Konami, please take action, or we take action!

[gooderz]

so who is right in all of this.... there's only one way to find out...

FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!


seriously though, the bitching and moaning people get pissed off with happens every new release. some people want to get their head down and figure out how to play the game, and others want to tell people whats wrong with it. i've found with every version of PES or ISS, if you stick at it, you'll crack it, and when you crack it you'll get into it, and then you'll get greedy for it and you'll want it everyday....

sorry i watched scrooged the other day...

 

[RAMAXWY]

Fair enough.. that's your opinion and I should respect it.

But I just don't see How PES09 is better than either PES6 or PES5. I've posted my Reasons in the "PES09 vs PES6" thread.

And it wasn't my intent to insult you or anything. It's just that Labeling a group as "moaners" really annoys me. It's limiting in so many ways.

I mean, yes there are moaners who don't do anything else besides moaning. But there are also moaners who are true fans of this series, they criticize the game because they want the game to get better.

About the Stats, I couldn't agree with you more. And I really appreciate that at least someone in this forum remembers all the times I've suggested that New Stats would make the game even better.

For one thing, I expected a lot of New Stats by now. But PES09 doesn't offers anything Significantly new.

As for the engine, maybe I'm mistaken.. but I think the engine haves a lot to do with the player movements.

And to be fair, I don't think PES09 is helpless, the game does haves some nice touches.. but I do think PES09 is average at best. I prefer PES6 or PES5.

FIFA09?? There's something I still don't like about that series, for one thing the Stats are mostly Irrelevant to the gameplay. The only positives for me is that the movements Look good, and although sluggish, it feels more fluid than PES09.

But like you, I prefer good gameplay to good Visuals.

Anyways, here I am moaning about PES09, trying to generate constructive criticism, because I think it can only help this series for the better.

hey don't get me wrong ok when u compare it to PES6 i think u have a few valid points because that game also was the best game i've played , period.
somehow even this one can't compare to that ,but when u compare it to FIFA it shocks me. PES09 is the closest thing to PES6 and unlike u after playing this one i just can't go back because except for the animations i think everything else is still there . especially when u edit you're teams stats the game becomes great, the lighting, the linesmen, the nets after you score a goal, the grass on the pitches ( altough they could have given us a few more patterns), the ball physics, the option files(never patched a PES game ) and the champions league anthem.
i just can't go back.
something else u've mentioned that i also agree with is the fact that it's not as addictive as PES6.
but for me i wonder if it has got something to do with my situation at the moment and i guess we all can judge that for ourselves .in the
PES6 era i was single, living in a large apartment with a lot of spare time and friends coming over all the time but now all that's changed i'm in a relationship living together with less and less spare time also because of my job.
so is it really less addictive or are we just growing up and now also have other interests and responsibilities?.

 

[gooderz]

but now all that's changed i'm in a relationship living together with less and less spare time also because of my job.
so is it really less addictive or are we just growing up and now also have other interests and responsibilities?.

same as, but last year my work changed to a shift pattern so if i'm working lates one week and dont have to haul my sorry ass out of bed till 11, i can sit up in my pants till 3, 4am playing while she is sound asleep look into shift work mate it's blinding!!!! also, you can get in some un-interrupted quality babestation time

 

[RAMAXWY]

RAMAXWY, not only you are the PES veterans. We are too. You don't think that just because we are veterans, we must not give negative comments about PES or Konami. Or just because we give negative comments, we are not loyal veterans.

Like I have said : KONAMI DOOM because have consumers like you. Let's see, is Konami dare to repeat, I'm sure Konami will loss it's consumer very soon. but they will still have their unreasonable and supporters like you.

I have play PES and Winning Eleven for almost 10years boy. I only play two games in so many years. One is Tekken, one is Winning Eleven / PES. I have been supporting Konami for all these years. But I just can't agree that PES09 is an improved version. PES09 has so many OBVIOUS FLAWS! Yet the "self call veteran" just BLINDLY ignore the obvious flaws, yet claim that this is the best version!!??!!!

CAN you claim this is the best ever version, which there is so many OBVIOUS FLAWS in the game?????? Wow, just can't believe it.

Anyway, I think talk to people like you is stupid, is a waste of time. BECAUSE YOU CAN CLAIM PES09 IS A GREAT GAME DESPITE SO MANY OBVIOUS FLAWS, OBVIOUS FLAWS WHICH OBVIUOSLY AFFECT THE GAME PLAY. Obviously, you are unreasonable, blindly.

Again, although I have not touch FIFA for almost 10years, I still respect FIFA. I think we should respect them. And I also think that FIFA's supporter should respect us. But I know, some people will just ignorant. We always see this type of people. Just like RAMAXWY.

Maybe you are right, and we are wrong. no point for us to further argue. What we write here is what we have experienced after so actives play for one month. We are not making baseless judgement. The flaws is there for you to see. It is obvious.

What will happen if Konami makes the AI to decide when to pass or when to sprint or when to shoot? Now, the AI already automatically do a rough tackle without your command. doesn't this is stupid? The passing is awful. And the running is unbelievable. As I already mentioned, I already saved a few replays, to prove my points. I am a Die Hard Fan of Winning Eleven. And I only play two games in recent years. tekken = 40%, Winning Eleven = 60%. I love Winning Eleven. Not that I don't like Winning Eleven. Because I love this game, I am sad when we encounter so many flaws in WE2009. Seriously, It really affect the gameplay. Haiz...really hope that Konami repair all the flaws before launch a product in future. we all hope so.

have u been to the sites i posted for you ?
well if you've been to these sites for the first time then sorry my friend in my eyes you are not a PES veteran.
also comments like " why don't you edit all the stats to your liking and giving your favorite player 99 for all his stats don't help you very much because if you really played this game that long the meaning that the stats have would have been obvious.

you still respect FIFA well hell yeah i respect them too it's the game that sucks and i also respect the people that buy them because it's their taste and there is nothing wrong with that.
but i must say if you want me to take you serious as a football fan and especially one who also plays the real game then telling me that you love FIFA football games isn't the way to do it.
and thank god for demo's because last year i bought into the hype and bought FIFA and it sucked big time even though it has improved it still was worse then the worse PES game ever created.
KONAMI is doomed well my friend i think so too but not this year but if you ask me who i think will win this battle in the end i would have to say my money is on FIFA because they already have everything else so if they can get the gameplay right then it's buy buy KONAMI for me but untill then PES09 is my game and i'm llllllllllloooooooovvvving it.

 

[RAMAXWY]

same as, but last year my work changed to a shift pattern so if i'm working lates one week and dont have to haul my sorry ass out of bed till 11, i can sit up in my pants till 3, 4am playing while she is sound asleep look into shift work mate it's blinding!!!! also, you can get in some un-interrupted quality babestation time

:lol: yeah i know what you mean i also work shifts my man and their is nothing like a little me time when u're alone i agree

 

[WEFORLIFE]

Happy new year to all of you! Just wish Konami good luck. We beg Konami to produce improve gameplay. We love Konami PES.

 

[ykl]

Happy new year to all of you! Just wish Konami good luck. We beg Konami to produce improve gameplay. We love Konami PES.

I think konami won't listen us, i'm from asia, i know their culture and how they work...the japanese have great confidence and strong pride among themself. Since pes09 has sold more than million copies in the market, i don't think that konami will care what we are discuss here. For next pes series they might fix the online flaws and add some additive as future development priority......happy new year to you..

 

[WabeWalker]

Wow, I find this game to be just brilliant.

Slowing your controlled player right down is the key to this game. Doing this actually allows you time to think.

When you're passing the ball slowly, via build up play, the run-ons from your team-mates are superb - much better than in FIFA. I've experienced moments of such sheer creativity while playing this game that I felt like I was playing the real thing.

This game has got the pacing just right - you move both fast and slow, depending on the circumstances. I love slowing the game right down to a crawl and playing a possession game, but I love catching my opponent out as well, and hoofing it up the field and blistering in on goal... just amazing the way you can do both.

Best football game I've ever played. Can't stop playing. Might turn into a serious problem.

 

[harjot]

100% agree i use to be a fifa fan all my life but then i said lets give pro evo 09 a chance so did most of my friends but i regret my decision i just want to punch the game makers in the face cant you release an update to fix all this or something i can say that fifa 2004 is better then this PES 09 please take action

it is ok game but fifa 09 kills this it puts it to sleep its too good

 

[Amateur]

Wow, I find this game to be just brilliant.

Slowing your controlled player right down is the key to this game. Doing this actually allows you time to think.

When you're passing the ball slowly, via build up play, the run-ons from your team-mates are superb - much better than in FIFA. I've experienced moments of such sheer creativity while playing this game that I felt like I was playing the real thing.

This game has got the pacing just right - you move both fast and slow, depending on the circumstances. I love slowing the game right down to a crawl and playing a possession game, but I love catching my opponent out as well, and hoofing it up the field and blistering in on goal... just amazing the way you can do both.

Best football game I've ever played. Can't stop playing. Might turn into a serious problem.

Yeah, but that's the thing that ruins this game the most, it is too SLOW, tactically. Players like Riquelme or Zidane, they can create TIME for themselves and their team mates.

But when you can do this with Kaka, or Robinho, or Adriano, or any other player who doesn't haves That Ability.. it just ruins the game, it's too unrealistic.

The Time and Space on the pitch is too much to be considered realistic, you can basically eat at the same time you slowly build your way into an easy lead. I think a proper Football Sim should inherently force you into thinking faster.

Still, for all its flaws, PES09 shows a lot of promise, IF only we could get graphics and responsiveness and feeling on the same package.

 

[trigglebeef]

have u been to the sites i posted for you ?
well if you've been to these sites for the first time then sorry my friend in my eyes you are not a PES veteran.
also comments like " why don't you edit all the stats to your liking and giving your favorite player 99 for all his stats don't help you very much because if you really played this game that long the meaning that the stats have would have been obvious.

you still respect FIFA well hell yeah i respect them too it's the game that sucks and i also respect the people that buy them because it's their taste and there is nothing wrong with that.
but i must say if you want me to take you serious as a football fan and especially one who also plays the real game then telling me that you love FIFA football games isn't the way to do it.
and thank god for demo's because last year i bought into the hype and bought FIFA and it sucked big time even though it has improved it still was worse then the worse PES game ever created.
KONAMI is doomed well my friend i think so too but not this year but if you ask me who i think will win this battle in the end i would have to say my money is on FIFA because they already have everything else so if they can get the gameplay right then it's buy buy KONAMI for me but untill then PES09 is my game and i'm llllllllllloooooooovvvving it.

If you bought Fifa 09 and played it for a couple of months then you'd realise EA have got the gameplay right. Just like Pro Evo always has, Fifa takes time to really get into. I haven't played Fifa since 98, and have been playing PES/ISS for 15 years since the very first one on the SNES. Add to this, i probably had a 90% win record against a large circle of friends (and their friends), so i'm a decent player. Because of my complete allegance to PES, and because i was so used to the Pro Evo style, when i first played the Fifa 09 demo I thought it was shit. From there i downloaded the PES demo and just played that, thinking it was far superior to Fifa still.

After a couple of weeks of playing the PES demo and semi-enjoying it (not as much as the old ones on the PS2 though), Fifa got released and the prospect of 10v10 online and the various other online features made me think i'll give it a go. Since that day i haven't looked back. I still bought Pro Evo and put some time into it, hoping that it would grow on me and prove itself to still be the king, but it just hasn't happened. I still now slam it in about once a week hoping that it'll suddenly rediscover the old PES magic, but each time after 1-2 games i just think "Shit the bed, Fifa is SO SO SO SO SO SO much better now."

The graphics are better, the passing is better, the AI is better in the way that if you actually watch off the ball movement by the attacking and defending side, it all makes sense. Pro Evo is full of manic runs, with no logic behind the player's movements.

The manual passing, shooting, crossing etc. are great in Fifa too, give it an added depth and something else to master. I especially enjoy manual crosses, as they allow you to pick out players outside the box for volleys etc. Quality.

I'm also bcoming a bigger fan of the dribbling and trick sticks. For a month and a half i couldn't take anyone on. It's still kind of difficult now, but i'm making clear improvements, and on the hardest difficulty setting i can now use a couple of tricks effectively and actually take players on without the tricks as well. This is very very hard and requires a lot more precision than PES, but is so rewarding.

Now don't get me wrong, Fifa still has flaws that are frustrating, and i haven't written this to completely kiss it's ass. The responsiveness is still a little slow at times, although the more you play it the more responsive it feels. The cut scenes for goal celebrations etc. pre-programmed and not in-game graphics, which sucks. Eg. the CPU scores a late goal to cut your lead to 2-1, the player runs off to the crowd to celebrate, then it cuts to them fishing the ball out the back of the net to get it back to the half way line. And finally, the ball hits the woodwork too much!!! I can live with these faults though, because overall it offers a much closer representation of real football, and a more varied game, than any other football title ever released.

 

[Tech_Skill]

If you bought Fifa 09 and played it for a couple of months then you'd realise EA have got the gameplay right. Just like Pro Evo always has, Fifa takes time to really get into. I haven't played Fifa since 98, and have been playing PES/ISS for 15 years since the very first one on the SNES. Add to this, i probably had a 90% win record against a large circle of friends (and their friends), so i'm a decent player. Because of my complete allegance to PES, and because i was so used to the Pro Evo style, when i first played the Fifa 09 demo I thought it was shit. From there i downloaded the PES demo and just played that, thinking it was far superior to Fifa still.

After a couple of weeks of playing the PES demo and semi-enjoying it (not as much as the old ones on the PS2 though), Fifa got released and the prospect of 10v10 online and the various other online features made me think i'll give it a go. Since that day i haven't looked back. I still bought Pro Evo and put some time into it, hoping that it would grow on me and prove itself to still be the king, but it just hasn't happened. I still now slam it in about once a week hoping that it'll suddenly rediscover the old PES magic, but each time after 1-2 games i just think "Shit the bed, Fifa is SO SO SO SO SO SO much better now."

The graphics are better, the passing is better, the AI is better in the way that if you actually watch off the ball movement by the attacking and defending side, it all makes sense. Pro Evo is full of manic runs, with no logic behind the player's movements.

The manual passing, shooting, crossing etc. are great in Fifa too, give it an added depth and something else to master. I especially enjoy manual crosses, as they allow you to pick out players outside the box for volleys etc. Quality.

I'm also bcoming a bigger fan of the dribbling and trick sticks. For a month and a half i couldn't take anyone on. It's still kind of difficult now, but i'm making clear improvements, and on the hardest difficulty setting i can now use a couple of tricks effectively and actually take players on without the tricks as well. This is very very hard and requires a lot more precision than PES, but is so rewarding.

Now don't get me wrong, Fifa still has flaws that are frustrating, and i haven't written this to completely kiss it's ass. The responsiveness is still a little slow at times, although the more you play it the more responsive it feels. The cut scenes for goal celebrations etc. pre-programmed and not in-game graphics, which sucks. Eg. the CPU scores a late goal to cut your lead to 2-1, the player runs off to the crowd to celebrate, then it cuts to them fishing the ball out the back of the net to get it back to the half way line. And finally, the ball hits the woodwork too much!!! I can live with these faults though, because overall it offers a much closer representation of real football, and a more varied game, than any other football title ever released.

Sorry but this post is spot on. At the end of the day, PES 2009 just is not a realistic interpretation of modern football. ISS PRO EVOLUTION all the way to PES 6 were without doubt the best football games money could buy, but pes 2008/9 are a backward step, if you watch a real game of football than watch a game of pes 2009, the player animations and movements are very unrealistic and games tend to turn into end to end automated sequences.

PS. I, like yourself had copies of fifa and pro 2009 on XBOX 360 and PS2, so i put time into both before making my decision.

That in itself tells you there are problems with pro, years ago, i didnt even research the game or think about comparing it other games, i simply went to my independant store and got a copy of pro evo before it got released and never looked back.

 

[RAMAXWY]

If you bought Fifa 09 and played it for a couple of months then you'd realise EA have got the gameplay right. Just like Pro Evo always has, Fifa takes time to really get into. I haven't played Fifa since 98, and have been playing PES/ISS for 15 years since the very first one on the SNES. Add to this, i probably had a 90% win record against a large circle of friends (and their friends), so i'm a decent player. Because of my complete allegance to PES, and because i was so used to the Pro Evo style, when i first played the Fifa 09 demo I thought it was shit. From there i downloaded the PES demo and just played that, thinking it was far superior to Fifa still.

After a couple of weeks of playing the PES demo and semi-enjoying it (not as much as the old ones on the PS2 though), Fifa got released and the prospect of 10v10 online and the various other online features made me think i'll give it a go. Since that day i haven't looked back. I still bought Pro Evo and put some time into it, hoping that it would grow on me and prove itself to still be the king, but it just hasn't happened. I still now slam it in about once a week hoping that it'll suddenly rediscover the old PES magic, but each time after 1-2 games i just think "Shit the bed, Fifa is SO SO SO SO SO SO much better now."

The graphics are better, the passing is better, the AI is better in the way that if you actually watch off the ball movement by the attacking and defending side, it all makes sense. Pro Evo is full of manic runs, with no logic behind the player's movements.

The manual passing, shooting, crossing etc. are great in Fifa too, give it an added depth and something else to master. I especially enjoy manual crosses, as they allow you to pick out players outside the box for volleys etc. Quality.

I'm also bcoming a bigger fan of the dribbling and trick sticks. For a month and a half i couldn't take anyone on. It's still kind of difficult now, but i'm making clear improvements, and on the hardest difficulty setting i can now use a couple of tricks effectively and actually take players on without the tricks as well. This is very very hard and requires a lot more precision than PES, but is so rewarding.

Now don't get me wrong, Fifa still has flaws that are frustrating, and i haven't written this to completely kiss it's ass. The responsiveness is still a little slow at times, although the more you play it the more responsive it feels. The cut scenes for goal celebrations etc. pre-programmed and not in-game graphics, which sucks. Eg. the CPU scores a late goal to cut your lead to 2-1, the player runs off to the crowd to celebrate, then it cuts to them fishing the ball out the back of the net to get it back to the half way line. And finally, the ball hits the woodwork too much!!! I can live with these faults though, because overall it offers a much closer representation of real football, and a more varied game, than any other football title ever released.

you are telling me that the game u are playing is nothing like the demo if i'm reading correctly.
i'm gonna have to take your word for it then because i haven't played the retail version yet and i refuse to get sucked into the hype like last year because it sucked big time in my opinion and i almost couldn't sell it.
the problem i have with your statement is that you said "pro evo is all about manic runs,with no logic behind the players movement". you lost me at that moment because then you must've been playing another game and then FIFA will seem better.
to convince me FIFA is better in every area so i can even think off buying it, you will have to brake it down like you gave the example with the trick stick.
you said it was difficult (which i agree with)but that when u master it it's great( that's what dribbling is like in reality).
i think that KONAMI screwed up there because they removed the trick stick and made it too easy to complete fancy dribbles and that's wrong.
but you don't have to be a great dribbler too beat a defender that's also the case in real football. you can just slow your pace down and make it appear that your going one direction and suddenly with a burst of speed go the opposite wrong footing your defender and passing him in the end.
that is just experience and timing KONAMI have captured that very well.
and that is my oppinion about KONAMI and FIFA games.
KONAMI has got the basics right in the sense that if you are a football fan and if you espacially play the real game then PES comes natural to you and most things in the game make sense.
FIFA on the other hand is all about the glitter in football the hype, fancy dribbling moves, overhead kicks and all the other things that make a few players the stars they are but that don't make up all that football is about.
because i must be able too win a match without a great dribbler in my team and without scoring a goal after beating 3 or 4 defenders, also my goal doesn't always have to be stunning it can be a lucky one or i can sometimes be proud off a nul-nul because i worked for it and beating a team like BARCELONA with RECREATIVO should take a lot of effort and doesn't have to be glamorous.
when a game has all these limitless possibilities to complete a match then u can appreciate it much more when u've done it in style because it doesn't happen to often when u score a overhead kick and your striker beats 3 or 4 defenders before lobbing the keeper etc etc.
so when u tell me FIFA is better then please help me, in what way and be specific because if the stats for the teams and the individual players don't matter and every team and every player can do just about everything what defines the difference?.

 

[Tech_Skill]

you are telling me that the game u are playing is nothing like the demo if i'm reading correctly.
i'm gonna have to take your word for it then because i haven't played the retail version yet and i refuse to get sucked into the hype like last year because it sucked big time in my opinion and i almost couldn't sell it.
the problem i have with your statement is that you said "pro evo is all about manic runs,with no logic behind the players movement". you lost me at that moment because then you must've been playing another game and then FIFA will seem better.
to convince me FIFA is better in every area so i can even think off buying it, you will have to brake it down like you gave the example with the trick stick.
you said it was difficult (which i agree with)but that when u master it it's great( that's what dribbling is like in reality).
i think that KONAMI screwed up there because they removed the trick stick and made it too easy to complete fancy dribbles and that's wrong.
but you don't have to be a great dribbler too beat a defender that's also the case in real football. you can just slow your pace down and make it appear that your going one direction and suddenly with a burst of speed go the opposite wrong footing your defender and passing him in the end.
that is just experience and timing KONAMI have captured that very well.
and that is my oppinion about KONAMI and FIFA games.
KONAMI has got the basics right in the sense that if you are a football fan and if you espacially play the real game then PES comes natural to you and most things in the game make sense.
FIFA on the other hand is all about the glitter in football the hype, fancy dribbling moves, overhead kicks and all the other things that make a few players the stars they are but that don't make up all that football is about.
because i must be able too win a match without a great dribbler in my team and without scoring a goal after beating 3 or 4 defenders, also my goal doesn't always have to be stunning it can be a lucky one or i can sometimes be proud off a nul-nul because i worked for it and beating a team like BARCELONA with RECREATIVO should take a lot of effort and doesn't have to be glamorous.
when a game has all these limitless possibilities to complete a match then u can appreciate it much more when u've done it in style because it doesn't happen to often when u score a overhead kick and your striker beats 3 or 4 defenders before lobbing the keeper etc etc.
so when u tell me FIFA is better then please help me, in what way and be specific because if the stats for the teams and the individual players don't matter and every team and every player can do just about everything what defines the difference?.

What the fuck?

Have you actually played the game properly, on fifa its ridiculously hard to get past one player let alone 2/3.

This aint the place to go in depth about fifa, if you got into the 'i hate PES 2009 thread' you will see very detailed explainations on why fifa has improved this year.

I would look in there.

Ps. Why do you need someone to convince you FIFA is better, we aint fucking jehovah's witnesses mate, play both games properly, than make an informed decision without that fanboy mentality. Thats all you need to do, and if after all that, you still honestly think PES 2009 is the best, good luck to you.

The problem here is that you got a bunch of people talking shit about a game they aint even played properly.

 

[trigglebeef]

What the fuck?

Have you actually played the game properly, on fifa its ridiculously hard to get past one player let alone 2/3.

This aint the place to go in depth about fifa, if you got into the 'i hate PES 2009 thread' you will see very detailed explainations on why fifa has improved this year.

I would look in there.

Ps. Why do you need someone to convince you FIFA is better, we aint fucking jehovah's witnesses mate, play both games properly, than make an informed decision without that fanboy mentality. Thats all you need to do, and if after all that, you still honestly think PES 2009 is the best, good luck to you.

The problem here is that you got a bunch of people talking shit about a game they aint even played properly.

Well said mate. All i can say to the guy before is that a 0-0 on Fifa is far more rewarding than a 0-0 on PES, the CPU on legendary mode requires 100 percent concentration all the way through the game to keep out. They attack very intelligently and will immediately take advantage of any gaps you leave. I never get too worried about giving the CPU space in Pro Evo because 95 percent of the time it's too damn stupid to muster up a flowing and precise attacking move.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Well said mate. All i can say to the guy before is that a 0-0 on Fifa is far more rewarding than a 0-0 on PES, the CPU on legendary mode requires 100 percent concentration all the way through the game to keep out. They attack very intelligently and will immediately take advantage of any gaps you leave. I never get too worried about giving the CPU space in Pro Evo because 95 percent of the time it's too damn stupid to muster up a flowing and precise attacking move.

Too be honest, world class is the limit for me, the AI is so bloody hard to tackle once you play the top teams, perhaps im not that great on it, im not sure, for me, i find professional to be the right balance for me, but all power to you to be able to play on legendary, because your right, the AI makes alot of intelligent runs so you have to be on guard all the time.

 

[trigglebeef]

Too be honest, world class is the limit for me, the AI is so bloody hard to tackle once you play the top teams, perhaps im not that great on it, im not sure, for me, i find professional to be the right balance for me, but all power to you to be able to play on legendary, because your right, the AI makes alot of intelligent runs so you have to be on guard all the time.

I'm currently top of the league with Arsenal on legendary, i'm just doing a premiership season. I've won 9 drawn 2 lost 3. Some games are nigh on impossible to win i reckon, the CPU just defends so well! I send runners all over the place, play proper one touch intricate football, but they track everybody superbly. It's like Arsenal in real life, thwarted by compact defences that stays behind the ball. If i can grab the first goal though, i often go on to win 3-4 nil. Bear in mind i play 20 minute matches!

 

[trigglebeef]

I'm currently top of the league with Arsenal on legendary, i'm just doing a England League season. I've won 9 drawn 2 lost 3. Some games are nigh on impossible to win i reckon, the CPU just defends so well! I send runners all over the place, play proper one touch intricate football, but they track everybody superbly. It's like Arsenal in real life, thwarted by compact defences that stays behind the ball. If i can grab the first goal though, i often go on to win 3-4 nil. Bear in mind i play 20 minute matches!

Talking about intricate passing moves, i love that on Fifa you can imagine a move consisting of multiple give-and-go's between 3-4 players all the way up the pitch, and then execute it if you get everything right. Your CPU teammates are intelligent enough to understand your ideas, and being able to control them going on off the ball runs makes it all the more delightful.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Talking about intricate passing moves, i love that on Fifa you can imagine a move consisting of multiple give-and-go's between 3-4 players all the way up the pitch, and then execute it if you get everything right. Your CPU teammates are intelligent enough to understand your ideas, and being able to control them going on off the ball runs makes it all the more delightful.

Definitely, i really think that game is the only logical step in terms of playing a great football game post PES 6, EA have actually payed homage to pro evolution by taking so many of their ideas, this in itself shows pro evolution was superior over the last few years, but fifa has taken these ideas and taken them forward with other great innvovations.

Honestly i have yet to play a game which gives you so much control over the way you dictate play.

I think konami should take some of ea's ideas, especially with the weighted passing, cos i dont really wanna have to go back to just pressing a button and having it done for me.

 

[RAMAXWY]

What the fuck?

Have you actually played the game properly, on fifa its ridiculously hard to get past one player let alone 2/3.

This aint the place to go in depth about fifa, if you got into the 'i hate PES 2009 thread' you will see very detailed explainations on why fifa has improved this year.

I would look in there.

Ps. Why do you need someone to convince you FIFA is better, we aint fucking jehovah's witnesses mate, play both games properly, than make an informed decision without that fanboy mentality. Thats all you need to do, and if after all that, you still honestly think PES 2009 is the best, good luck to you.

The problem here is that you got a bunch of people talking shit about a game they aint even played properly.

here we go again with the angry words.
tell me why do you get so angry because i disagree with you and why the harsh words.
i tought we had a decent discussion going but hey if you can't argue why FIFA is so great ok then just say that.
because that FIFA has been catching up to PES is something that i've been hearing every year now and made the mistake once of buying into it last year . it was a waste of money.
i won't visit the thread you told me too because i don't hate PES09 and i refuse to read all the pages just to understand you , that would be a waste of my time.
i played the demo and my question to you just simply was : is it that much better compared to the demo and last year's effort but i guess you fanboy eyes didn't catch that.
i asked you this because the possibilities in PES are endless and FIFA always bores me after a week.