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[chanv]

I just got WE7I Jap, it is great game, no question about, but I am having all kind of trouble on offence, specially on dribble, it seems like I can't never get pass any guy at all. Maybe it is because I am using analog instead of d-pad but I don't know, so any hint will be great, thanks in advance

 

[kneros]

practice practice practice your dribbling moves if you want to beat someone..
http://www.pesinsight.com/pes3/specialmoves.shtml

and don't expect to blow by davids using some scrub from your ml default squad.. use players with good dribbling skills obviously if you want consistent success

my favorite feature of we7 is the ability to beat someone(s) one on one.. here's what I've noticed and think is outstanding..

the reason there are clips you can download off Kazaa that feature zidane owen or ronaldinho embarrassing multiple defenders on their way to the net is because it is possible and does happen

but even the great ones can pull this off with rare success due to the talent that exists at any pro football level

what I'm sayin is no matter how skilled you become with riquelme or ronaldo or whomever, we7 is so realistic that you may smoke 3-5 defenders en route to a strike but the next time you face up against thuram..

you just might want to look for the open man instead

 

[kokoris]

CAUTION Kneros seems to me you're talking about WE7 or WE7 Int'l (usa version)
while Chanv is talking about WE7 Int'l Japan, I got both and trust me, is a lot harder
todrible on the japanese one (the one with Zico standing on a field)
i've only had it for a few days and the key is pass the ball a lot, use 1-2's and a lot
of through passes.
Anyone has played WE7 Int'l Japan, agree with me?

Kokoris

 

[kneros]

CAUTION Kneros seems to me you're talking about WE7 or WE7 Int'l (usa version)
while Chanv is talking about WE7 Int'l Japan, I got both and trust me, is a lot harder
todrible on the japanese one (the one with Zico standing on a field)
i've only had it for a few days and the key is pass the ball a lot, use 1-2's and a lot
of through passes.
Anyone has played WE7 Int'l Japan, agree with me?

Kokoris

No doubt I agree with you and all else.. I think you misunderstood me a little..

if embarrassing defenders one on one was cheap and easy it wouldn't be a downloadable event

from what I hear about we7Ijap it is more of a passing game.. like real life futbol is as well -

but you have to agree that there are going to be those *rare* relaxed moments(as in reality - giggs, zidane, etc) where the defense seems to just fall into your hands one by one and before you know it 3 or 4 are behind you and the goal opens wide in front

even in we7Ijap..

but I must say that I just discovered this game on the 17th and have enjoyed every bit, my dribbling is peaking and even on this game with its defense at 4* and 5* I still only execute a spectacular individual effort a la ronaldinho etc once every several matches and that makes it so much better IMO

yet I still use an educated passing attack for the most part

 

[Zygalski]

Yes, I think WE7:IJ is harder to dribble past people in - but this can be overcome, possibly by using better skilled dribblers. But there's no way it's going to be as easy as it was in PES2.

"Pass and move, It's the Liverpool Groove!"

 

[kokoris]

from what I hear about we7Ijap it is more of a passing game.. like real life futbol is as well - but you have to agree that there are going to be those *rare* relaxed moments(as in reality - giggs, zidane, etc) where the defense seems to just fall into your hands one by one

Kneros: I Agree 100% with you, and of course knowing all the dribling moves and practicing helps a lot. In fact WE7 INt.Jap is more a passing game like in real life, for example if you are tryin to outrun a defense he is always going to catch up with you
(like real life because a guy just runnin will always be faster than a guy running and carrying the ball) but if you push d-pad or Joystick a couple of times and keep it presssed in the direction youre heading then you advance the ball and start runnin faster (like real life) It's a great game
kokoris

 

[kneros]

I can't wait to get my hands on it now that the patches are emerging, but I'm broke , so if there's a chipped ps2 and patched we7Ijap giveaway lemme know... lol

 

[Cellini]

This is how I got past 5* Attack in Challenge Training:

Try drawing the defender away from his team mates, slowing down with an autoside step (R2+pull sideways to direction of run, then release direction) heading towards the touchline, then as the defender starts to go in for the tackle, hit L1 for closer control and cut inside him at an angle where an R1 sprint (or even R1+R2) gives you a chance to just drive past the second defender.

Often his team mate will still get to you, but if he doesn't, you have to let go of R1 and slot home a decent shot, even add a shot-feint (hold [], then cancel the shot with O to produce the feint, and then tap [] for the tap in).

The other way I've found to beat players 1-on-1 is to auto-sidestep one way, then do a proper side-step back the other, it's tricky but if you can get it going in diagonal directions it works best. Try using L1 as you switch directions to keep the ball close so that if you haven't beaten the defender, you can still turn away from the tackle.

It's very tricky, but once you can control switching from side-steping in one direction, straight into another - you can screen the ball while the defender closes you down, and then cut straigh back inside him as soon as he's commited to the tackle. At it's best I can almost do 3-point turns - showing defenders one way, turning to shield the ball, then bursting away in the other direction. On other days, if I'm not concentrating or trying to force the game, I'll lose the ball and fall over, while the opposition all break into attack.

I only started looking at the 8 possible angles for side-stepping when it was pointed out here that by comparison, the R1 sprint has 16 angles. Knowing these angles helps you judge if you can maintain a full R1 sprint by just shifting the angle of your run by 22.5 degree's, or if you'll have to slow down, draw him and then outwit him by using L1 and/or R2 on the 8 diagonal angles.

 

[kneros]

This is how I got past 5* Attack in Challenge Training:

Try drawing the defender away from his team mates, slowing down with an autoside step (R2+pull sideways to direction of run, then release direction) heading towards the touchline, then as the defender starts to go in for the tackle, hit L1 for closer control and cut inside him at an angle where an R1 sprint (or even R1+R2) gives you a chance to just drive past the second defender.

Often his team mate will still get to you, but if he doesn't, you have to let go of R1 and slot home a decent shot, even add a shot-feint (hold [], then cancel the shot with O to produce the feint, and then tap [] for the tap in).

The other way I've found to beat players 1-on-1 is to auto-sidestep one way, then do a proper side-step back the other, it's tricky but if you can get it going in diagonal directions it works best. Try using L1 as you switch directions to keep the ball close so that if you haven't beaten the defender, you can still turn away from the tackle.

It's very tricky, but once you can control switching from side-steping in one direction, straight into another - you can screen the ball while the defender closes you down, and then cut straigh back inside him as soon as he's commited to the tackle. At it's best I can almost do 3-point turns - showing defenders one way, turning to shield the ball, then bursting away in the other direction. On other days, if I'm not concentrating or trying to force the game, I'll lose the ball and fall over, while the opposition all break into attack.

I only started looking at the 8 possible angles for side-stepping when it was pointed out here that by comparison, the R1 sprint has 16 angles. Knowing these angles helps you judge if you can maintain a full R1 sprint by just shifting the angle of your run by 22.5 degree's, or if you'll have to slow down, draw him and then outwit him by using L1 and/or R2 on the 8 diagonal angles.

I don't think anyone could've said it better

I saw a thread somewhere where some guy was yapping about "you have to score both times" and other nonsense about not trying to beat either defender one on one..

side-stepping will become your best friend in this challenge along with shot fakes and maybe a lob/chip shot

and if you can get a good look and get a shot off, you'll get 300-*550* pts just by forcing the keeper to dive and tip it over the goal line

not to mention the "prettier" your effort looks (eg burning both defenders with your dribbling moves and getting pissing distance from the keeper) the more pts as well