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CPU/AI whatever u want to call it is 'very poor'.

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MysteryMan

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Yep like the title says, the AI is shit.

KONAMI promised us great AI this year but honestly its shit.

1. All teams play the same or at least extremely similar, theres no difference when u play Barca or Real Zaragoza in terms of playing, I find it so funny how Barca keep playing long ball all the time and crossing the ball from the wings, hilarious stuff konami really.

2. Similar to all teams being similar same goes for players being similar, last year there was a major difference between a world class player and just a great player, this year the difference is so little you can barely notice it and you really need a shit player to really notice the difference well. The difference is not only way too low but all the players infact have too good stats like control of the ball , passing , shooting etc...
I mean the ball is glued to the players feet , players that have 70 DA ... same goes for players shooting , if I shot with Xavi 10 times im going to hit the goal about 8 times, and Xavi has less than 80 shooting accuracy, ridicilous.. This is also one reason for so many goals apart from the goalkeepers not being quite as good.

3. Because of the combination of 1. and 2. there are little differences between teams, for example if you play against Barca or against Helsinki its going to be almost the same in terms of how you control the match, I can control the match against both easily and get way over 60% posession, even over 70% if I want.
Yes Barca generaly feels more dangerous and might score more goals against me because of some really high stated players like Messi , Xavi, Iniesta etc... but the difference is not that big and even players with shit stats have good enough stats because of the overrated stats to dribble well, shoot accurate etc..

One good way to try this out is also by making CPU vs CPU matches, try it out I urge you to test the AI.

I did a few times now and the result is shocking and proves my point, low end teams outposessing Barca and winning against them etc...

Also the players lack any inviduality, everyone does the same no matter who they are, Xavi will try to dribble past players and shot instead of playmaking etc...

Also your teammates ( tested in BAL ) are so dumb... I played 3 matches 10 mins long and I counted 5 times that my player went out of bounds over the line, for no reason.

I must say im extremely disapointed and this was supposed to be the focal point, the main thing that KONAMI will improve this year, its embarassing how poor they did their job, its barely better than pes 2011 was.


Btw for all you saying play online and ul see blabla stuff keep that to yourself, this is stricly commenting the offline game.
 
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MysteryMan

Registered User
Nice screenshot of a CPU vs CPU match :



If anyone can seriously say this is alright deserves to be shot, srsly.. WHY KONAMI?
 
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EvanRG

Registered User
Can't say I agree at all. I'm in the middle of a CPU match of Real vs Barca and this was the halftime stats of a 15 minute, -1 Speed, Professional game:

Real / Barca
Score: 1-1
Shots: 6(1) - (7)10
Fouls: 2 - 2
Possession: 48 - 52


If you want to hate the game then that's OK, but the game has been out for a whopping 12 hours now and you are declaring it s***?

The AI looks fantastic in CPU vs CPU. Messi plays very calculated, Pique had a header off a beautiful corner setup and Real made a nice counter attack. I'm not one to compare, but if this game is so disappointing, I suggest you take a look at the mess that is Fifa 12 AI. There's already people on their forums devising how to NOT make all the teams play the same (good luck).

The game looks TV quality IMO.
 
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MustBe21orUp

Registered User
MysteryMan said:
Yep like the title says, the AI is shit.

KONAMI promised us great AI this year but honestly its shit.

1. All teams play the same or at least extremely similar, theres no difference when u play Barca or Real Zaragoza in terms of playing, I find it so funny how Barca keep playing long ball all the time and crossing the ball from the wings, hilarious stuff konami really.

2. Similar to all teams being similar same goes for players being similar, last year there was a major difference between a world class player and just a great player, this year the difference is so little you can barely notice it and you really need a shit player to really notice the difference well. The difference is not only way too low but all the players infact have too good stats like control of the ball , passing , shooting etc...
I mean the ball is glued to the players feet , players that have 70 DA ... same goes for players shooting , if I shot with Xavi 10 times im going to hit the goal about 8 times, and Xavi has less than 80 shooting accuracy, ridicilous.. This is also one reason for so many goals apart from the goalkeepers not being quite as good.

3. Because of the combination of 1. and 2. there are little differences between teams, for example if you play against Barca or against Helsinki its going to be almost the same in terms of how you control the match, I can control the match against both easily and get way over 60% posession, even over 70% if I want.
Yes Barca generaly feels more dangerous and might score more goals against me because of some really high stated players like Messi , Xavi, Iniesta etc... but the difference is not that big and even players with shit stats have good enough stats because of the overrated stats to dribble well, shoot accurate etc..

One good way to try this out is also by making CPU vs CPU matches, try it out I urge you to test the AI.

I did a few times now and the result is shocking and proves my point, low end teams outposessing Barca and winning against them etc...

Also the players lack any inviduality, everyone does the same no matter who they are, Xavi will try to dribble past players and shot instead of playmaking etc...

Also your teammates ( tested in BAL ) are so dumb... I played 3 matches 10 mins long and I counted 5 times that my player went out of bounds over the line, for no reason.

I must say im extremely disapointed and this was supposed to be the focal point, the main thing that KONAMI will improve this year, its embarassing how poor they did their job, its barely better than pes 2011 was.


Btw for all you saying play online and ul see blabla stuff keep that to yourself, this is stricly commenting the offline game.
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shut the fuck up man, seriously. just shut the fuck up
 
DIECI

DIECI

Registered User
MysteryMan said:
Nice screenshot of a CPU vs CPU match :



If anyone can seriously say this is alright deserves to be shot, srsly.. WHY KONAMI?
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So you used Barca and the AI beat your ass and you're butthurt??
You've been complaining since demo 1, why did you even bother to buy the game if you hate it so much? :no:
 
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EvanRG

Registered User
Barca just had 55% possession to Real's 45%. You couldn't have at least complained about an actual glitch like the running glitch? (which Konami is fixing as I write) You complain about the game's strongest point? LOL.
 
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MysteryMan

Registered User
EvanRG said:
Barca just had 55% possession to Real's 45%. You couldn't have at least complained about an actual glitch like the running glitch? (which Konami is fixing as I write) You complain about the game's strongest point? LOL.
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Thats all fine and dandy but why don't you try putting a weak team to play against Barca and see if theres any difference between Real and that weak team in terms of posession etc... come back to me with that.

Heres another reason why AI is dumb, its dumb in closing down players and unaware of them , aswell as another reason why low tier teams have too good technical stats, since its too easy to keep posession against any team if u want:



Superstar difficulty, manual passing, 10 mins etc..
 
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JMTD

Registered User
EvanRG said:
Can't say I agree at all. I'm in the middle of a CPU match of Real vs Barca and this was the halftime stats of a 15 minute, -1 Speed, Professional game:

Real / Barca
Score: 1-1
Shots: 6(1) - (7)10
Fouls: 2 - 2
Possession: 48 - 52


If you want to hate the game then that's OK, but the game has been out for a whopping 12 hours now and you are declaring it s***?

The AI looks fantastic in CPU vs CPU. Messi plays very calculated, Pique had a header off a beautiful corner setup and Real made a nice counter attack. I'm not one to compare, but if this game is so disappointing, I suggest you take a look at the mess that is Fifa 12 AI. There's already people on their forums devising how to NOT make all the teams play the same (good luck).

The game looks TV quality IMO.
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He declared it shit before he even had the game, I almost go out of my way to avoid his posts, because it's the same old stuff.

Opinions are fine, but you're trying to come in here and say the AI is shit, when this game has arguably the best AI any football game has had on the next gen consoles. You then say every team plays the same, which is rubbish. I play against Rangers, they play very defensive, very hard to break through at times because they play almost every man behind the ball, they often play hoof ball. I then play against Inter, they play very smart, pass the ball well, keep good posession, great link up play, smart through balls, Milito and Pazzini doing super movement and runs up top.

I genuinley don't get this nonsense of the players feeling the same too. I use Motta, he is a big guy and feels nothing like Pazzini or Cambiasso or even another big guy like Milito, they move different, they boss areas different. Seriously, is this really that hard to see or do you simply look to play a game to just play cheap football, rather than actually try to play realistic and not attempt to dribble through a team with a defender?

And so far BAL has had great feedback, people saying it's much improved thanks to better AI.

No problem with people having opinions, but seriously mate, you're are beyond shocking. I'll look to avoid you from now on because every post I've seen from you lately is the same old story. There's discussing negatives and then there's your posts. Best of luck with the game, hope things change for you.
 
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MysteryMan

Registered User
JMTD said:
He declared it shit before he even had the game, I almost go out of my way to avoid his posts, because it's the same old stuff.

Opinions are fine, but you're trying to come in here and say the AI is shit, when this game has arguably the best AI any football game has had on the next gen consoles. You then say every team plays the same, which is rubbish. I play against Rangers, they play very defensive, very hard to break through at times because they play almost every man behind the ball, they often play hoof ball. I then play against Inter, they play very smart, pass the ball well, keep good posession, great link up play, smart through balls, Milito and Pazzini doing super movement and runs up top.

I genuinley don't get this nonsense of the players feeling the same too. I use Motta, he is a big guy and feels nothing like Pazzini or Cambiasso or even another big guy like Milito, they move different, they boss areas different. Seriously, is this really that hard to see or do you simply look to play a game to just play cheap football, rather than actually try to play realistic and not attempt to dribble through a team with a defender?

And so far BAL has had great feedback, people saying it's much improved thanks to better AI.

No problem with people having opinions, but seriously mate, you're are beyond shocking. I'll look to avoid you from now on because every post I've seen from you lately is the same old story. There's discussing negatives and then there's your posts. Best of luck with the game, hope things change for you.
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Im beyond shocking because I offer critique of the game? Come on seriously dude, try playing Barca CPU vs low tier team CPU and see if its realistic, also try sprinting with your defender and tell me if a defender in real life can sprint and have the ball glued so close?
Also test how many times you hit the goal if you shoot 10 times with a average shot acc guy like Xavi.
Try all these things and then tell me honestly if PES feels realistic or arcade alike and if the individuality of teams and players is good enough.
The answer to all those questions is no it isn't, even compared to some old games like PES 6 and so forth.
 
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br0de

Registered User
MysteryMan said:
Thats all fine and dandy but why don't you try putting a weak team to play against Barca and see if theres any difference between Real and that weak team in terms of posession etc... come back to me with that.

Heres another reason why AI is dumb, its dumb in closing down players and unaware of them , aswell as another reason why low tier teams have too good technical stats, since its too easy to keep posession against any team if u want:



Superstar difficulty, manual passing, 10 mins etc..
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wow dude, it's a video game. If you want to pass the ball around in the back with slovenia the entire game then thats fine. the game doesn't know you're being a jackass. In NHL 12, you can probably grab the puck and skate around the back of your net the entire game. because it's a video game.
 
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MysteryMan

Registered User
br0de said:
wow dude, it's a video game. If you want to pass the ball around in the back with slovenia the entire game then thats fine. the game doesn't know you're being a jackass. In NHL 12, you can probably grab the puck and skate around the back of your net the entire game. because it's a video game.
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So is it hard to program the AI to start pressuring you if you do that and pressure you smart to force you into a mistake? I think thats very easily achieved.

Do you realize the flaw this has in the game, I might get a goal early in the match and then keep posession till the end, even on superstar, which means I will win the match and the CPU won't do anything about it.
 
Sabatasso

Sabatasso

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That comment is even truer than jammiedodger knew when he posted it. MysteryMan has the same spree going on at no less than three (or more?) forums at the same time.

Well done MysteryMan!


BTW, You can keep possession for a long time in any of the newer football games if you really want to. Just avoid attacking, and you can get 80% or more possession without any problem. I don't think it's a good thing, but at least it's not a new phenomena discovered in PES12.
 
Bite.Me

Bite.Me

Registered User
Dumbest thread ever....

At least get upset about some of the flaws of PES 2012... and there are still some.
 
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EnglishSnake

Registered User
Im prob the only person who agrees with the OP

The demo was bad

The players had no individuality at all thus meaning the teams wont and for me that isnt PES, thats FIFA

Whats the point when Stoke is going to play like Barca
 
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