For me compared to where PES was on PS2 to now ........PES sucks major balls....but year after year i am here just hoping ....
The problem with PES is that Konami does not want to reinvent PES and instead is going down slowly but steady, year after year. That's not to say that FIFA is better, because FIFA is more or less the same shit.
The fact that the Wii version of PES offered something new to the gamer, and yet the PS3 versions of PES does not offer anything new.... says it all. Seabass is in charge of the PS3 version of PES, but Seabass is not in charge of the Wii version of PES.
I do not like to say it, because I enjoyed video games like PES5 and PES6 a great deal, but Seabass does seem to be out of ideas. It's year 2011 and Seabass still has not found the way of reinventing PES.
And obviously, PES12 will be more of the same bullshit. No movement within the space. Scripted gameplay (they call it "Active AI" now). Stupid defensive system. The usual minor tweaks. It's just not good enough anymore.
I am 35 years old now and play footies from my 12th year. I have played them all…., i had more than 20 different footies on my Amiga 1200.
In that time World of Sensible Soccer was the absolute bomb. I still not understand why either Fifa or Konami didn’t copy that concept. For people who remember those days they will know what i mean..
Then later ISS came. The best footy year after year with an unique control.
ISS was fantastic. In that game were already gameplay features i still miss today in Pes.
For example, did you know you could control the keeper completely in ISS? U could switch the cursor to your keeper, come out on the goal and press the button when you wanted your keeper to dive. In the beginning it was really hard but after enough practice it was defenately possible to become better than the AI keeper.
When the ISS series ended there were two options to choose at.. Pro Evolution or Fifa. For a real footy expert the choice was pretty easy. Fifa is, especially due to the First 10 seasons, no option. Its just not the game to play hundreds of hours, not exciting enough.
Pes was always better but they just dont understand to improve it to the next level. One year they have a good improvement, the next year its out.. You just cant figur out the logic if you look back at all these changes year after year. Lack of strategy. And thats why i doubt it will ever become a footy how it should be at 2012.
To be honest i really hoped there would come a new “competitor” , an alternative for Pes and Fifa. A footy programmed by an European team who always were Pes addicted. I have the idea the Japanese just dont understand to make it perfect.
Fully agree with you. I also am hoping that a third party exposes PES and FIFA as outdated and simplistic video games.
Though the great thing about PES. Is that even if it is exposed as the scripted bullshit that it is. It will still sell, because it's easy to play, it's pick up and play, it's cheap entertainment.
The other great thing about PES. Is that it never actually evolves. That's why so much emphasis is placed on the Pro EVOLUTION Soccer. Because it's clearly sarcastic.
Konami is not genuinely interested in making a better game. That much is obvious after so many years of redundant tweaks and tweaks that amount to nothing. PES is the perfect money maker. Konami can always justify the lack of progress by saying that certain improvements would destroy the precious player individuality.
ISS was better than PES. PES is a dumbed down version of ISS. And I expect to see a dumbed down version of PES somehere in the next four years. It's the dumbing down of the genre. I just hope that a third party comes up with the hardcore footy sim sooner rather than later.
