Complete player editing

[HTF]

Yeah im here bags.

On Dean ashton i think that He is a fantastc all round striker who will one-day be very inffluential players for the national side in years to come. He's good in the air (better than crouch in my opinion) He's not the quickest but I think he more than makes up for that with his guile and intelligance on the pitch. He is as you pointed out a very good passer of the ball and you were spot on about giving him the passing special abillity; he now plays, with a few tweeks on my origanal stats,just like in real life.

The other thing that you mentioned about his jumping was right , he is not THAT athletic but still has a good jump with a solid stat around the 80 mark.

Just a final question about the affects of the heading stat on a player. Does it affect other things other than the accuracy of a players headers?as I have noticed with didier drogba after updating his stats, he seems more of a threat at set plays and seems to attack the ball with more intent than before.

Your Thoughts.

 

[bagrunnell]

Yea, definitely true all that you said about Ashton. I personally like to see him play a bit deeper with a harewood like player in front. Just a bit of free license around the penalty, and we can see his great vision and passing more in that role. And yes, definitely better than Crouch at heading!:laugh:

The heading stat generally effects all round quality of header. Accuracy, and it has certain effects on power in relation to the shot power value. After doing a lot of testing a while ago, I believe that the jump attribute effects the how well they attack the ball. A higher jump value means thery can really get up and attack it. The reason for Drogba's good attacking as you mentioned is likely to be down to the inclusion of the positioning star. He can find the right places and use his jump to attack the ball well.

 

[tingdaman]

Ashton's a good passer of the ball, and for a tall player like him, a decent finisher as well. I think the agression stat number is good as it gets him to attack the ball well. I'd probably put his teamwork value up a little, maybe 82 instead of 80, because he works well with his teammates in creating goal-scoring chances. Maybe i'd change his attack number to 82 instead of 83, and i'm unsure about the 1-touch star, does he warrant it?
Lassana Diarra's update surprised me a little bit, but i'm sure we'll see him a lot more this season, judging by his appearance in the Community Shield.
The idea of an option file is great, that way we can see players we havn't requested and makes it quicker to make updates for.

 

[smb]

I have a question:

What effect would be seen on a player if you gave him both the side and centre stars? I know what the stars do individually and I am wondering as to the effects of combining them, as I am trying to create a playmaker-type player who will roam all over the pitch, popping up in the centre and both touchlines.

Would giving the player both stars make him move into all the different areas of the pitch, or simply end up causing them to cancel each other out and have the player stay where he is put in the formation screen?



If they simply cancelled each other out, how would you go about making a player move to both touchlines and to the centre of the pitch?

I have thought about using a central AMF and giving him attacking arrows pointing sideways to each touchline but I would prefer to accomplish the 'roaming' movement via both side and centre stars if it works that way.



PS. Is there any chance you can post up those other players (Cech, Geremi, Sissoko etc) you have done when you get the time? I am currently creating a spreadsheet with all the players you have done plus some of my own and I want to edit these into PES 6 as soon as it comes out, rather than put them into PES 5 as I shall be abandoning it soon.

 

[HTF]

Ashton's a good passer of the ball, and for a tall player like him, a decent finisher as well. I think the agression stat number is good as it gets him to attack the ball well. I'd probably put his teamwork value up a little, maybe 82 instead of 80, because he works well with his teammates in creating goal-scoring chances. Maybe i'd change his attack number to 82 instead of 83, and i'm unsure about the 1-touch star, does he warrant it?
Lassana Diarra's update surprised me a little bit, but i'm sure we'll see him a lot more this season, judging by his appearance in the Community Shield.
The idea of an option file is great, that way we can see players we havn't requested and makes it quicker to make updates for.

I gave him the 1 touch star because of deans superb ability to hit volleys well. He has a superb technique and this is why he has been given this paticular star. I have watched dean throughout his career and this is something he has always been one of deans strong points, he can watch the high ball well and shoot, cushion the pass, or bring it under control.

 

[bagrunnell]

I would probably agree with HTF in that he does need the 1-touch star. His shot technique alone is probably a bit to low, and we dont want to raise that else we will have a misbalance, so the 1-touch star is a good option.

Oh, and Tingdaman, what do you mean by Diarra's update being 'surprising'?:laugh:

 

[Timblez]

HTF, am I right in saying you're a Crewe fan?

 

[ATH10]

bagz hargreaves can as a full back

 

[ATH10]

I will do in a bit HTF. Before we move on to the Ashton stats people I just want to post a little something. Its just a little update for Lasanna Diarra, the young Chelsea player. I doubt many of you will have seen too much of him, so here is just a little update for the player.

if diarras in the same mould as makelele then he shouldnt have the middle shooting star

 

[HTF]

HTF, am I rght in saying you're a Crewe fan?

Well I was for today

But im a huddersfield fan and Ive had a very stressfull day listening to us play against Brentford (two goals in stopage time doesn't do you're heart any good at all)

 

[smb]

A player can be in the same mould as Makelele yet still be able to shoot from distance. Just because Diarra is a defensive midfielder similar to Makelele doesn't mean he's as useless at shooting as Makelele

 

[ATH10]

A player can be in the same mould as Makelele yet still be able to shoot from distance. Just because Diarra is a defensive midfielder similar to Makelele doesn't mean he's as useless at shooting as Makelele

the makelele mould is a player that hardly shoots or gets forward therefore he shouldnt get the middle shooting star its given to players such as ballack, lampard and gerrard to name a few and diarra doesnt fit that category

 

[Timblez]

I had to suffer West ham going behind and then making a 3-1 comeback . Although conceding two in quick succession is much more stressful:crymore: .

 

[smb]

Just because he should rarely ever shoot, doesn't mean he isn't capable of shooting. If, during what bagrunnel has seen of him, Lassana Diarra demonstrated ability in distance shooting that warranted the middle shooting star, then he should be given the star regardless of whether or not it is necessary for or of benefit to a player in his position.

 

[Chuck Morris]

:no:

bagz hargreaves can as a full back

He played in that position when he was younger and he also played as a wide man, but since he has grown and matured he has become much more accustomed to the defensive/holding midfield role. I very much doubt you will see Hargreaves operating as a right back from this point on in his career.

 

[Matio]

:no:

He played in that position when he was younger and he also played as a wide man, but since he has grown and matured he has become much more accustomed to the defensive/holding midfield role. I very much doubt you will see Hargreaves operating as a right back from this point on in his career.

he did play right back in the world cup

 

[Chuck Morris]

he did play right back in the world cup

Hmm, true. But i still think his best and main position now is in the middle of the park.

 

[bagrunnell]

Just a small reply before MOTD, then will really get back.

Firstly, just because Diarra plays as a DMF, doesnt mean he cant have middle shooting star. Stars are are not limited to positions, and that is one mistake a lot of people make. All a star does is give a certain quality to a player.

And secondly I know Hargreaves can play full back. But the reason I havent assigned him it is because he hasnt played it in ages, and I doubt he really will again. I dont want him to be on a computer controlled team, and they put him at a full back position as it is an assigned one. Dont forget that just because it isnt registered as a position, doesnt mean you cant play him there!

 

[tingdaman]

I would probably agree with HTF in that he does need the 1-touch star. His shot technique alone is probably a bit to low, and we dont want to raise that else we will have a misbalance, so the 1-touch star is a good option.

Oh, and Tingdaman, what do you mean by Diarra's update being 'surprising'?:laugh:

ok, ill go try out ashton's 1-touch star soon, probably not tonight but maybe sometime tomorrow.

(!) not meaning it in a bad way, just found it was something different [as in to update a player that doesn't feature as reguarly as all the other players you've done]. its nicely appreciated though.

 

[bagrunnell]

Right, just wanted to elaborate on the middle shooting point earlier.

Now this all revolves around treating players as individuals. You said that if a player is in the Makelele mould, he shouldn't have middle shooting star.:no: This is one of the main reasons as to why people end up with innacurate stats. Every player should be treated as an individual. They shouldn't be rated on their team, or by the position that they play in. There should be no stereotypes created when editing a players stats. So you saying that Diarra shouldn't have middle shooting star because he is a DMF, is doing exactly what I described and creating a stereotype. Diarra is his own player, and in practice could have any of the special stars if it led to him being more realistic.

Middle shooting is certainly not reserved for players like Lampard and Gerrard, it just happens that by giving them this star, we get a more accurate representation of them.

Oh and I know you didnt mean anthing malicious tingdaman was just a funny way of phrasing it