Guardian PES 2010 Preview

[Ballist1x]

Where's the variety in your game? PES, just as FIFA, I believe, isn't enjoyable if you lack variety.

my variety is supplied by my opponent.

if he feels he can get cheap goals by exploiting the fact that 9/10ths of wingers are faster and more agile than wingbacks and get down the wing, whip in a ball he knows is undefendable to guarantee a goal, then he will.

i like variation, BUT when a game rewards not varying and instead sticking to a rigid, whip it in, G'Tee a goal, then what is the incentive for my opponent to pass and move and do anything else?

thats what makes it so boring:/

like i said, i tried a demo on top player (WE10) vs Italy... they scored 3 goals... all crosses 2 headers 1 volley, all 'unstoppable' when they went through the middle they failed to score....

anyway, its pretty obvious to me that crosses/headers are Overpowered for want of a better word, in that they require so little skill, and reward so heavily with goals.

when u feign the keeper out, it takes skill, timing, you have to avoid the tackles etc. When u chip a keeper, it is skill, a double button press combined with the weighting of the chip itself, plus the accuracy.. i.e great risk of it not pulling off..

with a cross u can do it robotically each time and get a goal... i already explained why, because a, defenders dont mark, b, goalkeepr cant stop a crossed ball, c, headers go on target with little user response other than to press square.

 

[Rasmus]

^ What do you mean exactly in double tap+header almost a guaranteed goal?

 

[shaun7]

Haha let him play SUPERSTAR level.. then we'll see ....
When compared to previous PES an additional difficulty level is added as "superstar" so that is normal that REGULAR becomes easier when compared to prior..

BTW, in demo, I like Superstar level a lot... (WE demo) .. nothing is scripted. Everything changes dramatically... in one match I can beat 2-0 and with same team I can lose 1-0 afterwards.. Thats what I liked.. Everything is on ur hands and depends on ur skilll

Well said.

Il be bashing it straight on the highest level, i cant really remeber but im sure regular didnt used 2 be this easy.

TBH, ceysin is right, but I think he messed up the difficulties. Maybe. Because Regular in we 10 demo or pes demo isn't that easy. But anyway, maybe ceysin is right.

 

[twisteddeeds]

my variety is supplied by my opponent.

if he feels he can get cheap goals by exploiting the fact that 9/10ths of wingers are faster and more agile than wingbacks and get down the wing, whip in a ball he knows is undefendable to guarantee a goal, then he will.

i like variation, BUT when a game rewards not varying and instead sticking to a rigid, whip it in, G'Tee a goal, then what is the incentive for my opponent to pass and move and do anything else?

thats what makes it so boring:/

like i said, i tried a demo on top player (WE10) vs Italy... they scored 3 goals... all crosses 2 headers 1 volley, all 'unstoppable' when they went through the middle they failed to score....

anyway, its pretty obvious to me that crosses/headers are Overpowered for want of a better word, in that they require so little skill, and reward so heavily with goals.

when u feign the keeper out, it takes skill, timing, you have to avoid the tackles etc. When u chip a keeper, it is skill, a double button press combined with the weighting of the chip itself, plus the accuracy.. i.e great risk of it not pulling off..

with a cross u can do it robotically each time and get a goal... i already explained why, because a, defenders dont mark, b, goalkeepr cant stop a crossed ball, c, headers go on target with little user response other than to press square.

but surely you can't base an opinion on a game from unfinished code?... either that or try fiddling around with the settings for defense etc. you're reasoning is a little bit 1 dimensional.. if you can control your defense why dont YOU cover/ block the cross..

either that or you aren't varying your own style of play.. and the ai has worked a way round your own tactics

 

[Ballist1x]

hm its what you call a 'cheese play goal' though it doesnt matter what my defence does, eventually their fast winger is going to get down the flank, whips in ball, defence cant deal with it, keeper has a complete 'mare... GOAALLLLLLLL!

that is just so completely wrong and not what PES should be about. it rewards the CPU ineptitude.

but surely you can't base an opinion on a game from unfinished code?...

its been the same on the last few PES games tbh. the unstoppable cross.

in real life, take a normal winger, chances are 1 in 3 crosses will be decent. even with a decent cross there is a high percentage it will get cut out/not land on a strikers head. a chance the keepr will save it.

on last few PES and this demo... 80% of crosses are exceptional, most find the head of the target man, defenders never intercept, goalkeeper never saves.

personally i play through the middle with skill, passing, positioning. i try so hard for a full match to 'beat' down my opponent with nice football.. then he just tonks it down the wing every time and scores because it is almost unstoppable..

surely you must see that somethng is wrong here?

 

[thearsenal]

hm its what you call a 'cheese play goal' though it doesnt matter what my defence does, eventually their fast winger is going to get down the flank, whips in ball, defence cant deal with it, keeper has a complete 'mare... GOAALLLLLLLL!

that is just so completely wrong and not what PES should be about. it rewards the CPU ineptitude.



its been the same on the last few PES games tbh. the unstoppable cross.

in real life, take a normal winger, chances are 1 in 3 crosses will be decent. even with a decent cross there is a high percentage it will get cut out/not land on a strikers head. a chance the keepr will save it.

on last few PES and this demo... 80% of crosses are exceptional, most find the head of the target man, defenders never intercept, goalkeeper never saves.

personally i play through the middle with skill, passing, positioning. i try so hard for a full match to 'beat' down my opponent with nice football.. then he just tonks it down the wing every time and scores because it is almost unstoppable..

surely you must see that somethng is wrong here?

mate, i don’t want to undermine you, but it is very possible to cut out these so called 'double tap or cross guaranteed goals'. What i have always found about Pes is that it requires in depth, clever and composed play, whether attacking but more evidently in defending. sure, sometimes the a.i will outflank you down the wings, maybe on a counter, and you will be left in a near uncompromising situation whereby you are outnumbered in the box and you can't cut out a cross-goal. However, with deliberate play by pressuring the A.i with square (PS3) and marking a man in the middle (etc), you can combat this. It does require pertinence and obviously, ability.

I really don't think it is as bad as you say.

 

[Winger]

All of this fails to explain why I have never been undone by such a method (double tap-cross, header) when playing any number of my numerous friends, or other aquaintances. And there are those who prefer that style of play. Sure, I have conceeded goals in that manner, as with the others, but, never on such a regular occurance that it has stood out as a game breaker.

The only thing I have ever classed as undefendable would have been the over-the-top ball at times. I've never had much of a problem with crosses. If your full-back gets beaten then switch player and focus on marking up on the targets in the box, rather than chasing in vein to try and stop the winger who has already beaten you.

 

[twisteddeeds]

another possibility could be what camera angle you use.. default can be hard to see a good area of the pitch.. try changing it even... so you can see whats going on in the box if you do get beaten

as far as im aware u can control players off the ball also.. so if the winger does get the cross in.. why not control someone in the box to block off/ intercept.. the player making runs into the box..

 

[Ballist1x]

hm im not sure.. usually i try to cut the cross out by positioning my man inside of the crosser, lot lunging in, or sliding but in a position where if he crosses he has to thit my player and deflect off of him. if this fails chances are its a goal!

however i know if i misplace my guy and the cross makes it in, its lights out. if it goes for a corner, its not as bad, but its not good.

i guess my issue is when the cpu spams crossed goals (or human player spams crossed goals) because they are so much easier to score than any other way?

 

[minou3]

If you do not have time to block the crosser, try to bring your player inside of the running man into the box, the target. It is harder to hit a man with a defender in front of him, isn't it?

Trying to help

 

[twisteddeeds]

thats the beauty of pes.. just like real football theres so many factors in every situation that you have to take into consideration.. and its working around what you are doing as a player to fix inconsistencies in you're own style of play... to make you a better player of the game.

everyone plays differently but the community helps each other out.. don't take everything as criticism of how you play.. take it on board next time your in a game.. if you change the way you play and it doesnt work keep at it.. and you'll get it

what i'm trying to say and a few others in this thread have stated different methods of handling one specific move (the double tap cross) try out some of the suggestions until you get what suits you best

 

[shaun7]

About the unstoppable cross.
Yes it is an issue, but guess what, there is a way to get over it. Pes 2010 gives you more control on your defence so just hit L1 to select a defender that is covering a player and cover him carefully yourself and then press square and if you positioned him right, you can take the ball and the attacker AI won't score. It needs some practice though.

 

[Winger]

I don't try to block the cross all that often, unless I have a player keeping pace with the winger. More often I have a look into the area if the camera angle permits, if not, then I have a quick glance at the radar. I then select the defender closest to whatever opposition player is in the area and has the most free space, as he is clearly the biggest danger. If he is marked up, then unless the ball goes to another, the chances of conceeding plummet.

The A.I. are a bit wayward when left to mark up both main threats in the box (there are usually at least two; either two forwards, or a forward and a midfield runner) but if you take control of one centre back and take out one of those threats, then the A.I. usually does okay against the other. Sometimes your opponent doesn't even pay attention to who you are marking and will simply cross near or far based on random choice.

If you know the style of the opponent you're playing against, ie; if they seem to cross to the far post or the near post more often, or look to put it back to the edge of the area, etc, it helps predict what they're going to do better. For instance. I know if I let one friend run with his winger, if he has already beaten my full-back, he won't cross the ball as he'll know I'm going to be marking up in the box, so he then makes a direct run to the goal, either to try a "surprise" shot from a tight angle, or look to pick out a more accurate short pass, which allows time for more of my players to flood the area and close up the space. If he has someone like, say, Drogba in the area, though, he'll cross the ball anyway, and leave it up to a battle of aerial ability between Drogba, and say, Vidic, even if Vidic is stuck to him like glue.

 

[Ballist1x]

okay cheers guys ill have another go with renewed tactics and see what i can do!

 

[sgmullins]

I have had a few goals scored against me like this in the past, but to be honest it's mainly due to me not moving my cursor quick enough to a player in the box to cut the cross out. It can certainly be done though, a friend of mine tries to run down the flanks to get crosses in everytime we play, sadly he has not got the brain to be able to go through the middle,lol

 

[Mr Darkstar]

Excitment as release date draws ever closer! Can not wait! :ninja: