bluechampion
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It was all going fine with FIFA 09. I loved the game. I tweaked the game some more and it played like a charm. Then slowly, I started to feel that the charm of FIFA 09 was wearing off. I started to feel that the games are becoming more and more routine, no matter which teams I match up. I quit online FIFA 09 gaming long back. All the tweaks and edits helps the game a bit but does not do anything for the inherent weaknesses and blunders. I was advised to play manual controls which I did for a few weeks but still it did not quite please me. I thought there was something wrong with the game and that thing was so hard coded that it could not be improved by smart ideas from users or what's already in the game. That's when I picked up Euro 2008 again. That was so much better and than FIFA 09. Playing as nations did not keep me interested for too long. Then I thought, let me give another chance to PES. I remember how crap PES2008 was, but still went and bought PES2009.
As soon as I booted up PES 2009, five things hit me. One - the pitch graphics is just amazing. Two - the pitch is so big. Three - the gameplay has been slowed down to perfect speed. Four - anything works as long as you play well. Five - the games can be completely random. The pitch graphics is the best I've seen in a football game. I have a 40" HDTV and FIFA 09 pitches don't look this good. In all the stadiums, you can play afternoon kick-offs as well which are the best. The night matches are such a beauty unlike the dark corridors in FIFA 09. Ah, how I love the pitch being so big. The size of the pitch gives a new dimension to the game. There is so much space to keep the ball, dribble the ball, draw defenders and create openings etc. It feels like football.
PES 2009 has been slowed down by a great extent. PES 2008 was in frantic pace. It was just crazy. In PES 2009, I think they have hit the sweet spot with respect to the speed. It is not slow as sluggish or fast as hell but it surely resembles the pace of real football than FIFA09. It is the unsophisticated animations that gives us a feeling that this game is fast. I'd say this game is as fast as the real life football. Real football is slow in general and shows some bursts of pace depending on the situations. That's very beautifully captured in PES 2009. Now I can truly control the pace of the game, at least when I have the ball. I can knock it around among my defenders and midfielders and can quickly use my pace if I see an opportunity, just like real football.
The great thing about pro evo is that it allows you to play the game the way you want to. There are no beaten paths, no routine play or boring build-ups. This is what gives us the famous PES promise of 'you'll never score the same goal twice'. I'm not trying to say that FIFA 09 is scripted but it works in a framework. It does not allow you to play freely. Don't get me wrong. FIFA 09 is a great game and it is seen as a more complete offering than pro evo. In FIFA 09, I get this feeling that the game wants you to play in a certain way and forces you to play that way.
See, I'm a good football gamer and a very normal one too. I don't do flip-flaps and all that. I just play my game, the game I normally see on TV every weekend. FIFA 09 does not allow us to beat defenders. It's not that uncommon in FIFA 09 as it is in real life. You don't need to do flip-flap or a 360 degree spin everytime you want to beat a defender. In PES 2009, you can beat the defenders with your normal dribble. And I love that. But beating a defender with the dribble does not mean you get no challenge. The defenders can catch the attackers purely based on the speed and strength attributes, and direction and angle of the run. All other things being equal, a man without the ball can run faster than the man with the ball. But the difference should not be too much because there won't be any attacks and if the difference is less then you'll have too many break aways and one-on-ones. Pro evo has got this spot on. The speed advantage is neither for the attackers nor the defenders.
You can play the style of football you want to, provided the players you are suitable for it. You can play one-touch-short-passing game, you can play a long ball game, you attack through the wings, you can split through the centre, you can play slow build-up game, you can shoot on sight etc. Basically what Konami tell us is, here is the set of things you can do, come with a combination of these things and score the goal any which way you want. Whatever PES2009 allows us to do, it allows to do them very very well. Take shooting, you can shoot from distance as well as from difficult angles, depending on the player that you control. Take crossing, it is so sweet in this game. It is a real weapon. In FIFA09, crossing was kind of discouraged by the way the game plays. Crosses are always useless so you stop playing that kind of game. In FIFA09, it's unnaturally hard to cut back from the sides. In FIFA08, it was way too easy and probably hence, they made it so difficult in FIFA09. In PES 2009, you can cut-back beautifully.
If you can attack so effectively in all these ways, do we end up with huge scores such as 10-8 or something? No, certainly not. Because, the defence behaves very well. They know exactly what to do as defenders. They are very smart in staying in their positions and cut down spaces for you to exploit. They also pre-empt your possible next pass and attack the passing lanes which you keep you guessing and provoke you to be innovative on the pitch. The defenders don't walk around disinterested. They play as if they certianly don't want to concede. In FIFA09, defenders were a big problem. They were made a bit ineffective so that you can score goals. The played up all the time and even with all the tweaks and tactics, it's hard to keep them deep. It's not the playing up that was a problem. It's their lack of pace while staying so up that made it all too easy for the attackers.
Basically, in FIFA09, the players who are not controlled by you, had only half brain. Which is why the defenders were not smart in moving to their positions and cutting the spaces. Similarly, you'll have attackers who don't make smart runs while you have the ball. Basically, the AI of your team mates lacked game intelligence. The FIFA players are not very dynamic. They are in fact, lazy and lethargic. This is the reason why the FIFA games do not produce the excitement of Pro Evo. To be honest, I have really really enjoyed FIFA 09 but what I realise now is that it lacks longevity. The fact that FIFA has all the licenses make you play as various teams which will give you a feeling that you're experiencing variety in gameplay. If you play team A vs team B about 10 times continuously, you'll see that the games will pan out in a very very similar fashion. In comparison, PES 2009 plays a much more random game.
In contrast, the PES players are much better. They do close spaces in time and they do make intelligent attacking runs. I read somewhere that the AI off the ball player in FIFA does not make diagonal runs. All that it can do is to run in a straight line. The PES AI players run diagonally as well which creates a truckload more of possible attacking moves. In FIFA, the players that you don't control do not decide or act on your behalf. All that they do is run and not stand still. Only when you take control of them, they come alive. Whereas in PES, even the players that you don't control do think and act on their own. I've heard quite a bit about people complaining about their team mate AI that gets sent off. That's because AI thinks on its own and it could be an aggressive player. You can easily resolve this problem by selecting the player that's closest to the ball carrier. So now you're the one who's is in a position to make a tackle or get sent off. It's your decision then.
I also love the fact that you can even play the long ball game. They can sometimes be very effective. You can time your jump and win the ball and can truly make it very effective if you have the kind of players that would take advantage of the situation. The other thing I like in PES 09 is that the set pieces can be very useful. If I get a foul outside the D, I don't have worry about the interruption of my attack. I can make that free kick really count. You have a variety of ways to deliver the free kick and they can be good fun. Quick freekicks are also implemented very nicely.
I get a feeling that this is the best football game ever. They seem to have fixed exactly those things which were the pain points of PES 2008. That's all they had to do. At the core of PES, you have a great football game. You may not garnish it with decoratives but you can certainly avoid making a mess of it with your extra efforts. PES 2009 is no way complete. It is lacking animations big time. Very limited number of animations mean jerky looking movements and arcadish looking game. Despite all this, for me the FIFA 09 vs PES 2009 is over. PES 2009 is the clear winner by a country mile. The race is not as close as the reviewers are making it out to be. It might take years for FIFA to reach the gameplay levels of PES. Konami have understood the beautiful game lot better than EA. That's why PES 2009 is much more realistic and resembles real football than FIFA 09.
As soon as I booted up PES 2009, five things hit me. One - the pitch graphics is just amazing. Two - the pitch is so big. Three - the gameplay has been slowed down to perfect speed. Four - anything works as long as you play well. Five - the games can be completely random. The pitch graphics is the best I've seen in a football game. I have a 40" HDTV and FIFA 09 pitches don't look this good. In all the stadiums, you can play afternoon kick-offs as well which are the best. The night matches are such a beauty unlike the dark corridors in FIFA 09. Ah, how I love the pitch being so big. The size of the pitch gives a new dimension to the game. There is so much space to keep the ball, dribble the ball, draw defenders and create openings etc. It feels like football.
PES 2009 has been slowed down by a great extent. PES 2008 was in frantic pace. It was just crazy. In PES 2009, I think they have hit the sweet spot with respect to the speed. It is not slow as sluggish or fast as hell but it surely resembles the pace of real football than FIFA09. It is the unsophisticated animations that gives us a feeling that this game is fast. I'd say this game is as fast as the real life football. Real football is slow in general and shows some bursts of pace depending on the situations. That's very beautifully captured in PES 2009. Now I can truly control the pace of the game, at least when I have the ball. I can knock it around among my defenders and midfielders and can quickly use my pace if I see an opportunity, just like real football.
The great thing about pro evo is that it allows you to play the game the way you want to. There are no beaten paths, no routine play or boring build-ups. This is what gives us the famous PES promise of 'you'll never score the same goal twice'. I'm not trying to say that FIFA 09 is scripted but it works in a framework. It does not allow you to play freely. Don't get me wrong. FIFA 09 is a great game and it is seen as a more complete offering than pro evo. In FIFA 09, I get this feeling that the game wants you to play in a certain way and forces you to play that way.
See, I'm a good football gamer and a very normal one too. I don't do flip-flaps and all that. I just play my game, the game I normally see on TV every weekend. FIFA 09 does not allow us to beat defenders. It's not that uncommon in FIFA 09 as it is in real life. You don't need to do flip-flap or a 360 degree spin everytime you want to beat a defender. In PES 2009, you can beat the defenders with your normal dribble. And I love that. But beating a defender with the dribble does not mean you get no challenge. The defenders can catch the attackers purely based on the speed and strength attributes, and direction and angle of the run. All other things being equal, a man without the ball can run faster than the man with the ball. But the difference should not be too much because there won't be any attacks and if the difference is less then you'll have too many break aways and one-on-ones. Pro evo has got this spot on. The speed advantage is neither for the attackers nor the defenders.
You can play the style of football you want to, provided the players you are suitable for it. You can play one-touch-short-passing game, you can play a long ball game, you attack through the wings, you can split through the centre, you can play slow build-up game, you can shoot on sight etc. Basically what Konami tell us is, here is the set of things you can do, come with a combination of these things and score the goal any which way you want. Whatever PES2009 allows us to do, it allows to do them very very well. Take shooting, you can shoot from distance as well as from difficult angles, depending on the player that you control. Take crossing, it is so sweet in this game. It is a real weapon. In FIFA09, crossing was kind of discouraged by the way the game plays. Crosses are always useless so you stop playing that kind of game. In FIFA09, it's unnaturally hard to cut back from the sides. In FIFA08, it was way too easy and probably hence, they made it so difficult in FIFA09. In PES 2009, you can cut-back beautifully.
If you can attack so effectively in all these ways, do we end up with huge scores such as 10-8 or something? No, certainly not. Because, the defence behaves very well. They know exactly what to do as defenders. They are very smart in staying in their positions and cut down spaces for you to exploit. They also pre-empt your possible next pass and attack the passing lanes which you keep you guessing and provoke you to be innovative on the pitch. The defenders don't walk around disinterested. They play as if they certianly don't want to concede. In FIFA09, defenders were a big problem. They were made a bit ineffective so that you can score goals. The played up all the time and even with all the tweaks and tactics, it's hard to keep them deep. It's not the playing up that was a problem. It's their lack of pace while staying so up that made it all too easy for the attackers.
Basically, in FIFA09, the players who are not controlled by you, had only half brain. Which is why the defenders were not smart in moving to their positions and cutting the spaces. Similarly, you'll have attackers who don't make smart runs while you have the ball. Basically, the AI of your team mates lacked game intelligence. The FIFA players are not very dynamic. They are in fact, lazy and lethargic. This is the reason why the FIFA games do not produce the excitement of Pro Evo. To be honest, I have really really enjoyed FIFA 09 but what I realise now is that it lacks longevity. The fact that FIFA has all the licenses make you play as various teams which will give you a feeling that you're experiencing variety in gameplay. If you play team A vs team B about 10 times continuously, you'll see that the games will pan out in a very very similar fashion. In comparison, PES 2009 plays a much more random game.
In contrast, the PES players are much better. They do close spaces in time and they do make intelligent attacking runs. I read somewhere that the AI off the ball player in FIFA does not make diagonal runs. All that it can do is to run in a straight line. The PES AI players run diagonally as well which creates a truckload more of possible attacking moves. In FIFA, the players that you don't control do not decide or act on your behalf. All that they do is run and not stand still. Only when you take control of them, they come alive. Whereas in PES, even the players that you don't control do think and act on their own. I've heard quite a bit about people complaining about their team mate AI that gets sent off. That's because AI thinks on its own and it could be an aggressive player. You can easily resolve this problem by selecting the player that's closest to the ball carrier. So now you're the one who's is in a position to make a tackle or get sent off. It's your decision then.
I also love the fact that you can even play the long ball game. They can sometimes be very effective. You can time your jump and win the ball and can truly make it very effective if you have the kind of players that would take advantage of the situation. The other thing I like in PES 09 is that the set pieces can be very useful. If I get a foul outside the D, I don't have worry about the interruption of my attack. I can make that free kick really count. You have a variety of ways to deliver the free kick and they can be good fun. Quick freekicks are also implemented very nicely.
I get a feeling that this is the best football game ever. They seem to have fixed exactly those things which were the pain points of PES 2008. That's all they had to do. At the core of PES, you have a great football game. You may not garnish it with decoratives but you can certainly avoid making a mess of it with your extra efforts. PES 2009 is no way complete. It is lacking animations big time. Very limited number of animations mean jerky looking movements and arcadish looking game. Despite all this, for me the FIFA 09 vs PES 2009 is over. PES 2009 is the clear winner by a country mile. The race is not as close as the reviewers are making it out to be. It might take years for FIFA to reach the gameplay levels of PES. Konami have understood the beautiful game lot better than EA. That's why PES 2009 is much more realistic and resembles real football than FIFA 09.
