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I've had enough of this!!!!!! pes4 is way better than 5!!!!!!

Trance_Allstar

Registered User
Stardusted: I know what you mean when you say you feel like the game is cheating.

Often I have found myself in situations when playing that are just weird.

For example, after making the 1-0 goal on level 5 and playing for a while more, all of a sudden my players, like on cue, start missing stuff. First one miss a pass completely, then one is going to receive the ball and just sort of bounces it off his foot out to a throw in. Or they all of a sudden get noticeably slower in dribbling and movement (even players who's stamina is way up).

It feels like there is some built in "favor" mechanism. Like for example is I am leading the match with 1-0, the game all of a sudden decides to put some pressure on me and starts favoring the other side. My players all seem to drop down to the blue downpointing condition arrow, and the other team have a field-day (often making the 1-1 equalizer). It's like the game is really trying to emulate the perhaps normal shifts in pressure and tempo in real matches. Except it sucks since you have no control over it. And the point of playing a videogame is to have control, I don't want to sit there and feel controlled by the game.



As for the overall changes in PES5, I am actually in favor. The game plays so much more like the real thing. HOWEVER, there are some things that are really weird.

For example, some moves are quite slow to make things harder. I am talking for example of the animation for turning sideways when you have quite some speed. I realize that they intentionally made this animation a bit slower to make sure that turning while having alot of speed would be harder and slower than while having a slow speed.
But as it is now it looks really weird, the player seems to go into some sort of slomo sequence when compared to some of the other animations in the game (for example just running with some players, their legs move at like a 1000 miles per hour). There is just so much difference in speed between some of the animations. The most accurate thing I think would be to time real-life moves and match those to the PES game. For example time a move that Ronaldinho does (just turning with the ball or smtn) and then time a slow non-technical player. That way they could model the game after real-life tempos.

Now things just seem exaggerated just to make some things really hard to do.
 

cooperd1

Registered User
Kevthedrummer said:
not another thread! You're all rubish at PES! Get over it! Stop making excuses

im good at it.....i think ive only lost about 3 games....but it definitly has faults, like they say, through balls are pretty much pointless, the first touch of some players are abnormally bad, for example, Henry, if you ever watch him play, someone passes him the ball, he can run onto it without problem, on the game, pass him the ball he runs onto it, he then inexplicably, pushses the ball about 10 yards infront of himself, and then either the keeper comes out and picks it up, or he ends up racing after it with a defender.....who beats him to the ball....a defender, beating Henry......doesnt seem quite right to me.

Also the fouls are a joke most of the time, players seem to be running shoulder to shoulder with each other, one out muscles the other and gets to the ball first, this is then deemed a foul, which it wouldnt in a real game. In the Premiership anyway.

Anyway, i still play it, im still good at it, i can still dribble my way through a team on occasion despite what people seem to be saying. Its still alright as a game, but people seem a bit overly defensive about it if people criticise, maybe they should get over it aswell.
 

Trance_Allstar

Registered User
Kevthedrummer said:
not another thread! You're all rubish at PES! Get over it! Stop making excuses



I don't see this being about how good or bad we are at playing PES5. I never claimed to be the best player. All I can claim is that I have been with the series since PES2 for the PS, and I have played every instance after that. And there is where my observations I posted just above come from. This has nothing to do with the fact that the game was made to be harder then the last (which I like since I was just maxing out on the last one).

It just bothers me that they seemingly sacrificed realism over making it extra hard. If they take great care in moddeling the game after real-life movements and such, the game will automatically be well-balanced. Atleast that is what makes sense to me.

Again, for the record, I am not making excuses, and I don't believe I need to, I am average at PES5, I kick my friends' ass most of the time, but that is about it. But I should note that me not being uber at the game is not about inexperience, but rather dedication if you will. I play some matches now and then, got a ML going with a friend, and that's it. But I do believe that I have played the games enough to comment on the gameplay.
 

Disco Pants

Too Busy Working to Post
Stephen753 said:
how does pes 5 cheat? how about the fact that no matter which team i am brazil/england/peru etc. i can pass the ball through the eye of a needle 75% of the time but the second i get in the opponent 18 yard box, my player passes it to a defender (this is 6*) even if i have 4 attackers and only 1 defender. or why deflections 7/10 times go to the opposition either when im attacking or when im defending. lets face it. konami cant program decent AI. the only way i loose or concede a goal and loose a match 1-0 or win 1-0 is by the computer team rewriting the laws of physics and cheating. and WHY do the opposition have the momentum of a small planet when tackling my players and sending my men sprawling with no foul but when i tackle somone my guy still falls over? rubbish. sometimes i have a good game but sometime the cpu just doesnt want you to win................


and this is the very reason you go back and play it over and over again, it has you hooked to go back and beat that team and 'try' to hammer the next team you play. These are the reasons you say you hate it but go back for more anyway. I respect the people that say its crap and have put it in that Dust pile with all your other games cos they feel that strongly about it 'cheating' As you all know football isn't about 100% passing, players do actually pass to the other team, the very nerve of Konami to put this "so called fault" in the game.

"Me passing to another team its Ludicrous!!"
 

Franko

Registered User
Ehh, maybe some of you are right :p PES4 was much easier to play, but as for me I prefer 5 because it consists in a challenge :)
In 4 you could just pass the ball over the defender and watch your CF run over him (Like M.Owen making J.Stam going down? Ridiculous :\ ) and run to the goalie...very simple football to me :p
But yes, the AI is rubbish and I think it always was, not because of the trough passes bla bla, but the way the cpu attacks and plays; how many times have you seen the ball going into the edge of the field and your dumb cpu opponent runs into it and you gain a throw/corner? Or how many times have you seen a cpu player that was obviously off-side and his team mate just ignores it and passes to him? That's what I don't like in pes. But that's why I'd rather play against a real human opponent :p much funnier and realistic because he thinks.
And also been practicing the R3 button to make trough passes, trust me ;) works great.
My advice, find a skilled human player to play with you :p have fun
 

AgentZero

Registered User
seriously...i am tired of seeing these dumb thread dissing PES5.....you know what NO ONE CARES that you're crap or can't score.....after the first million people tend not to...why can't they just add their pending frustration on an already existing thread that is similar...instead of having the same topic on a trhead for the umpteenth time
 

al_psal

Registered User
I think that Pro 5 is good. It's just different, and it requires "real" football awareness to make it happen. The realism is in high levels, and it's just that what Pro is about. Otherwise there's always Fifa.

My only objection is that there are too many fouls, and at some times, some REALLY annoying penalties can make you go wild.
 

GO-GO-GOAL!

Registered User
Stephen753 said:
how does pes 5 cheat? how about the fact that no matter which team i am brazil/england/peru etc. i can pass the ball through the eye of a needle 75% of the time but the second i get in the opponent 18 yard box, my player passes it to a defender (this is 6*) even if i have 4 attackers and only 1 defender. or why deflections 7/10 times go to the opposition either when im attacking or when im defending. lets face it. konami cant program decent AI. the only way i loose or concede a goal and loose a match 1-0 or win 1-0 is by the computer team rewriting the laws of physics and cheating. and WHY do the opposition have the momentum of a small planet when tackling my players and sending my men sprawling with no foul but when i tackle somone my guy still falls over? rubbish. sometimes i have a good game but sometime the cpu just doesnt want you to win................

GO-GO-GOAL! said:
get to know the manual pass little boy and........F--K it Ican't be asked to speak to you any more

:laugh:
 

Granulated

Registered User
I think 5 is much better than 4.(even though I've only scored 7 goals in 6 (15min 5* Master League Div2) games, so far !)

If you think the throughballs suck, then try and master the manual passing.

I've had no problems with shooting.

I love the new sound effects and as for the online play...well.. bar the occasionally annoying disconnection, it's just awesome !

Incidentally, does anyone know if when you're online, you can actually be playing a PS2 user ?
Also..why do so many mainland Euro's use the UK server ? (im not racist...it's just annoying that nearly everyone you play ends up being in France and has a dodgy ping!)
 

Trance_Allstar

Registered User
GO-GO-GOAL!: Manual passes are not analog, which is another thing I think needs fixing right away.

Passes are 8-way. However, that excludes L-Crosses, and "B" ("circle") lob passes when the pass method in controller settings is something other than method nr. 5 ("lob passes are handled manually" is stated for method nr 5, in other words not AI assisted).


What that means is that there is modes that "helps" you aim the long passes properly, but they seldom end up where I want them (I sometimes might want to pass a long pass into space in front of a player on the wing, to have my AI controlled cross go directly to the player.


All this could be sorted easily by simply implementing full analog control over passes. The PS2, the Gamecube and the Xbox all have analog sticks, so it doesn't make any sense that they haven't done that yet.

I have had some tryouts with FIFA just for fun, and the passes in there have a whole other dimension (obviously, that is about it for FIFA advantages afai am concerned).

Also, the manual pass stick (right stick on Xbox and PS2) is also digital (8-way) for ground passes and lofted manual passes. Which doesn't really make them "manual" in my opinion.


In a sport where the margins are often very tiny they cannot afford to not have analog passing. With a pass over say 40 metres, the margin of error is just enormous compared to analog. This is one of the things I am constantly battling with PES, since I more often than not have to actually move my player into a certain position on the pitch just to have a straight line to one of my players.



Don't get me wrong, I am not bashing PES, I love it, it just bugs me how many things they could easily fix to make it that much better (In My Opinion). :)
 

Protein

New Member
I think the worst feature in this game is the foul, it is even made worse than PE4. And the worst foul is done by the referee, who just keep on stopping me from passing threatening balls!!!
 

Kevthedrummer

Alive in the superunknown
Protein said:
I think the worst feature in this game is the foul, it is even made worse than PE4. And the worst foul is done by the referee, who just keep on stopping me from passing threatening balls!!!

when you get used to the game, you soon get around the 30 whistles per second problem. How long have you had PES5?
 

swift_zed

Registered User
They could have made a better release in the year they were working on it. What they did was instead of dribbling normally its like ur holding the special dribble button down and walking. I dont like it. The momentum takes ages to start for the players and they are often slow. The gameplay is different from pes4 , even the superstars cant just dribble thru a few defenders...So no more fancy shots...all the goals can be boring ones now. Bring back pes 4 with updates i say. The cpu is annoying on pes 5. Im playing on 5 stars and its $#@@$##@
 

flakmonkey

Registered User
arca33 said:
^^^^^^^^
Is that in English?? lol:D
sorry haha my english isnt so good.. >.<

to the complainers:

you guys are just wasting your time making useless threads complaining to people on forums about how much pes5 cheats or whatever. well one thing is YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYWHERE! the game will still be the same.

JUST GO AND PLAY PES4 IF YOU ARE FED UP WITH PES5!

seriosuly. what do you expect us to do??? all we can do is agree and disagree with your complaints.
 

timcclayton

Registered User
To all those pr1cks here who seem to love PES5 and hate threads being created against their little baby, this is the reason the threads are being created:

All of us who think PES5 is pants want other people to know this, so that perhaps those other people will think twice before wasting their money on it. Oh, and we're probably venting our spleens as well, because it is such an annoying game.

What amazes me is how many threads there are concerning this. It is quite damning for PES5 and I hope Konami sit up and take notice.

Fat chance.
 

deftonesmx17

Registered User
timcclayton said:
To all those pr1cks here who seem to love PES5 and hate threads being created against their little baby, this is the reason the threads are being created:

All of us who think PES5 is pants want other people to know this, so that perhaps those other people will think twice before wasting their money on it. Oh, and we're probably venting our spleens as well, because it is such an annoying game.

What amazes me is how many threads there are concerning this. It is quite damning for PES5 and I hope Konami sit up and take notice.

Fat chance.
Do you really think Konami will take notice of people who do such things as call people who really like the game "pricks"? :rolleyes:
 

Jake Small

Registered User
"What amazes me is how many threads there are concerning this. It is quite damning for PES5 and I hope Konami sit up and take notice.

Fat chance."


Yeah, because listening to bitch threads in forums is a good way to make a great videogame.

I think Konami can see just fine where the legitimate gripes are.

There are lots of threads because people who are pleased don't feel the need to go around trying to justify their opinion.
 
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