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shaun7

Registered User
Tricks are becoming better with every release. Yeah I know they need fixing though and I see your point.
 

CRISSGRAN

Registered User
Tricks are good, but they shouldn't overdo it. I mean how many times in a game have you been able to do a trick other than a backheel without getting halfed? I would like to see the reintroduction of the Pele flick from ISS 98 though:)
 

john4

Registered User
you make a good point there does need to be more skills but the links you give just dont fit a proper game of football. there is no place for that on a football field, imagine somebody doing stuff like that in front of Vidic, hed just give them one hell of a heavy shoulder barge.

however i do think it would be awesome if when people like C Ronaldo, Messi or Ronaldinho ect had the ball they automatically did so nice littel moves, nothing to flash but just some nice little fancy touches to flair the game up a bit, i dont mean breakdancing like in the vids. this way the players with flair would be well represented wheras at the moment all the can do is turn 90degrees a little faster than other people
 

CRISSGRAN

Registered User
you make a good point there does need to be more skills but the links you give just dont fit a proper game of football. there is no place for that on a football field, imagine somebody doing stuff like that in front of Vidic, hed just give them one hell of a heavy shoulder barge.

however i do think it would be awesome if when people like C Ronaldo, Messi or Ronaldinho ect had the ball they automatically did so nice littel moves, nothing to flash but just some nice little fancy touches to flair the game up a bit, i dont mean breakdancing like in the vids. this way the players with flair would be well represented wheras at the moment all the can do is turn 90degrees a little faster than other people

Exactly what I was trying to say, a defender would stand for none of that, I'm with you on this one mate, nothing too flashy just little touches.
 

Pierre

Registered User
Exactly, thats why street freestylers are hardly ever professional footballers...

If a player tried that in real life they would get destroyed by defenders and in any case doing that in a 90 minute game is not really feasible...
 

Benjy m

Registered User
I know that technically it is not a skill but don't you think that different players should be better at diving than others and more likely to get away with it. eg, Ronaldo more likely to get away with it than Richard Dunne.
 

Amateur

Registered User
you make a good point there does need to be more skills but the links you give just dont fit a proper game of football. there is no place for that on a football field, imagine somebody doing stuff like that in front of Vidic, hed just give them one hell of a heavy shoulder barge.

however i do think it would be awesome if when people like C Ronaldo, Messi or Ronaldinho ect had the ball they automatically did so nice littel moves, nothing to flash but just some nice little fancy touches to flair the game up a bit, i dont mean breakdancing like in the vids. this way the players with flair would be well represented wheras at the moment all the can do is turn 90degrees a little faster than other people

Completely agree.. after playing PES6 for the past 2 years, I know the game and all the usual Flaws -and- one of the most annoying one is the one-dimensional Dribbling. Basically, Technique is nowhere to be found, no subtle touches -just- running in certain angles and cutting the ball in other directions, but NO "slow dribbles", the Types of Dribbling Moves that are performed at Slow speed.

This is why, whenever we Steal the ball from a player, it never feels as thought we "won it" -it- felt more like the opponent just gave the ball away "cheaply". How many times, has a skillful player such as Leo Messi or Riquelme (in PES) given the ball away because he knocked the ball too far from his reach.. When does this ever happens in Real Life??

I think Average players should have the same basic one-dimensional Tricks and Technique that we currently have -while- on the other hand, skillful players should have a whole bag of tricks, of options for every Different Situation; rolling the ball, shielding the ball, etc, etc..

And along with that, New Controls are a Must, we should have a New Control System to control all the Types of Trademark Moves; first-touch trademark moves, trademark shooting, trademark dribbling moves, etc, etc..

Another thing that is extremely annoying is the FACT that the player with the ball is faster than the player Without the ball, How can that be?? By plain Logic, a player off-the-ball is faster, NOT slower.. This should be sorted out in PES, as it is been in there for as long as I can remember.

It just doesn't feels as though we are Dribbling our way through the Pitch -it- feels more like simply running with the ball.. Too one-dimensional, and it gets extremely Boring after playing it for too long.

I would love it if I could feel the real feeling of Dribbling; making the Defender "bite", having plenty of options, trying to be Unpredictable, manipulating the movement of the ball -instead- of feeling like you don't have full control of the ball, etc, etc..

So, that's where Next Gen Football Sims should be Improving; one-dimensional Tackles, one-dimensional Defending, one-dimensional Technique, one-dimensional Finishing (Shooting), one-dimensional Stats, etc, etc..

It's about time we get to see some decent Dribbling Moves, more subtle touches, more Intuition, more Variations -and- along with that, it's time to replace the Old; Dribbling Accuracy, Dribbling Speed, and Technique Stats -with- better Stats such as; Step Overs, Roulettes, Cutting the Ball Ability, Shielding the Ball Ability, Dribbling Technique, etc, etc.. Identifying each essential (Basic) Dribbling Move and turning it into a precise and reliable Stat.
 

john4

Registered User
It's about time we get to see some decent Dribbling Moves, more subtle touches, more Intuition, more Variations -and- along with that, it's time to replace the Old; Dribbling Accuracy, Dribbling Speed, and Technique Stats -with- better Stats such as; Step Overs, Roulettes, Cutting the Ball Ability, Shielding the Ball Ability, Dribbling Technique, etc, etc.. Identifying each essential (Basic) Dribbling Move and turning it into a precise and reliable Stat.

that would be perfect. i often shield the ball at the moment with my target man, but Santa Cruz can shield it no longer than Robinho, its about 3secs before you either get pushed of fthe ball or get a free kick no matter who you are or what there body balance is.

i know how you feel when you say its just running to goal rather than dribbling, this is especially evident a few years into master league when people have vastly improved, i try to play a realistic game and pass and move and drible ect but as soon as i go behind in an important game i know i have Arda Turan with his beefed up stats at 24 years old to just run straight past everyone, shoulder to shoulder he just accelerates away, his dribbling is easy to take people on with if i need to but generally hes that fast and strong i can just hold RB and charge. hes not the only one and if it was occasionaly then fine but it really is something i can do 7/10 times
 

Amateur

Registered User
that would be perfect. i often shield the ball at the moment with my target man, but Santa Cruz can shield it no longer than Robinho, its about 3secs before you either get pushed of fthe ball or get a free kick no matter who you are or what there body balance is.

i know how you feel when you say its just running to goal rather than dribbling, this is especially evident a few years into master league when people have vastly improved, i try to play a realistic game and pass and move and drible ect but as soon as i go behind in an important game i know i have Arda Turan with his beefed up stats at 24 years old to just run straight past everyone, shoulder to shoulder he just accelerates away, his dribbling is easy to take people on with if i need to but generally hes that fast and strong i can just hold RB and charge. hes not the only one and if it was occasionaly then fine but it really is something i can do 7/10 times

Yeah, that's one of the MAIN flaws that turns an otherwise good game (PES) into an Arcade game.

Because, somethings are extremely Unrealistic about PES.. the Fact that I can create something from nothing Any time I want is extremely Boring -and- to make it worst, the "realistic" looking Goals are actually harder to pull off than an amazing Individual run.

I think it should be much easier to score those "realistic" Goals -while- on the other hand, Consistently creating Goals from nothing -via- Fantastic Individual runs, that should be almost Impossible, it should be much harder. The more Realistic PES gets, the better the game will be.

And again, the Stats need to be elaborated on.. Dribbling Accuracy, Dribbling Speed, and Technique -are- too Inaccurate and Generic to establish Basic Differences between the players.

We need New Stats such as; Step Over, Cutting the Ball Ability, Shielding the Ball Ability, Dribbling Technique, Rolling the Ball Ability, Nutmegs, Explosiveness, etc, etc.. Any Skill that is essential should be turned into a Stat.

Leo Messi is much better that Cristiano Ronaldo -at- getting Past opponents and cutting the Ball.. Cristiano Ronaldo is better than Most at Step-Overs.. Juan Roman Riquelme is better than Most at "Shielding" the ball from opponents, etc, etc.. This is where all those Stats should take place.
 

ceysin

Registered User
skills are good developed...
but the only problem is that in many cases they are not effective..
e.g stepover has to make defender standing still in some cases...
 

Amateur

Registered User
Get fifa street. If you want realitic football keep the tricks to a minimum.

Dude.. you people are SO Lame. You have absolutely NO Idea of what a Next Gen Console is capable off.

You want to play Basic Dribbles, Boring one-dimensional Play, then just keep playing the PS2 versions of the game.. However, it is plain Unacceptable that a Next Gen Football Sim still haves the same boring-Unrealistic one-dimensional Play. It's time to improve.

You don't like that?? Then just keep playing Old games, I'm sure they will "keep tricks to a minimum".

And again, it's Not about "Tricks", it's about Basic Dribbling Moves; Cutting the Ball, Shielding the Ball, Step Overs, etc, etc.. this are BASIC moves and should be in the game.. as simple as that.
 

CDDRodrigo

Registered User
Agreed with Amateur. The new stats are an awesome idea. And I guess it ain't so hoard to accomplish, huh Konami?
 

Pierre

Registered User
I agree to a degree with Sonicsloth, too many tricks would make the game into fifa street type and that has no representation of modern professional football....

What I would like to see is the developers concentrating on the one-on-one battle between players in the final third... i.e. the ability of the attacker to unbalance the defender with a feint, shoulder drop, stepover etc....

At the moment its a bit hit-or-miss with the use of speed being the predominant tactic to defeat opponents and the attacker favoured 70-30% over the defender....

It would be nice if it was more a 50/50 with a 55/45 in favour of defenders in a top team against a top attacking side.....

I dont think a wholesale trick catologue is necessary as the last great player Zidane, would only use drag backs, roulettes and stepovers to beat his opponent... the rest was quick thinking and ability to change directions with the ball rapidly, ergo Messi...
 

freestyleh7

Registered User
Seriously Lads, the links i posted were just a joke, what im really trying to say is faster stepovers and a few new tricks, to get out of one on one situations.

Some of u lot are Taking it way to seriously, saying that too many tricks will make into fifa street,

honestly.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Seriously Lads, the links i posted were just a joke, what im really trying to say is faster stepovers and a few new tricks, to get out of one on one situations.

Some of u lot are Taking it way to seriously, saying that too many tricks will make into fifa street,

honestly.

Agreed.. One says that PES needs a better a Dribbling System with more substance -and- people are quick to say that it will turn the game even more Arcadey.

Since when is a simple; Step Over, Cutting the Ball, Shielding the Ball, Roulette, Body Feints, etc, etc.. Since when is that over the top?? Those are just BASIC Dribbling Moves.
 

Amateur

Registered User
I agree to a degree with Sonicsloth, too many tricks would make the game into fifa street type and that has no representation of modern professional football....

What I would like to see is the developers concentrating on the one-on-one battle between players in the final third... i.e. the ability of the attacker to unbalance the defender with a feint, shoulder drop, stepover etc....

At the moment its a bit hit-or-miss with the use of speed being the predominant tactic to defeat opponents and the attacker favoured 70-30% over the defender....

It would be nice if it was more a 50/50 with a 55/45 in favour of defenders in a top team against a top attacking side.....

I dont think a wholesale trick catologue is necessary as the last great player Zidane, would only use drag backs, roulettes and stepovers to beat his opponent... the rest was quick thinking and ability to change directions with the ball rapidly, ergo Messi...

Dude.. Zinedine Zidane is so OVERRATED it isn't even funny.. For real, I've seen better players than him.
 
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