Graphics query: advice required

[Sweey]

I can cleary see that you dont know what you are talking about....

Half of those cards with 256Mb RAM are just total spec gimmicks. Do you not realise that PC games runs of the system RAM and will only dip into the onboard RAm if systme RAM is in short supply.

For example a 9800 Pro 256Mb is pointless cos any game that requires a 256Mb gfx card, is not going to run decently on a 9800 pro anyways.

AND.

a 128Mb 9800 Pro is much more than adequate to run PES5 properly as also is a 6200 Geforce!

It seems to me that PES 5 is a grossly inefficient program with some very strange quirks in the way that it runs......

For example....me not being able to run it nicely on anything but maxed out resolution and quality level........This was the case till i binned my FECKING 8 YEAR OLD MONITOR and bought a spanking new 19" high res monitor.

PES5 simply does not offer high enough specs to run decently on my new monitor.

Stop talking out of your arse and provide some help instead of ill-informed stupidity.

Is your monitor a flat screen? If so did you take into account the MANY different attributes the monitor has and how they effect gameplay? Its approach to colour effects for example? There are many different ways that colour is dealt with, some better than others, and buying an expensive monitor doesn't necessarily give the best results. It seems you didn't look at these for one obvious reason: "PES5 simply does not offer high enough specs to run decently on my new monitor". That comment says it all.

 

[MatTheCat]

Stop talking out of your arse and provide some help instead of ill-informed stupidity.

Is your monitor a flat screen? If so did you take into account the MANY different attributes the monitor has and how they effect gameplay? Its approach to colour effects for example? There are many different ways that colour is dealt with, some better than others, and buying an expensive monitor doesn't necessarily give the best results. It seems you didn't look at these for one obvious reason: "PES5 simply does not offer high enough specs to run decently on my new monitor". That comment says it all.

ok fanny baws......you are showing yourself up to be even more clueless by the minute.....

PES5 will simply not budge from 60Hz. So if you try to run it at a higher frame rate.........the results will not be nice. Whilst many other games follow the same rule, they are at least robust enough not to just take your windows refresh rate as the GAME refresh rate.....

Sweewey, u dont know what u are talking about...simple as that.

Lee....my advice to you is to turn your windows refresh rate downn to 60Hz when playing PES5...it willrun sweet and crisp after that.

256Mb cards indeed!! lol

 

[Sweey]

You're boring me now. Once you've helped about 40 people out with various graphical glitches on various forums then you can say I MIGHT not know what I'm talking about. Until then, stop being such a spoilt little brat. The problem you're having is so blatantly easy to fix but you'd rather blame the game. Nice work.

 

[MatTheCat]

Look mate.....sorry to have jumped in with an insult....but the fact that you are were blazing on about 256Mb cards suggests you dont really know aht you are bleating on about........so would a 256Mb ATI 9200 be better than an 128Mb ATI x800 GTO? I am running Battlefield2 maxed out with a 128Mb Card ffs! even at the X800 level....256Mb RAM is no more than a gimmick.....i.e. makes not the blindest bit of difference with regards to performance. Anyone who knws anything will be able to tell you that.

And I have fixed the problem....and I do blame the game. PES5 needs to run at 60Hz...anything else simply will not do (unless you can run it at 120Hz!!) Now whilst most games automatically adjust the monitor refresh rate to suit, PES5 just takes your windows default refresh rate as the game default refresh rate which smacks of very shoddy and negligent workmanship as far as I am concerned.

Why should I have to adjust my screen refresh rate just to play friggin PES5?
Or why should I have to sit staring at my monitor at the migraine inducing 60Hz just so I dont have all the hassle to go through whenever I want a few games of PES.

Bad showing from Konami....really bad.......I bet there loads of people out there with perfectly adequate machines (it really dont need that much) running the game all jittering and jagged totally oblivious.

And lets not forget the non-existant support on their homepage!

 

[Sweey]

Yes but have you tried the same card - both 128MB and 256MB - on the same game? I have and noticed the difference. Not talking about PES5 in this case though, I'm talking more along the lines of games which demand good graphics cards, which may be where we're talking across each other. The gimmick is with 512MB cards which is where I agree with you. Those are, blatantly, not required at all at the moment.

I agree about Konami's support - it is awful.

 

[TimmNiceBut]

Please, Sweey, I'm begging you.

Whose the blond bird in your avatar? I see you removed her from your sig!

And stop fighting you two, you both have valid points of view, just different angles

 

[Sweey]

Her name is Faith

 

[LeeHinds1985]

Faith Who

Anyway the problem is not I can play on high but not low or medium, its the other way round m8 I dont think u saw it properly.

I am trying a spare 512mb stick but mine is DDR400 and the spare one my uncle has might not be the same model but I will try this weekend and if its not working right than I will buy a new one next week. If its still lagging (It better not) than I will have to look for a 6800 graphics card.

Bit lame just to play one game on high when everything else does.

 

[Sweey]

Certainly try the RAM first and if need be make sure you have 1GB of DDR400 RAM in before spending so much money on a graphics card.

As for Faith, don't know her surname but you can get a bit of a look at her on www.inbedwithfaith.com. Site needs more pictures as I've got tons compared to the relatively few on the site.

 

[TimmNiceBut]

Cheers Sweey!

Lee, let us know how you get on with the memory this weekend won't you?

Good luck

 

[MatTheCat]

Faith Who

Anyway the problem is not I can play on high but not low or medium, its the other way round m8 I dont think u saw it properly.

I am trying a spare 512mb stick but mine is DDR400 and the spare one my uncle has might not be the same model but I will try this weekend and if its not working right than I will buy a new one next week. If its still lagging (It better not) than I will have to look for a 6800 graphics card.

Bit lame just to play one game on high when everything else does.

b4 you go to any great expense or effort just to get this poxy game running, I will warn you that i bet your problem lies more with the inefficiency and total lack of robustness of PES5 other than any hardware limitations. Honestly, my mate has a GE-Force 5200, 512mb DDR PC3200 and he runs the game fine!

I have a much more powerful PC than him though and I have to go through elaborate manual tinkering processes b4 I boot PES5 up or it winnae work. 1st thing I got to do is go into the PEs5 setting and lower the resolution to 800*600 and quality to medium. THIS IS THE ONLY SETTINGS THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO LOAD THE FRIGGING GAME UP......anything else and it just crashes. Then when I am in the game I can pump everything up to max! 2nd thing is that UNLESS I lower windwos refresh rate to 60Hz......the game jitters and jutters like hell! But when I set windows refresh rate to 60Hz....game runs super crisp.

PES5 on PC really is no more than a dricet port from the PS2 with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING else done to ti to improve performance or make it a bit more robust for PC owners. This game deserves to be bootlegged. Why should anyone pay £30 for a lame product like this?

although the game itslef is immense!

 

[Sweey]

I guess I'm lucky that I've never had any problems playing Pro Evo, except for playing a demo of PES4 with a poor quality graphics card on a low-end test computer. It had to be run on low settings.

I'd agree that we've got a direct port of the PS2 version - the crowd issue wasn't fixed and the PC version freezes if it detects more than 8MB of saves (be it games or replays etc.) on one "memory card" despite the PC having no such limits apart from the size of the hard drive.

 

[MatTheCat]

So I am going to upgrade to 1024mb ram, so along with that which graphics card would you suggest I would need to get to play it on HIGH from this site:

Forget that RS supplies site Lee (if u can)

cos they dont have this card....

http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=12819

The Sapphire X800 GTO2 is probably the best card that you can get if you combine performance and value for money. The X800 GTO2 is basically a failed X850 chip wiith the potential for overclocking it to perform at near X850 standards. Also, it is possible to enable 16 pixel pipelines as opposed to the factory default of 12.

If I could buy my card again (I just bought bog standard X800 a few weeks ago....which is still pretty decent), I would buy this one!

(it will set you back around £140 btw depending on whom u order it from.....also depending on your ATX, you will prob need a convertor cable for the 6 pin external power socket on the card.....so that would be another few bucks)

i really would highly recommend this card to anyone. Me and a mate of mine have near identical computers, except he has this card and I have standard X800 128Mb GTO. Needless to say, his PC pishes all over mine when it comes to running games! The onyl difference is the gfx card.....he only paid £20 more than I did!

gutted.

 

[bigbrooklynlou]

I have a low end nvidea and what I found is that you need to go into the settings for the card and create a profile for we.exe (or whatever the program is named for you).

Once you have the profile created, TURN OFF ALL the features for the card that in any way shape or form hindrance performance. Ignore card based quality settings - let WE/PES manage the graphics quality.

Before I did this, the grass was blurry, there was massive lag, the game would stutter, and everything just looked horrible. For some reason, by letting the card do its thing, you in effect do the work twice. I/m running it on a 5600 and the only annoyance I have is a slight barely perceptable lag when the card starts to heat up. I plan on adding some extra heat sinks this weekend to clear that problem up.

 

[Sweey]

*has never had any problems* :tumble:

 

[watty1877]

Try going to nvidia's website and download the latest drivers. Helped me a while back on my old machine.

The game should have no trouble running on the specs youve given.

 

[flakmonkey]

my 6600gt runs everything 1024X768 on full and 8X AA and 16X AF.. full graphics with very smoooth gameplay.

cough *6600gt oc'd to 613/1210* cough.

 

[LeeHinds1985]

Got the ram but still no smooth high mode gameplay.

Im not going to be able to splash out on an amazing new card, maybe a 6600GT is what I will get, unless I can squeeze it up to a 6800 but no more.

I would like to try and do what Lou said though and create a new profile or something, can someone walk me through this so I dont balls it up

 

[flakmonkey]

Got the ram but still no smooth high mode gameplay.

Im not going to be able to splash out on an amazing new card, maybe a 6600GT is what I will get, unless I can squeeze it up to a 6800 but no more.

I would like to try and do what Lou said though and create a new profile or something, can someone walk me through this so I dont balls it up

a 6600gt will do VERY fine. =)

unless you have PCI-Express then go for a 6800GS.. for $250 AU. overclocks to Ultraspeeds very well. too bad it's only 12pp

 

[TimmNiceBut]

I've got all 16 pipes on the 6800 standard. Unlocked them with RivaTuner