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Defensive set ups Help Needed

ScousEvolution

Registered User
Sweepers are not very effective in my opinion. I would recommend going with a 4-4-2 formation if youre a newbie.

There are only 3 effective formations in my opinion. The 3-5-2 B the 4-4-2 B and the 4-5-1 B. They all provid excellent balance (as the B for Balance suggests) whilst giving you good attacking options.

Always remember to stretch your wingers out a little bit, and move the men in the middle slightly wider so as not to isolate anyone.


And ALWAYS keep the back line exactly in a line, and select line defence from the strategy list if you want to play the offside trap.

Don't be temtped to play your fullbacks higher up than the rest, because you will find your centre backs will be left stranded when the offside trap is played.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
I'm not sure of the controls on the xbox.

But check your manual and find out which button you have to hold to play the one-two.

Whichever button that is, hold it, and when you play the pass, your man will make the run immediately. You will know what a one-two is because the man who plays the ball will immediately make the run forwards.

Now in the instruction manual it will tell you to press another button to complete the one-two (or "give-and-go" as it is otherwise known). But this is not what I'm talking about.

You can either play a direct one-two, where your man passes the ball, makes the run, and then gets the return ball straigh back. Or you can do it another way, and this is the way that gets you most success.

Play the one-two by holding whatever button it is you have to press, and instead of returning the pass immediately, let the man run forward. Now the secret to perfecting this move is simple in theory, but hard to master. But once you do master it you will set up some great attacks.

Basically, what you are trying to do is buy the player who is making the run enough time to get free into the space he is running into, by twisting and turning away from the players coming to close your man down.

It goes like this:

A/ Play the ball whilst holding the appropriate button.

B/ Use the man who receives the pass to keep hold of the ball long enough to buy some space for the player who is running.

C/ watch the man who is making the run, and decide when you want to play the return ball to him.

The secret of making it work is to keep possesion of the ball by wriggling, turning, or whatever, whilst at the same time watching the man who is making the run. Basically you are doing two things at the same time. Waiting for the best time to play the through ball, and keeping possesion of the ball yourself so you can play it to him.

It takes a long time to master, but is without doubt the most difficult thing of all to defend against. It works especially well in two player mode.

A big tip here though is to remember one thing. Don't ALWAYS choose to play the through ball. Or even play to the player who is making the run.

Sometimes you play the one two, but your man runs doen a blind alley, or into a bad position, or a defender follows him. In this case it is better to turn away and play it to someone else.

This move is even more useful for this reason. Especially in two player mode.

You see, the man who makes the run is sometimes followed by a defender, which makes more space for another player who might be by your side. So this opens up space for other players.

In two player mode though, things get even more interesting. I play like this virtually all over the pitch. Sometimes I choose to use the runner, sometimes not. And it always throws off whoever I play. Many times the lads who play against me know that I use this method, so they sometimes track the runner, and lose track of the man who is in possesion of the ball himself. Basically, the runner is used as a dummy, and if you can beat the last man with the player in possesion you are clean through on goal.

It goes on and on. I could talk to you all night about all hte various tips and tricks. But there are so many little details that it would be impossible to cram them all in. Basically pro evo is a masterful piece of software for the simple reason that it allows so much diversity, individuality, and improvement.

But the one-two technique which I have explained to yu is one thing I would urge anyone to learn and adapt to.

No matter how much you think you will never get the hang of it, keep trying. Because I don't think there is a better feeling you can have on a games console than when you learn to play some top drawer football on pro evo.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
Oh yes, and learn to play in manual from the very get go.

I'd say you can get to about 75 -85 % of your full potential by playing in semi-auto. And 100 % in manual.

Basically, once you learn to switch to the right man at the right time (which isn't that hard if you practice) you have much more control over every aspect of your team.
 

luv4skating

Registered User
Do you know anything about Trading or Transfering players, I'm in week 18 and Negotiations Round 4 and my Expenditure is 13052 and my funds are 10860 is there anyway to overcome this?

Thank you for all of your help!!
 

cadburyho

Registered User
Im wondering if people can help me make my defence more stable when being attacked. Im using Crystal Palace in this mini league im doing and noticed i was very vunerable with through balls. ive set my back four all to high defensive and arrows going towards my own goal but it still gets breahced so just wondering if you could help

I guess you must be playing WE8 L/E as the CPU is extremely good in through balls especially when one is having a lapse in concentration.
Believe me WE8 L/E is a much tougher game than We8 at 5* .I have languished in Div 2 for almost 5 season until I found a way to avert the through balls. One effective method is to place your last defender just after the keeper ie. in the middle of the goal mouth. It would be suicidal to use him on a Man to Man. Use Zone instead. It is like double protection. If your defender fails to intercept the through ball, you will have this last defender to depend on. If he misses that too, you still have the keeper. And for the latter, you must be proficient with the L1/Triangle and Direction button to block the shot.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
luv4skating said:
Do you know anything about Trading or Transfering players, I'm in week 18 and Negotiations Round 4 and my Expenditure is 13052 and my funds are 10860 is there anyway to overcome this?

Thank you for all of your help!!

What do you mean overcome it?

Do you mean get more points?
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
Cadburyho,

I don't agree with that myself.

Everyone has their own way of playing and all that, but in my experience by playing a sweeper you are basically hoping that the opponent doesn't finde space either side of him. Because there is no chance of playing the offside trap with a man so deep in your defence.

I find an easy way to breach a sweeper system is to play the through ball wide instead of through the middle, and then pass to the man in space in the box for an easy tap in.

My advice is to play the offside trap, and keep your back four in a perfect line on the position edit screen.

Select line defence, select back line-A, set offside trap to-A.
Put all your defence on normal defensive arrows. And set the attack settings of your two centre backs to neutral.

That's basically the best way to play the offside trap in my opinion.

But if you want to play with a sweeper then fair enough.
 

orkyben

Knucklehead McSpazatron
luv4skating said:
Do you know anything about Trading or Transfering players, I'm in week 18 and Negotiations Round 4 and my Expenditure is 13052 and my funds are 10860 is there anyway to overcome this?

Thank you for all of your help!!

If it stays like that at the end of teh season your game will end so dont buy anymore players and maybe try and sell one -dont worry tho coz you still have the second half of the season to earn more money by winning games.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
Oh, I see. You are in the red basically.

What you have to do is try your best to win your cup games especially. As this is where the points are at.

Especially if you are not likely to win the league you are in.

Besides, don't worry too much about losing a master league. Just keep playing and you'll get it right in the end.
 

cadburyho

Registered User
ScousEvolution said:
Cadburyho,

I don't agree with that myself.

Everyone has their own way of playing and all that, but in my experience by playing a sweeper you are basically hoping that the opponent doesn't finde space either side of him. Because there is no chance of playing the offside trap with a man so deep in your defence.

I find an easy way to breach a sweeper system is to play the through ball wide instead of through the middle, and then pass to the man in space in the box for an easy tap in.

My advice is to play the offside trap, and keep your back four in a perfect line on the position edit screen.

Select line defence, select back line-A, set offside trap to-A.
Put all your defence on normal defensive arrows. And set the attack settings of your two centre backs to neutral.

That's basically the best way to play the offside trap in my opinion.

But if you want to play with a sweeper then fair enough.

Scous
Appreciate your analysis.
I did try with all kinds of formation to no avail. I struggled to win games.Even leading by 2-0 the next thing will see my team trailing. I played with 4 defenders in a form of a curve. It did not work.
I moved the 2nd defender(the one with better acceleration right down to the goal mouth somewhere in the middle and suddenly I am beginning to see results. I was able to intercept crosses with greater success whether it coming from left or right. Perhaps you are right by placing my defender right to the end, I have deprived myself of using the offside trap. But then again the offside trap will not work all the time.I believe you must be good at it.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
I suppose there are benefits of both systems.

Whichever one you become confortable with probably suits you best. But it is important to learn properly how to play both.

I think that one of the main mistakes most people make in pro evolution is to keep changing their formations every time something goes wrong.

What you have to remember is that no formation is going to protect you against everything all of the time. But you see people watching a replay of a goal they've conceded, and seeing how easily they were cut apart, and instantly blame the formation. Then they set about changing it to a completely different one.

Most of the time all you need to do is just tinker with it, or in some cases, do nothing at all and just put it down to nothing being perfect.

Then you can concentrate on the game itself.
 

luv4skating

Registered User
Well I've been tinkering with the 3-5-2 and edited it just the way you said and finally got a win with man blue (Manchester City) I scored 3 goals!!!! I freaked out, it was good now I'm about a 1000 in the red it's getting better I think.

What about Attack/Defense I believe that's in the set-up menu, you click on it and it has a drop down menu that has I think, Normal, auto/attack, and Manual..... what do I do here, right now it's set to Normal.
 

luv4skating

Registered User
Well now I'm not in the red anymore and I have some wen to spend, 1000, and I'm in the player sign-up period, any tips for signing, trading, releasing, transfering players?
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
Setting your attack/defence to normal is ok.

Basically all that means is that you will be a bit more defensive when you don't have the ball, and a bit more attacking when you do.

If you have it on manual though, you will be in full control of how defensive, or attacking, you want to be. I'm not sure what the controls are on hte xbox, but on the ps2 you have to press L2 and R1 or 2 to adjust it.

you have little coloured squares under the player's name (during a match). These represent how attack or defence oriented your team is. When the coloured square is in the middle, you are balanced. The more to the right it is, the more attacking, and the further up the field you will play. And the opposite when to the left.

You should definately learn to play in manual eventually, as it gives you far more control over the tactics you want to employ.

For example, if you play in auto, you could be 1-0 up in the 85th minute, and then have the chance to counter attack. Now you will want to get forward, but obviously you wont want to risk being countered yourself and giving a sickener away in the last seconds. But in auto, the computer decides that when you have the ball, that you become more attacking. Whereas in manual, if you have your settings slightly more defensive, then you will stay pretty defensive even though you have the chance to attack. So you won't risk much.

The same thing can be said if you are chasing a game, but your opponent has the ball. If it is the 88th minute and you are 0-1 down, then even if your opponent is on the attack, you won't want to be too defensive because you are probably going to be willing to take a risk and stay quite attacking, and hope for a counter. In manual you can choose to keep your team's attacking gameplan. Whereas in auto it will put you more defensive when your opponent has the ball.

Hope that helps.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
As for the player signing period, to be honest, it's still a bit hit and miss I'm afraid. Especially on the ps2.

But the most important things to look for are definately technique, Teamwork, dribble accuracy, short pass accuracy, speed, and acceleration. Obviously you have to look for things which are specific to a player's position aswell, like tackling or shooting. But you want a team who is able to turn quickly (dribble accuracy & agility) , play accurate passes (short pass acc) , and not lose possesion of the ball (technique & Teamwork). Everything else goes from there. Stamina is also an issue, but if you have enough players then that shouldn't be a problem.

Do a custom search, and look players who are good in the above departments. I usually set the scale for each asset to 75-99.

A good tip is to set all the above parameters to 75-99, then knock one point at a time off the ones which are not so important to see if more players become available.

And also, when you do your search, and it tells you the amount of players which come under your search criteria, then select "sort by salary" from the menu which asks you how you what order you want the players to be listed.

Because you are in the lower division, you will not be succesful with transfers for the big players, and you should be looking for as many value players as possible anyway. So go to the lowest end of the salary first and start from there.

Use your players in part exchange, and discard those who you don't need, or are unlikely to be transfered. This will lower your salary by a lot. Don't be put off by having to pay a release fee. Because your end of season loss will be more than that if you keep them on.

Also, Before you start any dealings to bring players in, always remeber to put your shit players on the transfer list. The ones who are still there and nobody asks for should be released on the last transfer window. Give them four weeks to be transfered, and if nobody wants them then release them.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
cadburyho said:
Scous
Appreciate your analysis.
I did try with all kinds of formation to no avail. I struggled to win games.Even leading by 2-0 the next thing will see my team trailing. I played with 4 defenders in a form of a curve. It did not work..


Ahh. Well that's why the offside trap did not work then.

If you play your defence in a curve, then you will basically see your centre backs playing the opponent onside all the time, and this leaves your defence vulnerable.

Like I said above, play all your defenders in a perfect line. Do not move your fullbacks even a dot ahead of the centre backs. You will instantly see the difference when you play the game. Also remeber to have them all on the same defence settings.
 

luv4skating

Registered User
Ok then, I also heard about a star rating system when it comes to availible players, is that how you can decide which player you maybe able to pick-up on your team?
 

cadburyho

Registered User
ScousEvolution said:
Ahh. Well that's why the offside trap did not work then.

If you play your defence in a curve, then you will basically see your centre backs playing the opponent onside all the time, and this leaves your defence vulnerable.

Like I said above, play all your defenders in a perfect line. Do not move your fullbacks even a dot ahead of the centre backs. You will instantly see the difference when you play the game. Also remeber to have them all on the same defence settings.

Thanks mate.
 

ScousEvolution

Registered User
luv4skating said:
Ok then, I also heard about a star rating system when it comes to availible players, is that how you can decide which player you maybe able to pick-up on your team?

Yes. Basically the stars represent the likelyhood of a transfer being succesful. The higher you set it the better your chances are of being succesful.

I have to add, that I missed a bit of info out in my last response to you. Sorry.

Basicaly, I play in 6 start mode, and in this you can't choose how likely you are to be succesful in your transfer dealings. But in 4 star you should still be able to do this. So transfers are much more likely to be succesful for you than they are for me.

So go for it.
 
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