Playing against really direct opponents

[LegBreaker]

I've been playing PES and ISS for years, so I'd like to think I'm a pretty skilled player. I play a patient tactical game and switch formations quite a bit etc. BUT when I play against a really direct opponent, it doesn't really seem to matter ... I play against my cousin every week and despite the fact that he has failed to master one single shred of the tactical part of the game and always plays exactly the same way, I find him virtually impossible to beat. It's exactly the same as playing SFII back in the day. You could know all the moves and cane anyone who tried to play properly, but you could get bashed up by a novice who would just randomly hit buttons.

I'd like to think that I'm particularly good defensively. Even on six stars I rarely concede and normally score at least twice. I just can't beat my damn cousin. Technically speaking, he's rubbish, but for some unknown reason, he seems to be able to tear me apart like no-one else has ever managed. Not to mention that he's damn cocky ...

Anyone else had this problem?

 

[greeny]

me to I have played for years and years I know my shit the best angles to shoot from when to pass when to hold recentley I played a mate who hasen't been round for ages and dosent play very often I conceded a penalty and then was unable to score for the rest of the game.I think it's because I underestimated him and thought I was well better. On the other hand me and some other mates play every other day, every time we have a comp I can confidentley go through every match and win or draw at the least.I think that every body I play from now on an novice or an elitist I won't take the piss out of and play properley any one who picks up a control pad has a chance.

 

[dark_shadow89]

lol, if ur good enough, u should be able to defend against any sort of player. My brother and i play regularly - i'm a really 'direct' player as u put it, i dont button-mash, but i attack really fast and hard. He's a tactical move-the-ball-around sort of player, but we still play really even games. We both play master league on 6 star (so u know we're not novices ). No novice should be able to beat a truly good player. Maybe practice faster attacking and tighter defending against brazil, on 5 or 6 starrs, with japan or australia or something.

 

[koller]

i've had this problem only on pes5. The only difference is that your used to the way the CPU plays, that's why you've mastered it and that's why your so good defensively because you know whats coming.

Playing against your mates, there's no particular strategy and overall, a real test of your skills. Anyone can Barca or Chelsea on 6* with a second-rate team once you've played for a few months. You just get used to strategies

 

[HannibleL316]

i've had this problem only on pes5. The only difference is that your used to the way the CPU plays, that's why you've mastered it and that's why your so good defensively because you know whats coming.

Playing against your mates, there's no particular strategy and overall, a real test of your skills. Anyone can Barca or Chelsea on 6* with a second-rate team once you've played for a few months. You just get used to strategies

Totally true.

 

[pro_evo_legend]

its so frustratin wen u play a cocky novice - my mate played a stupidly over defensive formation and ther was just no room to pass - he scored on the counter with martins and won 1-0

next game i won 6-0 hahaha

 

[LegBreaker]

I never said my cousin was a novice. He's been playing PES for at least 3 or 4 years - he just doesn't care about the finer points of the game. He prefers to play on three stars and win every game 4-0 without a second thought about tactics etc. I regularly play against my mates, they all think I'm anal when it comes to tactical side of the game, but I win 9 out of 10 matches and probably only lose the other on penalties.

What I was getting at was the fact that his style seems to undo me every damn time and there is NO WAY that he is a better player than me. For example, he can't score headers, he can't score free-kicks and he never scores from corners. The only skill he knows is the 'shot fake', but he seems to be able to rip me apart with his strikers and a central midfielder 'cos they're the only ones who ever seem to have the ball. He doesn't even pass it around. It's so frustrating! Our matches are normally 4-3 or maybe 5-4, but he always seems to nick it with a lucky goal.

So I guess, the point of my post is ... have I wasted my time learning all the tactics etc. and honing my skills, when someone who has no tactical knowhow can beat me repeatedly???

Anyone else feel the same.

 

[dee-dee]

you can't be as good as you think you are if your cousin can beat you

 

[deftonesmx17]

I don't know what to tell you, I am the exact opposite. I am very tactical and build my plays up very slowly. My friend, plays nothing but counter-attack. Now, he is a very good player and so am I. Most of our games are very even, we almost always go to extra time. Well, in the past few weeks, I have been walking all over him. Last night we played three 20min games like we always do. We start with the international match. He is Italy and I am Germany, like always. This match ended 4-0 Germany. Next we have our club match. He is AC Milan and I am Bayern Munich, like always. This match ended 3-1 Bayern. Then we had our third and final match which is as always, him as Fulham and me as Werder Bremen. We quit at 62mins because the score was 9-0 Bremen.

 

[pro_evo_legend]

For example, he can't score headers, he can't score free-kicks and he never scores from corners.

he sounds a lot like me - except i win on 6*

i just pass it around and score that way

 

[Stormrider]

Novices may not know every trick in the game, or the use of strategies, and for some novices they don't need to. They keep their game simple yet very effective. It just seems to me that he is naturally better than u are. Maybe with hard work u can beat him.

 

[Original?]

Maybe you're over complicating the match? If he's playing straight forward obvious tactics, try to keep him in his half and disrupt his game style as much by controlling the tempo of the match. If you can keep the ball just keep slowing the game down and then speeding it up, it should throw him completely.

 

[LegBreaker]

For the last time ... I never said he was a novice! Just a very simple player. I've thought about it and what it boils down to is the fact that he's a better finisher than me. He might only create 5 chances in a game, but score four goals, whereas I create loads of opportunities, but over-complicate actually scoring the goal.

Original? is right about game tempo. If I focus on my own game and play at my speed, I invariably win, but the problem is that I always seem to get sucked into trying to match his 100mph game and end up losing.

The moral of the story is this: play your own game, take you chances, don't try to be too clever and make damn sure you win and wipe the smile of the cocky kid's face!

 

[dark_shadow89]

like i said, taking time to build up plays sometimes isnt the best tactic - sometimes using a really fast, direct attack, like counter-attacking, etc, can break open a defence. I tend to dislike slow buildups because, against quality human opponents, they'll just drop back all their mids, and defend like Italy never has .

Then again, my bro is able to beat me with his tactical game - albeit scoring less than i do when i beat him.

 

[3663dawg]

play online and master all strategies only then will you be able to take on the pro evo master 1-5

 

[GO-GO-GOAL!]

I just go with the flow. If the opportunity comes to counter attack fast then I will change my formation and hit them on the break. If I wanna keep the ball I change my formation to one of two, balanced formations (Depends on opposition) that I have. Works well. also use the attack and defense bars to get people forward and also to get players behind the ball. go on to green or blue when you lose the ball and when you regain possession turn to orange or red.

 

[Aaronarid]

If someone plays really direct agains't me, I do the same against them. Fight fire with fire I say.
If u expose their defensive frailties enough they'll realise they have to slow the game down a bit sometimes.

 

[Malagacf]

I know my tactics are very poor, but they work, counter attack and balls to the box from both sides.

 

[koller]

Use wingers and one/two strikers, counter-attack and with decent crosses you'll score if their playing that direct. KOLLER

 

[pes_kim]

Hi LegBreaker,

There are 2 main parts in attack: create scoring chances and making these chances count. Whether someone is playing a patient, stroke the ball around game or a direct game, the basic is still the same. Playing a direct game would certainly not work if your cousin cannot open up your defence and have the composure to finish. As you said, he cannot score in many different ways but any type of goal counts towards the scoreline. As for saying he's rubbish, he may not be as tactically acute as you, but I think he must have at least mastered the basics of the game in order to be able to beat you. So, dun underestimate him just because he doesn't play your type of football! A patient game has its advantages (compared to direct play) as the main amt of possesion is in your hands. But this amounts to little if you cannot score and defend well when you lost the ball.