Letter To Konami

[Dale C.]

You know ,thats the most intelligent thing i've ever seen you say byond...

Definately make sure it reaches market research...that is...if they even have a market research

 

[alonCFC]

You know ,thats the most intelligent thing i've ever seen you say byond...

Definately make sure it reaches market research...that is...if they even have a market research

believe me they do. maybe later i will look at the credits option in PES and seartch for the names of market research.

 

[Amateur]

Don't warry.. This letter will not be just plain letter.. I am making analize too, couse my real job is about that.. I am recording what everyona says, making graphs about that, i will give them info, what is the priority they never seen before.. Most important is, that people have to be active.. More of you will write and vote, better.. So far it was only five of them which vote about scripting, but belive me, if there will be 15 - 20 of us, than this letter will have big weight.. Three important thing is to keep it crowded, keep it organised, keep it with possible solutions..


I will give you example with your elaborations.. I came here, i checked your constructive criticism, but i don't wanna read it.. Reason? It is too long, it is only opinion of the one pesron and it is un-organisated.. On the other hand he will come on this thread, he will directly read what we want and go..

You know what the difference is, I give ideas.. in here I have barely seen any ideas or suggestions.

It isn't fitting to organize ideas like you do. For one thing your asking about "physics" but I am thinking about other aspects of the game. So it's better to just organize it when you have enough ideas, which you don't have.

That said, I really do appreciate that someone is willing to organize some things and get serious about it. All I'm saying is that I haven't read anything interesting around here. If I was a developer at Konami I would not read through this. But that's just me.

Maybe programmers like things spoon fed to them, I really don't know. What I do know is that I haven't seen any ideas in this "letter to Konami". Good luck with that.

Maybe your guidelines will eventually turn into ideas, who knows??

And just a suggestion of mine, instead of just asking for ideas about the Physics.. Why don't you give yours first?? Maybe that would help bring ideas forward.

 

[alonCFC]

You know what the difference is, I give ideas.. in here I have not seen a single idea or suggestion.

It isn't fitting to organize ideas like you do. For one thing your asking about "physics" but I am thinking about other aspects of the game. So it's better to just organize it when you have enough ideas, which you don't have.

That said, I really do appreciate that someone is willing to organize some things and get serious about it. All I'm saying is that I haven't read anything interesting around here. If I was a programmer at Konami I would not read through this. But that's just me.

Maybe programmers like things spoon fed to them, I really don't know. What I do know is that I haven't seen any ideas in this "letter to Konami". Good luck with that.

And just a suggestion of mine, instead of just asking for ideas about the Physics.. WHY don't you give yours first?? Maybe that would help bring ideas forward.

all the things you said are wrong.
you didnt see a single idea or suggestion? look at the first post or look through the pages- there all a lot there.
a proggramer in KONAMI wont read through all this, thats why we are sending them all the ideas in one page, not all the side thoughts.
i think if he had an idea he would wright it. are we doing him a favour by posting ideas? i think this is for our sake and not just for fun. everyone who has an idea can post here...

 

[Amateur]

all the things you said are wrong.
you didnt see a single idea or suggestion? look at the first post or look through the pages- there all a lot there.
a proggramer in KONAMI wont read through all this, thats why we are sending them all the ideas in one page, not all the side thoughts.
i think if he had an idea he would wright it. are we doing him a favour by posting ideas? i think this is for our sake and not just for fun. everyone who has an idea can post here...

IMO those are just guidelines, those aren't ideas. I can see you have a different opinion as to what an idea is.

And again, you can send it to them, but how do you know if they even read them? I think the forums are always here, they can look for ideas whenever they feel like it.

Why do we have to send them a list of guidelines??

I just find it completely irrelevant for the reason stated above. Hopefully I'm wrong and it does makes a difference sending them ideas, considering they cannot search through the forums.

 

[byondthought]

You know ,thats the most intelligent thing i've ever seen you say byond...

Definately make sure it reaches market research...that is...if they even have a market research

lol, maybe your only just starting to understand me..!

 

[alonCFC]

IMO those are just guidelines, those aren't ideas. I can see you have a different opinion as to what an idea is.

And again, you can send it to them, but how do you know if they even read them? I think the forums are always here, they can look for ideas whenever they feel like it.

Why do we have to send them a list of guidelines??

I just find it completely irrelevant for the reason stated above. Hopefully I'm wrong and it does makes a difference sending them ideas, considering they cannot search through the forums.

we cant be totaly sure that KONAMI will read this, but its better than nothing, no? i dont axpect them to do all of the complicated tech stuff like super AI but maybe the mall things like training mode like previous editions or tricks old controls and stuff like that...

 

[Amateur]

we cant be totaly sure that KONAMI will read this, but its better than nothing, no? i dont axpect them to do all of the complicated tech stuff like super AI but maybe the mall things like training mode like previous editions or tricks old controls and stuff like that...

Yeah, it could be better than nothing, in my opinion it isn't.. The forums are here, Konami said they would look through them, I just don't see the need of literally "sending" them ideas.

I do expect "super AI" because I know that a Next Gen Console is capable of that. But perhaps Konami just doesn't haves enough resources to make a proper Next Gen Game. Or perhaps they have just been lazy for the past couple of years. Fact remains that FIFA is progressing, whereas PES isn't.

Maybe I expect too much from Konami.. but I'm tired of the same old PES, I thought it would've "Evolved" by now. Which is why I'll give FIFA a serious try, if it grows on me I'll stay with it because at least its progressing.

Maybe I'll buy PES 2013, as I think the series will be back on top "eventually" and slowly.

 

[alonCFC]

Yeah, it could be better than nothing, in my opinion it isn't.. The forums are here, Konami said they would look through them, I just don't see the need of literally "sending" them ideas.

I do expect "super AI" because I know that a Next Gen Console is capable of that. But perhaps Konami just doesn't haves enough resources to make a proper Next Gen Game. Or perhaps they have just been lazy for the past couple of years. Fact remains that FIFA is progressing, whereas PES isn't.

Maybe I expect too much from Konami.. but I'm tired of the same old PES, I thought it would've "Evolved" by know. Which is why I'll give FIFA a serious try, if it grows on me I'll stay with it because at least its progressing.

Maybe I'll buy PES 2013, as I think the series will be back on top "eventually" and slowly.

maybe the problem is just that KONAMI doesnt have enough intelegence. im sure they are not lazy beacause you can see on different games they have worked very hard, alsso- they realy can master the world of football gaming with a bit of improvements. as you said they dont have enough resorces.

on the other hand- EA are the most succesful and powerful gaming company and they have the most smart mineds working there. every generaion that will come KONAMI will just be weaker infront of EA. its just a matter of time that FIFA will overtake KONAMI totaly and they will not catch up with newer technology.

OK so lets not turn this thread to enother FIFA vs PES or EA vs KONAMI...

 

[CaptainCabinet]

maybe the problem is just that KONAMI doesnt have enough intelegence. im sure they are not lazy beacause you can see on different games they have worked very hard, alsso- they realy can master the world of football gaming with a bit of improvements. as you said they dont have enough resorces.

on the other hand- EA are the most succesful and powerful gaming company and they have the most smart mineds working there. every generaion that will come KONAMI will just be weaker infront of EA. its just a matter of time that FIFA will overtake KONAMI totaly and they will not catch up with newer technology.

OK so lets not turn this thread to enother FIFA vs PES or EA vs KONAMI...

I find this, and the rest of your post, very ironic.

 

[alonCFC]

I find this, and the rest of your post, very ironic.

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[Amateur]

maybe the problem is just that KONAMI doesnt have enough intelegence. im sure they are not lazy beacause you can see on different games they have worked very hard, alsso- they realy can master the world of football gaming with a bit of improvements. as you said they dont have enough resorces.

on the other hand- EA are the most succesful and powerful gaming company and they have the most smart mineds working there. every generaion that will come KONAMI will just be weaker infront of EA. its just a matter of time that FIFA will overtake KONAMI totaly and they will not catch up with newer technology.

OK so lets not turn this thread to enother FIFA vs PES or EA vs KONAMI...

I don't think it's lack of intelligence.. simply because the best Football Sims IMO are PES6 and PES5, both from Konami. Which is why I have more sympathy towards Konami.

But you know enough is enough, PES08 was shite, PES09 was what "PES08 was supposed to be". Next thing I'll hear is that PES 2011 "was what PES 2010 should have been".

For me PES has not evolved since PES5, many years since then. And like it's been mentioned a few times, maybe (and unfortunately) they don't have enough resources to develop a proper Next Gen Game.

So maybe it's better for fans like me to just replace PES with FIFA, at least FIFA is progressing. Plus they have all the money in the world to do just that.

Hopefully I'll get to see PES back on top by year 2012 or 2013.

 

[alonCFC]

I don't think it's lack of intelligence.. simply because the best Football Sims IMO are PES6 and PES5, both from Konami. Which is why I have more sympathy towards Konami.

But you know enough is enough, PES08 was shite, PES09 was what "PES08 was supposed to be". Next thing I'll hear is that PES 2011 "was what PES 2010 should have been".

For me PES has not evolved since PES5, many years since then. And like it's been mentioned a few times, maybe (and unfortunately) they don't have enough resources to develop a proper Next Gen Game.

So maybe it's better for fans like me to just replace PES with FIFA, at least FIFA is progressing. Plus they have all the money in the world to do just that.

Hopefully I'll get to see PES back on top by year 2012 or 2013.

i only found the world of PES by the time the 2008 edition came out. but my friend only had the 2006 edition on his PS2. i never had a football game before so i had no other comparison to relay on, that way i didnt know PES6 was a real brake through foe PES.
than when my friend finaly got PES 2008 i thought it was very good and i enjoyed mit very much. (dont tell anyone but he had a chipped PS2 and a pirate PES disc). that is the main reason i got a PS3- so i could play PES. after i played it i never wanted to play PES on my friends PS2. i think you described PES 2009 the best way- "what PES 2008 was supposed to be".

 

[dan80]

did u ever play pes 5 that was the best game for me

 

[alonCFC]

did u ever play pes 5 that was the best game for me

no i havent... can you explain me what was so great about it?

 

[dan80]

well i thought it had the best gameplay quite smooth they had better shooting none of that crappy shooting that players do when u wanna blast it they just sort of chip it it was better in pes 5 it had more stadiums like Trad brick stadium (old Trafford) Red caudron (anfiled) magpie park (st james park) and highbury and stamford bridge and it had pitch choices like a really crappy pitch and a nice green pitches proper edit mode create nike boots or lottos or pumas they had snow in the game loads of footballs like the champions league ball in orange and white blue adidas F50 balls.decent goalkeepers never really make stupid mistakes it had a training mode in master league it even had the advantage given by refs and sometimes when a player is injured they would kick the ball out of play and then the ref would do a drop ball to continue sometimes players would collapse on the pitch after being to tired. It had mix and match kits which was great there was so much about the game it just felt like a complete package and last year i was even playing it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVoTlWWtmYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-Gxww6BBI

check out some vids on youtube

 

[jenicek68]

dan80: I have to agree with you.. PES 5 was probably best one. I put your staff on first page too.. I didn´t like HENRY and OWEN.. They have been unstopable.. Some people complaining about MESSI or Ronaldo now in PES 2009, but it´s nothing to compare with theese two bastards..

I think that PES 3 Reached the graphical top, than they had to work on everything else so PES 5 was legend.. PES 6 was first time, when i start feeling some wrong directions, but still not that bad. PES 2008 was dissaster, but PES 2009 remindes my that time of PES 2 - PES 3.. They managed to make good graphics core, now they must work on everything else..

 

[byondthought]

well i thought it had the best gameplay quite smooth they had better shooting none of that crappy shooting that players do when u wanna blast it they just sort of chip it it was better in pes 5 it had more stadiums like Trad brick stadium (old Trafford) Red caudron (anfiled) magpie park (st james park) and highbury and stamford bridge and it had pitch choices like a really crappy pitch and a nice green pitches proper edit mode create nike boots or lottos or pumas they had snow in the game loads of footballs like the champions league ball in orange and white blue adidas F50 balls.decent goalkeepers never really make stupid mistakes it had a training mode in master league it even had the advantage given by refs and sometimes when a player is injured they would kick the ball out of play and then the ref would do a drop ball to continue sometimes players would collapse on the pitch after being to tired. It had mix and match kits which was great there was so much about the game it just felt like a complete package and last year i was even playing it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVoTlWWtmYk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-Gxww6BBI

check out some vids on youtube

:crymore: those vids almost brought a tear to my eye..!! ahh the memories..! i now think pes2009 is even worse than before :no:

PES has lost its pazzaz..!!

 

[jenicek68]

:crymore: those vids almost brought a tear to my eye..!! ahh the memories..! i now think pes2009 is even worse than before :no:

PES has lost its pazzaz..!!

But it´s not that bad cmon.. PES 09 is better, but concuration didn´t sleep.. Before it was massive difference between games and you must not forget, that memories always taste sweeter then reality..

 

[byondthought]

But it´s not that bad cmon.. PES 09 is better, but concuration didn´t sleep.. Before it was massive difference between games and you must not forget, that memories always taste sweeter then reality..

true.. the memories i have are of excitement and it could be because it was to do with a new feeling of discovery...thing is when playing friends i would jump out of my seat screaming and rub my arse in their face..!!!
i only do that on fifa now..!!