Does PES3 runs well on Non-Sony TV?
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to get the best picture from a ps2 you should use a RGB-scart-cable. i don't think the scart-connection is very common in usa, but it is nearly standard in europe. a scart-cable has 21 pins and can transfer among other things composite-video, s-video and rgb-video (s-video and rgb-video can't be transferred simultaneously since they share a pin). there is an official sony-made rgb-scart-cable but there are also a lot of third-party-ones that can be used with the ps2 (eg joytech).
to use rgb-video through the scart connection your tv has to have a scart-input that is rgb-compatible. most are, but on some (read cheap) tv-sets they may not be. i don't remember if you have to select rgb-output in the ps2-setup or if it works automatically though.
if you don't have the possibility to use rgb-video the next best thing is s-video which is the more common input in usa. again, ps2-compatible cables can be bought here and there.
the connector that comes with the ps2 uses composite-video which is noticeably worse than s-video and especially rgb-video.
composite = 1 pin transfers all video data -> "colour-bleeding", bad contrast, bad colours
s-video = 2 pins, one for chrominance and one for luminance.
rgb = 3 pins, one for red, one for green and one for blue. since the picture consists of these components, no convertion is needed by the tv to draw the picture
to get the absolute best picture tou should probably use component-video which is also available to use if you buy the appropriate cable, but component-input is only available at projectors and reeeally expensive tvs.
how big is the difference? in my opinion it is definitely big enough to spend some money on a rgb-scart-cable. MUCH clearer picture and brighter colours. I was able to use the same cable i bought for my ps1, but then I had to use the digital optical out to get sound from my stereo since on the ps1 there were also two analog audio-outputs (L/R) available som the scart-cable didn't need seperate audio output. well well.
the picture-enhancer you're talking about may be a so called linedoubler. the tv-signal is said so be 50 Hz (= PAL, NTSC = 60 Hz), but really it is only 25 Hz because even if the picture is in fact updated 50 times per second, only have the picture is updated at a time (first even lines, then the odd ones). this was probably a technical limit when the standards were set, but it isn't anymore. what a line-doubler does is that it takes a regular PAL/NTSC-signal and adds together the odd and even lines, creating a "full" picture and then sends it to the tv. this is called interlacing, and is how a 100 Hz-tv works. a line-doubler can only be used if your tv/projector can take a "progressive scan"-signal, such as vga.
someone said it might be increasing the resolution of the video, in that case using interpolation, but that would only work with tvs that can display a higher resolution than the standard (PAL = 576*420 i think, NTSC uses a lower resolution), and it wouldn't really make a big difference I think.
i wouldn't spend my money on the intensifier, just get a rgb-scart-cable.
btw, my keyboard is crap so have mercy if some characters are missing here and there... and do correct me if I'm wrong about what I wrote. well well, the time here in sweden is 4:30 am, time to go to sleep..?
to use rgb-video through the scart connection your tv has to have a scart-input that is rgb-compatible. most are, but on some (read cheap) tv-sets they may not be. i don't remember if you have to select rgb-output in the ps2-setup or if it works automatically though.
if you don't have the possibility to use rgb-video the next best thing is s-video which is the more common input in usa. again, ps2-compatible cables can be bought here and there.
the connector that comes with the ps2 uses composite-video which is noticeably worse than s-video and especially rgb-video.
composite = 1 pin transfers all video data -> "colour-bleeding", bad contrast, bad colours
s-video = 2 pins, one for chrominance and one for luminance.
rgb = 3 pins, one for red, one for green and one for blue. since the picture consists of these components, no convertion is needed by the tv to draw the picture
to get the absolute best picture tou should probably use component-video which is also available to use if you buy the appropriate cable, but component-input is only available at projectors and reeeally expensive tvs.
how big is the difference? in my opinion it is definitely big enough to spend some money on a rgb-scart-cable. MUCH clearer picture and brighter colours. I was able to use the same cable i bought for my ps1, but then I had to use the digital optical out to get sound from my stereo since on the ps1 there were also two analog audio-outputs (L/R) available som the scart-cable didn't need seperate audio output. well well.
the picture-enhancer you're talking about may be a so called linedoubler. the tv-signal is said so be 50 Hz (= PAL, NTSC = 60 Hz), but really it is only 25 Hz because even if the picture is in fact updated 50 times per second, only have the picture is updated at a time (first even lines, then the odd ones). this was probably a technical limit when the standards were set, but it isn't anymore. what a line-doubler does is that it takes a regular PAL/NTSC-signal and adds together the odd and even lines, creating a "full" picture and then sends it to the tv. this is called interlacing, and is how a 100 Hz-tv works. a line-doubler can only be used if your tv/projector can take a "progressive scan"-signal, such as vga.
someone said it might be increasing the resolution of the video, in that case using interpolation, but that would only work with tvs that can display a higher resolution than the standard (PAL = 576*420 i think, NTSC uses a lower resolution), and it wouldn't really make a big difference I think.
i wouldn't spend my money on the intensifier, just get a rgb-scart-cable.
btw, my keyboard is crap so have mercy if some characters are missing here and there... and do correct me if I'm wrong about what I wrote. well well, the time here in sweden is 4:30 am, time to go to sleep..?
cadburyho
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[if you don't have the possibility to use rgb-video the next best thing is s-video which is the more common input in usa. again, ps2-compatible cables can be bought here and there.
Thanks mate for the details. Yesterday I've managed to locate my Scart cable(yup, the one with 21pins) but there is no socket on my TV for me to plug it in. The same goes for the S-Video Cable, I could not find the socket too. Is there anything else I could do.By the way, I am having a Sony 29" TV.
Thanks mate for the details. Yesterday I've managed to locate my Scart cable(yup, the one with 21pins) but there is no socket on my TV for me to plug it in. The same goes for the S-Video Cable, I could not find the socket too. Is there anything else I could do.By the way, I am having a Sony 29" TV.
Milosh
Registered User
Here's something that might be helpful.
These are the standards that exist:
NTSC - National Television Standards Committee. The oldest existing standard, developed in the USA. First used in 1954. Consists of 525 horizontal lines of display and 60 vertical lines. Sometimes referred to as "Never Twice the Same Color." Only one type, known as NTSC M. Used generally in Japan, USA and Canada.
SECAM - Système Électronique pour Couleur avec Mémoire. Developed in France. First used in 1967. A 625-line vertical, 50-line horizontal display. Sometimes referred to as "Something Essentially Contrary to the American Method" or SEcond Colour Always Magenta!" Different types use different video bandwidth and audio carrier specs. Types B and D usually used for VHF; types G, H, and K for UHF; types I, N, M, K1 and L for both VHF/UHF. Different types are generally not compatible.
PAL - Phase Alternating Line. Developed in the United Kingdom & Germany. First used in 1967. Also a 625/50-line display. Proponents call it "Perfection At Last." Due to the cost of the enormous circuit complexity, critics often refer to it as "Pay A Lot". Different types use different video bandwidth and audio carrier specs. Common types are B, G and H; less common types include D, I, K, N and M. The different types are generally not compatible.
SCART (Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs) connector is used for combined audio and video connections.The connector is also known as Pertitel connector or Euroconnector.
SCART is designed for Europe market only and work on PAL-SECAM TV sets. It has 21pins and provides awesome picture quality, really sharp picture and great colours. However, not all PAL countries can use SCART. For example here in Australia SCART is RARE!
PS2 has normal VGA 480i resolution, which is basically 640x480. Some games support progressive scan, that is 480p. (Soul Calibur 2, JAK 2 etc...)
Unlike x-box which has 480i and p, 720i and p and 1080i resolutions.
(p=progressive, i=interlaced)
1080i is 1920x1080 resolution which looks amazing! However, microsoft has excluded this option on the PAL consoles from BIOS so only 480 is available. CRAPPY MICROSOFT!
In standard, interlaced analog TV, the picture on TV is changed 50 or 60 times (50Hz in Europe/PAL systems and 60Hz in most NTSC systems, including the American one), but the picture contains only every other horizontal line and the line between is left "empty". The next frame then contains only the horizontal lines missed in the last frame. So, therefor in interlaced picture, at 50Hz frequency, the picture actually changes only 25 times per second (so its framerate is 25fps).
But in progressive scan technology, every picture contains everything, so therefore 50Hz progressive scan video changes the picture 50 times per second, having the framerate of 50fps.
No to go back to the topic:
If you're not in Europe or if you do not have SCART input, the best picture quality you can get is from component video.
Component video transmits the picture from your PS2 to your TV in its purest form through three separate cables. This avoids multiple stages of modulation for the sharpest, brightest picture and game graphics possible.
One of the best cables to get is from Monstercable, here's the link:
http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/learnmore_game_ps2.html#
composite is US$69.95 with optic audio cable or with RCA autio US$49.95.
If you do not have either composite, SCART of s-video inputs on your TV sets, then you're stuck with either basic composite, or GOD NO antenna adapter...
CHEERS!
These are the standards that exist:
NTSC - National Television Standards Committee. The oldest existing standard, developed in the USA. First used in 1954. Consists of 525 horizontal lines of display and 60 vertical lines. Sometimes referred to as "Never Twice the Same Color." Only one type, known as NTSC M. Used generally in Japan, USA and Canada.
SECAM - Système Électronique pour Couleur avec Mémoire. Developed in France. First used in 1967. A 625-line vertical, 50-line horizontal display. Sometimes referred to as "Something Essentially Contrary to the American Method" or SEcond Colour Always Magenta!" Different types use different video bandwidth and audio carrier specs. Types B and D usually used for VHF; types G, H, and K for UHF; types I, N, M, K1 and L for both VHF/UHF. Different types are generally not compatible.
PAL - Phase Alternating Line. Developed in the United Kingdom & Germany. First used in 1967. Also a 625/50-line display. Proponents call it "Perfection At Last." Due to the cost of the enormous circuit complexity, critics often refer to it as "Pay A Lot". Different types use different video bandwidth and audio carrier specs. Common types are B, G and H; less common types include D, I, K, N and M. The different types are generally not compatible.
SCART (Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs) connector is used for combined audio and video connections.The connector is also known as Pertitel connector or Euroconnector.
SCART is designed for Europe market only and work on PAL-SECAM TV sets. It has 21pins and provides awesome picture quality, really sharp picture and great colours. However, not all PAL countries can use SCART. For example here in Australia SCART is RARE!
PS2 has normal VGA 480i resolution, which is basically 640x480. Some games support progressive scan, that is 480p. (Soul Calibur 2, JAK 2 etc...)
Unlike x-box which has 480i and p, 720i and p and 1080i resolutions.
(p=progressive, i=interlaced)
1080i is 1920x1080 resolution which looks amazing! However, microsoft has excluded this option on the PAL consoles from BIOS so only 480 is available. CRAPPY MICROSOFT!
In standard, interlaced analog TV, the picture on TV is changed 50 or 60 times (50Hz in Europe/PAL systems and 60Hz in most NTSC systems, including the American one), but the picture contains only every other horizontal line and the line between is left "empty". The next frame then contains only the horizontal lines missed in the last frame. So, therefor in interlaced picture, at 50Hz frequency, the picture actually changes only 25 times per second (so its framerate is 25fps).
But in progressive scan technology, every picture contains everything, so therefore 50Hz progressive scan video changes the picture 50 times per second, having the framerate of 50fps.
No to go back to the topic:
If you're not in Europe or if you do not have SCART input, the best picture quality you can get is from component video.
Component video transmits the picture from your PS2 to your TV in its purest form through three separate cables. This avoids multiple stages of modulation for the sharpest, brightest picture and game graphics possible.
One of the best cables to get is from Monstercable, here's the link:
http://www.monstercable.com/MonsterWired/issue13/learnmore_game_ps2.html#
composite is US$69.95 with optic audio cable or with RCA autio US$49.95.
If you do not have either composite, SCART of s-video inputs on your TV sets, then you're stuck with either basic composite, or GOD NO antenna adapter...
CHEERS!