General PES 2010 News

[shaun7]

^That engine takes care of all animations and physics. Those are a big part in a football game.
GTA iv even had the weight thing.
Notice this on a motorcycle. Heavy passengers makes the motorcycle heavier.
These sort of details are great even in a football game. Weight/strength thing.

 

[DublinGunner]

^That engine takes care of all animations and physics. Those are a big part in a football game.
GTA iv even had the weight thing.
Notice this on a motorcycle. Heavy passengers makes the motorcycle heavier.
These sort of details are great even in a football game. Weight/strength thing.

No, the game engine itself would incorporate elements of the physics engine to make certain things look/feel better. How the ball moves, how players interact, weather maybe - yes, but not much else.

Its the underlying controls that needed to be coded individually away from the actual physics engine that will ultimately determine how well the game plays.

i.e the PhysX and Havok engines. You couldn't make a game entirely with it, but it can be used to enhance elements of the game - just like this Euphoria or whatever its called.

And even still, just because an engine is capable of doing some of these great things - it doesn't mean its implementation is going to be good. An engine can't code itself into a game.

 

[cmccolgan27]

What needs to be done is:

get the game back to a modern day "ISS" thats where 90 percent of the fan boys fell in love with the game. sure it had shit graphics back then compared to FIFA but it was the way the ball moved the way the players responded to your commands, the way a shot has a chance to go in with luck and wasnt stuck on a pre coded course. wen fast players really were fast, when big players won the headers. when strong tacklers could win tackles. if they can get back to this style of play and incorporate a decent modernized indepth master league they will be on a winner.

if fifa can sort out their version if master league / manager mode and make the controls more responsive they will eat Poor Pro Evo for breakfast. Seriously i bought a ps3 second hand that is backwards compatible just so i can play ISS again. i have an 18 yo Henry up forward and owen with a shevchenko in his prime beautiful. if they just made the graphics better on this game it would be a hit again

 

[Amateur]

Even if it is true - its only a physics engine when you get to the nuts and bolts of it.

Their game engine will have to utilise it properly for it to make much of a difference.

TBH, I dont really care if a player falls 20 different ways is a match, if when I pass the ball it goes completely the wrong direction, or the player tips it a yard in front to the opposing striker when pass is pressed, or when you tackle a player with 'pressure', give away a fould and get sent off for no reason.

Let alone the fact that physics has nothing to do with fixing completely awful on-line play.

That's exactly what I'm thinking..

Konami can improve the movements, can implement new modes -but- if the Fundamentals remain unchanged, the gameplay will pretty much remain unchanged at its core.

In which case, I'm positive I will not buy a PES09 with better movements.. cause it would still have zero substance to it, the same shitty fundamentals.

There's no Art or Substance to defending, or passing, or dribbling. Which are very important aspects of Football.

When you are one-on-one against a defender, you have a ridiculous advantage over him, you have more explosiveness, and you can easily hold the R2 Close Control and then suddenly do one of those ridiculous 90ª turns.

It almost never fails, and all you have to do is the "fake-shot" which all the players seem to be good at.

When you are defending, what can you do or control exactly?? All I ever do is plain and simply -- Run, run, run, run, and when I'm very close to the target I release all the buttons.. it almost never fails, and it works with every individual, from John Terry to Roman Riquelme.

And as for the passing, it is the weakest aspect of PES09. You basically just pass the ball around until passes start going in the direction you want them to. You can barely even measure or direct the pass, and it feels like it is entirely assisted by the COM.

Better Physics will not change that on its own, more things also need to change.

Hopefully the New Engine, whatever that is, will come hand-in-hand with a host of New Stats and Controls.

 

[shaun7]

No, the game engine itself would incorporate elements of the physics engine to make certain things look/feel better. How the ball moves, how players interact, weather maybe - yes, but not much else.

Its the underlying controls that needed to be coded individually away from the actual physics engine that will ultimately determine how well the game plays.

i.e the PhysX and Havok engines. You couldn't make a game entirely with it, but it can be used to enhance elements of the game - just like this Euphoria or whatever its called.

And even still, just because an engine is capable of doing some of these great things - it doesn't mean its implementation is going to be good. An engine can't code itself into a game.

I know the physics and movements and animations are not everything but at least, it'll give the game a next gen feel.
But yeah, the whole game needs a rework because next gen games can handle a lot more.

 

[dan80]

i think its time this game had proper manual passing or an option for it even a power bar becaue passes dont go where u want them to and even shooting that needs a complete new animation and acually put the ball where u want it

 

[Dale C.]

Freestyleh,...I hate to say I told you so haha

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Good call Dale. I couldn't agree more. I keep thinking there is new info, but every time I check this thread it's just more of the same. Wastes my time, really. We are obviously not capable of having a real news thread on this site.

There hasn't been much news lately though, to be fair. At best, all we have is rumours right now. One thing that might be considered a pseudo-rumour which hasn't been mentioned yet is the new PK system in the wii version. Haven't tried it myself yet, but apparently it is expected that it will be carried over to the next gen consoles for 2010.

Anyone tried it?

 

[freestyleh7]

Lads it's march, 2009 only just came out 5 months ago.

 

[martyl2]

I don't think we should not expect much until June at least, we will probably see the 1st few screenshots then. For now there is really no point in taking these rumours seriously. Before pes 08 came out it was rumoured that pes 08 on the ps3 was "three times better than on xbox360 due to its blue ray capabilities" What a disaster it turne out to be!

 

[freestyleh7]

Sorry guys i know you keep looking at this thread expecting breaking news left right and centre but you need to remember like i said it's still only march pes 2010 is still in development these rumours are important because they could either be true or false, i will without a doubt post whatever news of PES 2010 i come across and i advise you to do the same if you know something that i dont know, but just be patient more news will be posted in time.

 

[zizou4ever]

That's exactly what I'm thinking..

Konami can improve the movements, can implement new modes -but- if the Fundamentals remain unchanged, the gameplay will pretty much remain unchanged at its core.

In which case, I'm positive I will not buy a PES09 with better movements.. cause it would still have zero substance to it, the same shitty fundamentals.

There's no Art or Substance to defending, or passing, or dribbling. Which are very important aspects of Football.

When you are one-on-one against a defender, you have a ridiculous advantage over him, you have more explosiveness, and you can easily hold the R2 Close Control and then suddenly do one of those ridiculous 90ª turns.

It almost never fails, and all you have to do is the "fake-shot" which all the players seem to be good at.

When you are defending, what can you do or control exactly?? All I ever do is plain and simply -- Run, run, run, run, and when I'm very close to the target I release all the buttons.. it almost never fails, and it works with every individual, from John Terry to Roman Riquelme.

And as for the passing, it is the weakest aspect of PES09. You basically just pass the ball around until passes start going in the direction you want them to. You can barely even measure or direct the pass, and it feels like it is entirely assisted by the COM.

Better Physics will not change that on its own, more things also need to change.

Hopefully the New Engine, whatever that is, will come hand-in-hand with a host of New Stats and Controls.

Exactly. And I go further!
In PES09, if you master the :R2: button (correct time for tapping after passing, shooting, crossing) and using it for dribbling, you basically win every single game.

Of course, when the CPU does not cheat... :realmad:

 

[Amateur]

Nobody really knows yet if Konami intends to only improve the movements and physics.

But one would think that it is only logical, that with 360ª movement and passing, we will have New Animations, animations that where not possible with 8-directional movements.

And I'm thinking, if the New Engine provides 360ª movements or physics, then it is only logical to have New Stats to determine all those New Animations.

Otherwise, if Konami does uses a New Engine which can provide fluid movements and animations -- PES will be back to the "pick up and play, fluid" game that it once was.

Question is, are "pick up and play games" good enough today?? After all, this are Next Gen Consoles, and many fans expect a more serious "simulation".

So with that in mind, PES 2010 could be very similar to PES6 and PES5. In that, it could turn out to be very addictive and entertaining.. but after giving it a good run, you'll get to see all the flaws with the game, the lack of Stats and the lack of Substance.

Which is something, that to date, Konami plain out refuses to implement -- More Substance..

In fact, it could be argued that Konami has actually taken substance out of the game; the AI doesn't makes the best off-the-ball runs, the passes are ridiculous in many occasions, defending requires zero Thinking now, etc, etc..

 

[Kevthedrummer]

Otherwise, if Konami does uses a New Engine which can provide fluid movements and animations -- PES will be back to the "pick up and play, fluid" game that it once was.

I disagree. FIFA was always "pick up and play" where as PES was a lot more difficult and a more accurate simulation, which you had to work on and get used to, which eventually became very rewarding in the gameplay.

This is what has been lost from PES on the next gen.

 

[Amateur]

I disagree. FIFA was always "pick up and play" where as PES was a lot more difficult and a more accurate simulation, which you had to work on and get used to, which eventually became very rewarding in the gameplay.

This is what has been lost from PES on the next gen.

Fair point, maybe you're right. But after so many years of playing them I just think they are closer to "pick up and play games" as opposed to a "serious simulation".

I mean, back in the PS2 PES was definitely Not a "pick up and play game". But I have grown past that, it's 4 or 5 years later, and Today I think that it is a "pick up and play game".

And FIFA was a complete disgrace, it wasn't Football, and as such shouldn't even be considered.

 

[jon_blade]

Interesting reading all the posts, I've been a PES player since ISS days and next-gen is abysmal.

There are lots of theories and suggestions but the most important recommendation to Seabass and Co. is this - chuck the next gen code in the nearest fucking bin and start over! I mean everything, from giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers, crap edit functions, pathetic online, useless camera angles, man the list could go on......

I hold out no hope at the moment and in my opinion, FIFA is only slightly better at present.

If another developer had the balls to create a new football game, then we may see others getting the kick up the arse they deserve......

 

[dan80]

they need to just take the risk for a new engine i mean it surley cant be worse than the last 2 next gen games

 

[sandaweches]

Interesting reading all the posts, I've been a PES player since ISS days and next-gen is abysmal.

There are lots of theories and suggestions but the most important recommendation to Seabass and Co. is this - chuck the next gen code in the nearest fucking bin and start over! I mean everything, from giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers, crap edit functions, pathetic online, useless camera angles, man the list could go on......

I hold out no hope at the moment and in my opinion, FIFA is only slightly better at present.

If another developer had the balls to create a new football game, then we may see others getting the kick up the arse they deserve......

Very nicely said mate. Totally agree. I really liked "giraffe players animations, breakdancing goalkeepers" )
that's soo true. and you forgot the AI too.

There is nothing about the next-gen version that is worth anything. and I agree that FIFA is better but still has its own crappy problems.

I think this whole thing about 200 extra workers and re-haul of the engine is just bogus. Since Seabass and the programmers at Konami don't see a problem with PES2009 because they actually released the damn thing, then that's where the problem lies.

and this whole crap going on in different forums about revolution vs evolution, what a load of garbage. The only revolution we'll see is that people for the first time will treat PES like how FIFA used to be treated before next-gen. sad really. Perhaps someone should tell Konami that people used to buy their games because of its gameplay and not because of the multi-million dollar advertisement campaigns with Messi and all over European stadiums!!!

HEY someone please send Gordan Ramsy to Konami and fix this mess!! please!!!!!!!! or as he would say "we're gonna make this a success, YES!"

 

[Amateur]

The only Football Sims worth playing IMO are PES6 or PES5.

FIFA09 and PES09 are both out of date.

If it wasn't for the "Blu-ray" thing, I would've sold my PS3 months ago. It really sucks.

But at least, Konami suffered their 1st significant drop in sales.. I hope that keeps increasing if Konami keeps producing the same garbage.

 

[freestyleh7]

Here's the thing i brought a next-gen (xbox360) console expecting better pro evolution soccer games but now i feel ripped off as i'm now playing pro evolution soccer 6 on the PC more then PES 2009 on the xbox 360.