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orlandoSPUR

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skickahit10 said:
No, I haven't changed any controls. I just play the game with default settings (apart from reconfiguring some of the buttons) using the left analog controller for controlling where and how my player moves etc., but whenever I want to place a shot I simply move my left thumb and press up or down on the d-pad.

I play it on the PC with an XBOX 360 controller and if I remember correctly you change tactics using the back-button + X/Y/A/B (it's a feature I currently never use though so I might remember wrong, hell might even be the PES 2011 settings).


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That explains it I'm on ps3
 
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.Lee.

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Ali_BWFC said:
omg da shootin iz awsum stfu u dont no how 2 play
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Could you elaborate a bit more, or so we have to use this D-pad thing in the above post?

I'm glad you feel the shooting's awesome, be nice if you could explain it to some of us who, I wouldn't say find it difficult to shoot but rather feel it's too assisted. I have scored some cracking goals myself but some of the time, the shot has gone completely differently from where I have told my player to shoot.
 
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89cruefan

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Shooting does need to be fixed and i hope at some point it is.. scripting is annoying, in a way doesnt happen as frequently... but when it happens, it is worse then pes2011.
 
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Ali

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.Lee. said:
Could you elaborate a bit more, or so we have to use this D-pad thing in the above post?

I'm glad you feel the shooting's awesome, be nice if you could explain it to some of us who, I wouldn't say find it difficult to shoot but rather feel it's too assisted. I have scored some cracking goals myself but some of the time, the shot has gone completely differently from where I have told my player to shoot.
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:lol:

I was only messing about, doing a typical "PES can do no wrong" fanboy impression. I actually believe the shooting is awfull - by far the worst of any PES game in the history of the universe.
 
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MozzyEng

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Lol@Ali. Shooting is a real mystery. But even more of a mystery is that THERE IS STILL NO PES 12 SHOOTING TUTORIALS ON THE INTERWEBS YEA. Which again tells me even konami don't know how to fucking shoot! Konami do you know how to shoot? (Apart from your load over manga films)
 
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abu97

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MozzyEng said:
Shooting is really crap in this game, And if they don't fix it in the next patch they must be smoking heroin or something stronger. Ive scored some great goals but fuk knows how. Cause the ball diden't go where i placed it. Fuck new boots and silly heads thats shite. It just feels like a lottery when shooting
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You're the one on heroin. Don't you know patches don't do new boots or accessories, they just fix the gameplay problems.

Back on topic, I think KONAMI need to add some shooting assistance like pass assistance- 1 bar if you want to fully control it, 2 bars if you want it semi-assisted, 4 bars where you have minimal control over the shooting. I'd say on patch 1.02 it's be around 2 or 3 bars
 
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sweetmusicman

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I am telling you guys, Konami is deliberately messing/sabotaging some aspects the PES release for every year; The reason for this is simple-to promise the correction of it in the next release, thus keeping the franchise alive. This is not rocket science. In PES 2013 the shooting will be fixed, but something else will be messed up, again deliberately, so they can fix that in PES 2014, in return they messed up something else just to fix it in PES 2015 ....and I can go on forever...... This is Konami's strategy to keeo us coming back. Instead of fixing everything which means keeping us as customers happy = we will be buying every years release. Apparently Konami's mathematics regarding success is different then mine.....
 
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Griciu

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sweetmusicman no offence but that's gotta be the biggest bullshite i read on these forums. I rather think they fkd up the shooting so that goalkeepers don't look so shitty. If they fix the shooting, users will complain the goalies are crap for conceding so many goals. If they fix the goalies, everyone will complain the shooting is wrong oh wait..
 
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sweetmusicman

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Griciu said:
sweetmusicman no offence but that's gotta be the biggest bullshite i read on these forums. I rather think they fkd up the shooting so that goalkeepers don't look so shitty. If they fix the shooting, users will complain the goalies are crap for conceding so many goals. If they fix the goalies, everyone will complain the shooting is wrong oh wait..
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lol... True maybe, but how do you explain the messed up penalty system(side view), crosses, through balls that were seriously wrong in previous itterations of the series?
 
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shaun7

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Everyone is crying about shooting, when in reality IT IS NOT THAT BAD AT ALL. I mean, seriously, I never said this, BUT LEARN TO POSITION YOURSELF CORRECTLY please before you brag about the shooting.

The thing that is irritating is the fact that we can't give a proper direction to the shot. I WANT MUCH MORE USER INPUT, but not to a point where it's manual, because manual means NO PLAYER INDIVIDUALITY and that is just STUPID. A stupid trick to make people believe that it takes skill, when reality is that it does not take skill, it's just for show and totally destroys the fun of playing with different players. SEMI AUTO IS THE WAY TO GO where we control the direction and elevation, but the game calculates the player's abilities after we shoot and the shots goes accordingly.

Yes sometimes the shots do lack power, but after patch 1.02, I don;t see it as big of a problem as it was before, seriously. Also, try to place some shots, not just go full power like in the previous pes games. Placing works great this year, especially with players like Del Piero, Vucinic and others who have a good curve and accuracy.
 
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abu97

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shaun7 said:
Everyone is crying about shooting, when in reality IT IS NOT THAT BAD AT ALL. I mean, seriously, I never said this, BUT LEARN TO POSITION YOURSELF CORRECTLY please before you brag about the shooting.

The thing that is irritating is the fact that we can't give a proper direction to the shot. I WANT MUCH MORE USER INPUT, but not to a point where it's manual, because manual means NO PLAYER INDIVIDUALITY and that is just STUPID. A stupid trick to make people believe that it takes skill, when reality is that it does not take skill, it's just for show and totally destroys the fun of playing with different players. SEMI AUTO IS THE WAY TO GO where we control the direction and elevation, but the game calculates the player's abilities after we shoot and the shots goes accordingly.

Yes sometimes the shots do lack power, but after patch 1.02, I don;t see it as big of a problem as it was before, seriously. Also, try to place some shots, not just go full power like in the previous pes games. Placing works great this year, especially with players like Del Piero, Vucinic and others who have a good curve and accuracy.
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Sometimes in real life, players like fetfatzidis can smash one in to the bottom corner like he did against Marseille in the champions league but in the game, if you try blasting it, it'll be floaty even if he has 71 power, he can still smash higher sometimes so shooting power should vary
 
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Griciu

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Shaun, you're so wrong. FYI, shooting works so well with Del Piero because he's got the card Long Range Drive, and he can easily score goals with those curved shots at the far post. So has Messi, Villa, Mutu, and a few other players, that's it. Yes, it's waaay too easy scoring with them, but way too hard and funny with the other players. Try PES 12 demo 2, I still have it installed. Shooting is bliss, it works so fine, shots actually reflect the power bar. The retail version... NOT so much. So yea, shooting is pathetic.

You're saying about good curve and accuracy. Check Pirlo, he's got about 95 curve and great accuracy, while other players... not so much; but just because other players have the long range drive card, it's way too easier to score with them, the card makes the difference. Try shooting with Pirlo, most of the time it's shite, and doesn't reflect his shooting abilities.

It's too bad these cards make such a difference, and the actual stats not so much. Just check the speed merchants. A 69 overall rating player with speed merchant is way better than a 89 player with 85-90 top speed, proved. Good thing they finally address this issue though with this forthcoming patch.
 
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shaun7

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^In demo 2, the shooting was way too easy and simplistic and you could score long rangers every time. Seriously, I know that the power is a bit messed up sometimes in the full game, but in demo 2, it was way too easy.

Yes, I agree that the cards work better than the stats, WHICH IS NOT GOOD. But the stats do work.

If you want to score curve shots with pirlo, BE SURE to press a direction that is 90 degrees to where you want to aim it. So for example you're moving with the stick, and you're pressing forward, which would be either left or right. If you want to shoot and for example you're running with the LEFT direction pressed, so that you move forward, DO NOT SHOOT with LEFT+DOWN or LEFT + UP. Shoot with UP OR DOWN only ( 90 degrees to where you are running), and then curve it. It will achieve maximum curve that way and you will score the same goals with Pirlo.

As for the power shots. Yes, I agree that it is a bit messed up, but not to a point where it is completely broken. IF THEY LEAVE SHOOTING AS IT IS, AND ADD MORE USER INPUT TO A POINT WHERE IT'S SEMI AUTO, then it would be great. Yes add a bit of power in some occasions and it would be good. But try as I said above with curved shots. OH and if you want to shoot well, DO NOT SHOOT when the ball is extremely close to your feet, you need to create distance between you and the ball, for maximum power and accuracy. TRUST ME ON THIS. ;) I did lots of practice in training.

I am not saying it's perfect, I am only saying that I do not find it as broken as some are saying.
 
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89cruefan

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Shooting definately needs sorting. Shots do not go where asked, which for me needs sorting. Long range shots need fixing, Keepers can catch and save way too simply.

AI could need sorting.. Opposition AI, the keepers are fine.. However goalkeepers on the players team need improving and fixing.

Team tactics on the opposition AI needs sorting, bit more variety instead of just having every team park the bus.

For me if this gets sorted, the game would be even better.
 
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sportyfox

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This must be a settings thing. How come my shots always go where I intend them to go then? I have no problem at all.
 
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