teams, etc etc. It's a tie-in for God's sake - and we all know how 'good' tie-ins and licenses are as games...
However, that's the bad points (gaming-wise). The good points are that under the gloss hides 1. a great games engine, 2. the graphics are top notch and importantly, 3. we believe in the game. We haven't rush released this to get the Christmas market - it's been in development for two years - and it was just about ready for release in Spring but felt we better leave it so it would include the new kits and rosters (I hate that word but it's the best desciption) for the new season (updated as of the end of the transfer window on 31st August).
1. The gameplay (the most important bit) is very good - getting towards PES. We haven't nicked the PES system but we know what works and what doesn't from games and we feel we've got it right with Club Football. It's unlikely that you'll win each game 10-0 like some football games out there, the AI is believeable and we get some things very right with the control system (so you can get used to it easily, whether you are a PES player or a FIFA player).
2. Graphics - well, they're great. One of the journalists from Aston Villa was looking at the game and he couldn't believe he could see his own seat in the press box in the Doug Ellis stand - and person in it had a writing pad in his hand. And as for the players' likenesses, they're getting better all the time - check out the new screenshots that will be coming out next week. Yeah, Maldini had square legs!
3. And finally we believe in the game - we know that PES players are less likely to buy the first version of it - PES/WE is the gamers favourite. FIFA is the kids' favourite. We're hoping that Club Football will be the fans' favourite. Where you can play alongside your heroes, at your ground and for your club.
Things to note: Newcastle aren't in there because they're crap at sorting things out. We wanted them in there. They said no. They saw how good the game was looking. They wanted in. We didn't have time to do a good job if they wanted a game this year. So we're hoping for a NUFC version next year (and, as a Mag myself, so am I).
And as for other clubs, we've got about 250 other ones in there as well - you can play as any one teams from the top two division of seven leagues across Europe (England, Scottish, Holland, France, Spain, Italy and Germany). And, with certain exceptions, it will be fully licensed names.
Right, my fingers are hurting, I haven't done this much work in years. Any questions, email me at [email protected] - I'm off to play WE7
Zygalski
Administrator
Thanks for that rubbergenius. Nice to hear from 'officiality' too.
If you plan on going to other forums with this info, save your fingers by copying it all and pasting it elsewhere.
We're touched that you typed all this up for us.
Shame about Newcastle.
Is it possible to give us a little inside info on how the footballing licencing issue really works in terms of prices (in general, not exact terms) and who is in charge of which licences etc. Thanks.
We all wonder why certain games have certain licences - a little clarity on this would be much appreciated. Thanks.
I saw an ad for Club football.
One big stack if game boxes for about 12 various clubs - and another of the same size only for Man United! Interesting!
Enjoy WE7 - we sure are!
Check out our WE7 translations page for some helpful advice.
(hope you actually come back to this and give us a reply)
If you plan on going to other forums with this info, save your fingers by copying it all and pasting it elsewhere.
We're touched that you typed all this up for us.
Shame about Newcastle.
Is it possible to give us a little inside info on how the footballing licencing issue really works in terms of prices (in general, not exact terms) and who is in charge of which licences etc. Thanks.
We all wonder why certain games have certain licences - a little clarity on this would be much appreciated. Thanks.
I saw an ad for Club football.
One big stack if game boxes for about 12 various clubs - and another of the same size only for Man United! Interesting!
Enjoy WE7 - we sure are!
Check out our WE7 translations page for some helpful advice.
(hope you actually come back to this and give us a reply)
rubbergenius
Registered User
Yeah, I'll be around, I like the forum! I try not to cut and paste as some mods thinking I'm just spamming them - I prefer to have a personalised response. I mod the official forums and I know I feel the same way about fans on my boards.
I'll ask licensing about licenses and all that malarkey - I don't pretend to understand myself. The Club Football producer told me all about the FIFPro license one day - didn't understand a word.
But it's certainly something that a lot of fans hate/love about whichever football game they buy - such as Oranges/Holland thing in PES2 - most fans think it's easy to get the license and ask why don't all the developers get one in - but it's certainly not that easily.
Cheers for the welcome!
I'll ask licensing about licenses and all that malarkey - I don't pretend to understand myself. The Club Football producer told me all about the FIFPro license one day - didn't understand a word.
But it's certainly something that a lot of fans hate/love about whichever football game they buy - such as Oranges/Holland thing in PES2 - most fans think it's easy to get the license and ask why don't all the developers get one in - but it's certainly not that easily.
Cheers for the welcome!
rebusrahman
Registered User
Very interesting indeed! rubbergenius, do you know Shannon?
rubbergenius
Registered User
If it's the Shannon that works here - yes I do.