How did this get ignored for that argument about Master League money?
Patch 1.0.2 first impressions thread!
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How did this get ignored for that argument about Master League money?
Tech_Skill
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His point is a valid one.
What do you think was the point of the patch.
To increase player costs to make the game financially harder?
Or to make the player costs LOOK realistic?
I thought it was because people wanted buy/sell a player for realistic prices aka the second option.
klashman
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tech_skill
the 'problem' you talk about imo isn't a flaw at all.
it actually gives you some sort of challenge to actually think about in ML with a big team like Madrid. I have started a ML with Juve and i may have the exact same issue, thing is, i have way too many players, some good players on high wages like Salihamazic and Martinez who are on high wages and never play so it more than balances itself out!
Look up Winston Borgarde to understand the effect that Konami are replicating!
I like i, i mean the way to sort it out is get rid of players you don't need and loan about youngsters. Real Madrid have a DREAM TEAM!
the 'problem' you talk about imo isn't a flaw at all.
it actually gives you some sort of challenge to actually think about in ML with a big team like Madrid. I have started a ML with Juve and i may have the exact same issue, thing is, i have way too many players, some good players on high wages like Salihamazic and Martinez who are on high wages and never play so it more than balances itself out!
Look up Winston Borgarde to understand the effect that Konami are replicating!
I like i, i mean the way to sort it out is get rid of players you don't need and loan about youngsters. Real Madrid have a DREAM TEAM!
S-D-P
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I wasn't debating his point, I am more than happy with the new system its made ML a joy for me from the financial point of view(although some prices need revising) I was stating its silly having a dig at YOU for bringing this up when you have made fair points(although I think your wrong).
Tech_Skill
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Whats happening Klashman.....
With all due respect I'm not here to debate whether it is fun or not, I'm more interested on if the financial balance is correct in the game.
There are a few things that I wanted clearing up, the financial situation if you are a club like Real Madrid seems to mean that if you dont win lots of trophies (as Madrid haven't been for a few years) you will probably need to keep selling to make ends meet and not go bankrupt, which i am informed, stops you buying/selling players.
There is also thing about the cost of players rising to the point where buying a top player like Torres can cost more than your entire base income for a year, im not 100% sure thats realistic and thats how it should be.
Anyways, its been done to death now and i probably havent explained it as well as I should have. We shall agree to disagree, peace to the boys on Evo Web, very good forum.
klashman
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Yes, thanks it's the best forum for PES and for FIFA for that matter as well! :laugh: (have you seen the official EA forums, it's shocking!)
My point is as well i don't think it's a gamebreaking issue but it's worth taking a look into though and you do need to warn others about this.
Have you tried loaning out youngsters? The club you loan them to plays their wages which should take some the strain away and also things like just lowering some of the operating costs such as not paying for a 5 million pounds a year doctor etc.. I don't think this problem is set in stone, we at least not for me anyway.
Worth identifying but i think people really are too negative with this game!
PES 2010 was a pretty broken game in all aspects but i somehow with a tiny bit of persistence and understanding enjoyed it for what i did well, even if it did SO MANY things badly! PES 2011 has weak points but for me the strong points more than outweigh them an outweigh any football game i've played
Tech_Skill
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1) No forum can touch Pesgaming.com for PES banter , it gets real down here, you come to Pes gaming and you see heated discussions on these topics, you go to other forums and its all bullshit about how fucking smooth the patch is and how nice seabass's balls go with a glass of red. But then again, maybe im a little biased :laugh:
For fifa chat, evo web is untouchable, hands down.
2) I'll be honest, I know I can probably win all the trophies in this game anyways, im decent against the AI and had a 85-88% win record against them on top player after about 130 games, so I can win against them, but Im not looking for a way AROUND this 'issue' if it is an issue. If there is a problem, i want it fixed. I think im gonna carry on with Master League for this season with Barcelona not buying/selling any players and see what happens.
For record, I actually think playing a full season with Barca isnt as dishonorable as people think, their squad is actually packed with alot of young players and doesnt have the depth that Real's squad have, besides I play with Barca cos I play offline and I just feel like it, afterwards ill more than likely take a step down to lesser club.
iamcanadianeh
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And I'll have to stop you right back.
This is where I think you're missing the point of what ML mode is. What I'm saying is that (assuming there even is real a problem here, which is still unclear since only one person has even seen it and I don't put all my faith in one player who hasn't elaborated enough on his claim), maybe you do have to sell some players. :shocking: Just because you choose Barca doesn't mean you instantly get to start with their financial stability. That's what the whole "game" of ML is all about.
Now, if there was a problem with starting with the default players, and losing money after not signing anyone (and winning trophies, etc) then that would be something on par with the level of stink you're making, but what you're saying is far, far, far from needing a patch. It's just you and a small handful of others who don't really think of ML the way it was intended. It's supposed to be about starting from nothing and getting somewhere. The fact that you can choose to start with Barca doesn't change the game mode. You may start with their players, but there are a few seasons of smart dealings ahead of you before you'll be in control of a real powerhouse side. That's my take on it anyway, again, assuming these claims are even valid at all (which I still doubt and may put to the test myself).
Tech_Skill
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:laugh:
Lord Adam (check your Control Panel for a +1)............honestly.......after a while you just run out of expletives for this guy, I have to say, the scottish bloke who does the podcasts with him is less of a tool, as is suffwan, but maybe that's because Lord Adam's overall shittyness makes them look real class in comparison.
Edit: Cant give you anymore rep....''Lord Adam'' Im taking that shit and claiming it as my own, i dont give a fuck LMAO.
Actually what the fuck are these mongs talking about at WENB, I could have sworn i saw fuckers saying the patch improved the animations???
Sminky
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Don't want to rock the boat here but Real Madrid's wealth is a misnomer. They are able to fund player sales on the back of some fairly 'flexible' bank loans and some fairly kind 'assistance' from the Madrid Council (Madrid council paid £300million for Real Madrids training complex and then promptly sold it back to Real Madrid for NOTHING!).
S-D-P
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Enjoy it mate, lets just hope the "lord" bit doesn't go to his head.
Tech_Skill
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but what is it you were saying about Placebos, whats going on there, you said something earlier. What are they saying down there? Or do I have to go and wade though all the shit there to find out?
S-D-P
Registered User
I think the patch has improved the game to what was needed, the problem over there its like they are desperately trying to convince themselves about something. alan? one of the staff wrote about how graphics had improved can't remember much else. The graphics on the 360 version have always been decent so why would they improve the graphics in 2mb patch and not say nuffin?
http://kitanamedia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3870&p=189854#p189854
People that were not happy with the game are now apparently happy, surely a patch would not change your opinion completely about pes 2011 if you hated the game beforehand? I loved the game before patch and love it more now whereas I think they are trying to convince themselves.
You know what its like for hype over there.
Tech_Skill
Registered User
Oh shit.........:no:
To everyone on here:
Has anybody on here noticed the patch making any difference to visuals?
klashman
Registered User
The thing is on this forum, you get complete fucking retards like Amatuer wit his continuous barge of essays which NEVER get tot he point!
I kinda understand your point, the moaning here is crazy! So many posters just ignore all of the games good points and troll to start argument for the sake of it. I get it though it is funny at times and i can't resist a good argument or discussion!
Absolutely it's the only FIFA forum which people talk 'real'!
Have you seen how bad they are lately? It's like a horde of zombie trolls to bite at anyone who likes the game or just spam a loud of nonsense!
It's like a sinking shit full of trolls fighting to to rip off a plant to help them float to shore. looks like all the good posters jumped off and left it to die!
Tech_Skill
Registered User
Man, why have people got in for Amateur? lmao. He's legendary imo, obviously a bit eccentric, but he comes up with some decent shit here and there.
Official fifa forums suck balls to the max.
Has anyone noticed any other gameplay related changes since the patch?
Official fifa forums suck balls to the max.
Has anyone noticed any other gameplay related changes since the patch?
S-D-P
Registered User
Klashman I actually had a look at the fifa forums before(stopped posting a while back) it really is a depressing place but it seems many are turning to pes, you get those dicks on the EA forums who think they are experts shouting down anybody who brings up pes.
Tech changes I have noticed
- manual passes more responsive
- players more responsive
- Semi assist cursor change is decent. I can now get my defenders to react better in close situations where you need to get a block or slide done quickly.
Tech changes I have noticed
- manual passes more responsive
- players more responsive
- Semi assist cursor change is decent. I can now get my defenders to react better in close situations where you need to get a block or slide done quickly.
klashman
Registered User
Problem with amateur. Read his stuff in the 'I'm afraid to say' topic. He never get's to the point! In fact he never really makes a point, just spams!
Well from the patch every aspect of the game has improved slightly, it feels, errm finished really in terms of the release felt a bit like it was 90% done!
Mainly because of the tweaks a few new animations. Noticing players move the ball and adjust themselves more when shielding which wasn't there before!
Professional actually gives you a challenge now which it didn't before the update!
Its slightly easier to sprint at players and get past them,
it's far more responsive, easier to pull of step overs etc.. but obviously rainbow flicks are now almost impossible
in general the patch is very good.
It's like PES 2008 in reverse!
It's very surreal, loads of people surprising are turning their back on FIFA and all turning to PES. Which surpises me on a FIFA forum. I remember one thread where 6 people in a row say. YOUR A NOOB IF YOU THINK FIFA IS REALISTIC.
this is a combination of two things, FIFA was never that good, PES has been shit for so long, as soon as a good game comes it shits on FIFA.
Also FIFA is a bug infested mess and people now have a proper alternative!
Well from the patch every aspect of the game has improved slightly, it feels, errm finished really in terms of the release felt a bit like it was 90% done!
Mainly because of the tweaks a few new animations. Noticing players move the ball and adjust themselves more when shielding which wasn't there before!
Professional actually gives you a challenge now which it didn't before the update!
Its slightly easier to sprint at players and get past them,
it's far more responsive, easier to pull of step overs etc.. but obviously rainbow flicks are now almost impossible
in general the patch is very good.
It's like PES 2008 in reverse!
It's very surreal, loads of people surprising are turning their back on FIFA and all turning to PES. Which surpises me on a FIFA forum. I remember one thread where 6 people in a row say. YOUR A NOOB IF YOU THINK FIFA IS REALISTIC.
this is a combination of two things, FIFA was never that good, PES has been shit for so long, as soon as a good game comes it shits on FIFA.
Also FIFA is a bug infested mess and people now have a proper alternative!
Oh wow, I've been gone for only 12 hrs, but this thread seems to have exploded!
Anyway, let's go back to ML funding problems, shall we?
Don't anyone agree that sponsorship level should at least reflect on how well your team is playing? I am saying this because I have distinctively noticed that the game is intentionally capping my sponsorship budget. Here's what happened:
End of the year, and 3 of my 6 sponsor companies have finally ended their contract. I thought, "great, 2 of those 3 companies are the same 2 companies I get at the start of my ML campaign, and only pay out a measly £900,000 per year to get my club running. Now I can finally get some big sponsorship signings with the great run I've been having with Real Madrid." The other company ending it's contract pays a whooping £6 million annually. As expected, I get 3 more offers. However, the total sponsorship I've gotten actually amounts to less than what I had beforehand. That was a complete 'lolwut' moment for me, and I even reloaded by ML save multiple times to redo that summer transfer period again, but I always ended up getting 3 companies who pays less. To summarise:
Sponsorship company out (annual funding sponsored):
Company 1 (£900,000)
Company 2 (£900,000)
Company 3 (£6,000,000)
Combined Total: £7,800,000
Sponsorship company in (annual funding sponsored): after numerous reloads
Company 4 (£1,000,000)
Company 5 (£1,000,000)
Company 6 (£4,000,000)
Combined Total: £6,000,000
Note: sponsorship figures are to 1 s.f. because the trailing numbers serve nothing but distraction.
And that, gentlemen, is what I get for hauling arse to make sure I win trebles every year
Anyway, let's go back to ML funding problems, shall we?
Don't anyone agree that sponsorship level should at least reflect on how well your team is playing? I am saying this because I have distinctively noticed that the game is intentionally capping my sponsorship budget. Here's what happened:
End of the year, and 3 of my 6 sponsor companies have finally ended their contract. I thought, "great, 2 of those 3 companies are the same 2 companies I get at the start of my ML campaign, and only pay out a measly £900,000 per year to get my club running. Now I can finally get some big sponsorship signings with the great run I've been having with Real Madrid." The other company ending it's contract pays a whooping £6 million annually. As expected, I get 3 more offers. However, the total sponsorship I've gotten actually amounts to less than what I had beforehand. That was a complete 'lolwut' moment for me, and I even reloaded by ML save multiple times to redo that summer transfer period again, but I always ended up getting 3 companies who pays less. To summarise:
Sponsorship company out (annual funding sponsored):
Company 1 (£900,000)
Company 2 (£900,000)
Company 3 (£6,000,000)
Combined Total: £7,800,000
Sponsorship company in (annual funding sponsored): after numerous reloads
Company 4 (£1,000,000)
Company 5 (£1,000,000)
Company 6 (£4,000,000)
Combined Total: £6,000,000
Note: sponsorship figures are to 1 s.f. because the trailing numbers serve nothing but distraction.
And that, gentlemen, is what I get for hauling arse to make sure I win trebles every year