Playstation 3

[fick]

The future of gaming does not include buying discs, its internet to HDD sale and there is plenty of scope there for development. Piracy will always be rife because there will always be someone playing both ends of the field because of the money involved.

If Sony want to go the download route, then they seriously need to improve download & installation times. I know from experience that downloads and updates are so much quicker on the 360.

 

[Sminky]

If Sony want to go the download route, then they seriously need to improve download & installation times. I know from experience that downloads and updates are so much quicker on the 360.

They'll drag their heels for years but the PS4 will probably spell the slow death of Gamestation and Game retail stores. The future of gaming does not exist in tangible form, its inevitable and its what gamers want.

 

[fick]

They'll drag their heels for years but the PS4 will probably spell the slow death of Gamestation and Game retail stores. The future of gaming does not exist in tangible form, its inevitable and its what gamers want.

Then I'll stick with disc based consoles. Most of my games are pre-owned. I despise paying the cost of new games and don't really care about the on-line gaming too much so the whole codes in new games thing doesn't affect me too much. As a lot of titles are mediocre, I'd rather wait a month or two & play them on the cheap.

I'm not a complete tight arse though. Real A grade titles like RDR Fallout 3, Fable 3, Forza 3 and upcoming titles like TES: Skyrim are usually release day purchases.

 

[IronCity]

I have never bought directly online but rather always have that disk in my hand (sort of like having the book to turn the pages rather than a kindle unit) so it can be portable. So I don't know if already implemented in downloaded games but I would imagine Sony could begin to use the software model that requires a key or online validation to allow you to install, or in this case play a game. If online validataion is needed each time you play your PS3 will have to be online all the time.

nice dicussion, gents, gotta run.

 

[Sminky]

Pre-owned market is going to be killed off by the Software houses in time mate. They don't get a cut of the multiple reselling of software and it fucks them off. Pressure is already being exerted on retailers, ASDA were denied stock of RDR after ASDA intended to sell them dirt cheap. I think online pricing will come down when the landscape changes, at the moment its a bit of a free for all with Pre-owned games and Supermarkets able to undercut the RRP.

 

[Hunter]

I agree with fick here, the thought of having to pay for games off of Marketplace as downloads as opposed to buying discs really does make me cringe. I like to physically own my products, hence why my CD collection is 200+, same with DVD/Blu-ray. I'll never agree to paying for downloaded music, what is the fricking point?

Same with gaming, I can sort of understand people paying for game downloads on consoles because they feel a sudden urge to play a game - and of course it's incredibly intricate and difficult to even modify/chip consoles so illegally downloading games is out of the question. Thus, if you want to play a game instantly, a paid download on say Xbox Live Marketplace is often the only way if you don't wish to leave the home. But the thought of the entire gaming industry going this way is daunting, just imagine how much control the corporates will have over us and the prices they set? It'll be mental.

 

[Sminky]

Its becoming more a certainty because of pre-owned selling. The gaming industry is losing millions in re-sell revenue. Imagine what you would do as a company to stem the flow of lost income? A 3rd party marketplace would still exist online, someone like TESCO springs to mind.

 

[fick]

Its becoming more a certainty because of pre-owned selling. The gaming industry is losing millions in re-sell revenue. Imagine what you would do as a company to stem the flow of lost income? A 3rd party marketplace would still exist online, someone like TESCO springs to mind.

Whether I agree with the concept or not, I fear you are right with the direction of gaming as well as other media sources. I do think the price issue won't be as flexible as you think though.

Look at the Kindle as a perfect example. All you buy from Amazon is an electronic copy & the license, yet new items are invariably considerably more expensive than just buying the actual book from WH Smiths.

Pricing has driven gaming to a more mature market. Some would say this is just an evolution with the game players of yesterday (that's us Smink) continuing well into their 40's & 50's. In reality, I think the game companies are just following the money.

The controller of the disposable income in generally the parent, especially when that disposable amount is £40 odd nicker a time.

 

[Viperized]

Sony consoles won't be download only (look at how much money they invested in bluray), and thank fuck for that.

I only like to buy games on discs. Digital downloads charge you insane prices for games and there is no resale value.

Fick,
RE: PSN Credit Card Encryption.

Q: Was my personal data encrypted?
A: All of the data was protected, and access was restricted both physically and through the perimeter and security of the network. The entire credit card table was encrypted and we have no evidence that credit card data was taken. The personal data table, which is a separate data set, was not encrypted, but was, of course, behind a very sophisticated security system that was breached in a malicious attack.

Q: Was my credit card data taken?
A: While all credit card information stored in our systems is encrypted and there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity, out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have been obtained. Keep in mind, however that your credit card security code (sometimes called a CVC or CSC number) has not been obtained because we never requested it from anyone who has joined the PlayStation Network or Qriocity, and is therefore not stored anywhere in our system.

Source:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/

 

[fick]

Re-sale of used games. How the hell did I forget that? Trade in is one of the reasons I still buy A titles new. Takes some of the pain away from the new retail price.

As regards the credit card details, what you posted is basically what Sony sent in the email. Do note however that they still recommend changing passwords and checking credit card statements as they obviously don't have 100% confidence that all data is safe.

That and the standard arse covering of course.

 

[Viperized]

Yeah. I changed my email password [was the same password as my PSN] and cancelled my debit card immediately. Better to be safe than sorry.

I think I will have to use a secure password manager like LastPass. Jonno mentioned it earlier and it can generate a unique secure password for every single website.

 

[fick]

Wise move.

Though like I said earlier in this thread, using a debit card for online purchases is a bad idea anyway.

 

[Viperized]

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/po...etwork-returns-will-your-trophies-return-too/

The situation sounds more serious that I thought - they'll have to rebuild the entire network. :\

I wouldn't be surprised if our accounts are wiped clean. I couldn't care less about trophies but I would hate to see my purchase history wiped clean.

 

[Lörd TH]

Am I right in saying that around 50 million PS3s have been sold worldwide?

 

[Jonno394]

Reading through some of the rumours on the web one of the foremost beliefs is that the attack can be indirectly attributed back to the original ps3 hack by Geohotz that allowed custom firmware on their machines.

If you want to be pedantic, then we should blame fail0verflow as they were the ones to hack teh security. Plus Gehotz wasn't the only person to allow CFW. Waninoko and others developed and launched CFW at the same time as him

Geohotz was the only one who publicly shouted "hey look at me, everyone knows who i am, i've made CFW for the PS3".

Its becoming more a certainty because of pre-owned selling. The gaming industry is losing millions in re-sell revenue. Imagine what you would do as a company to stem the flow of lost income? A 3rd party marketplace would still exist online, someone like TESCO springs to mind.

The way the gaming industry reacts to pre-owned games is ludicrous. Second hand purchasing exists everywhere. Cars, TV's, DVD's, SOfas, clothes......you can't really call it lost income, as people who buy pre-owned may never have bought the original product in the first place.

 

[Ali]

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/po...etwork-returns-will-your-trophies-return-too/

The situation sounds more serious that I thought - they'll have to rebuild the entire network. :\

I wouldn't be surprised if our accounts are wiped clean. I couldn't care less about trophies but I would hate to see my purchase history wiped clean.

Trophies are stored on your system, all you'd need to do is sync them up again.

 

[Haribo]

I only like to buy games on discs. Digital downloads charge you insane prices for games and there is no resale value.

I'm at a loss for words at the prices they charge on PSN for retail games. I understand they're probably unable to compete with the Jersey-based websites, but I would still expect it to be at least comparable to other stores. When Mass Effect 2 was released, I bought it for £28 from Zavvi (I think). The PlayStation store was charging £48. Hell, I still think they have the price that high.

As Hunter said, I like to have physical copies of things. Particularly when they come with little perks like maps/posters (hello Rockstar), and the manual. Granted, with most games I never need to read the manual. I want my games separate from my console so when the system inevitably kicks the bucket, playing the games on a replacement is far less hassle. Plus, how the hell are you supposed to take it to a mates to play if it's only assigned to your console?!

 

[Viperized]

The 'credit card risk' of PSN:

A document written by the hackers has clarified what they did and what privacy and security risks they believe the PlayStation 3 poses. The PS3's connection to PSN is protected by SSL. As is common to SSL implementations, the identity of the remote server is verified using a list of certificates stored on each PS3. The credit card and other information is sent over this SSL connection. So far so good; this is all safe, and your web browser depends on the same mechanisms for online purchases.

As flaws go, the risks here are not substantial. There is no generalized ability for hackers to grab credit cards from PSN users; only those using specially devised custom firmwares would be at risk. Essentially the same risk could be faced by anyone downloading a pirated version of Windows: extra certificates could be added to those normally trusted, along with suitable DNS entries, to allow interception of any traffic destined for, say, amazon.com. In practice, the risk of either of these is slight, and in any case, trivially avoided: don't use custom firmware.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...ing-stunning-lack-of-credit-card-security.ars

Got a hacked PS3? Good luck.

 

[Ali]

I'm at a loss for words at the prices they charge on PSN for retail games. I understand they're probably unable to compete with the Jersey-based websites, but I would still expect it to be at least comparable to other stores. When Mass Effect 2 was released, I bought it for £28 from Zavvi (I think). The PlayStation store was charging £48. Hell, I still think they have the price that high.

As Hunter said, I like to have physical copies of things. Particularly when they come with little perks like maps/posters (hello Rockstar), and the manual. Granted, with most games I never need to read the manual. I want my games separate from my console so when the system inevitably kicks the bucket, playing the games on a replacement is far less hassle. Plus, how the hell are you supposed to take it to a mates to play if it's only assigned to your console?!

The prices on the PSN movie store are even worse! It's like 7 quid for a 10 year old film, or a crappy B Movie that wasn't even released at the cinemas!

 

[chelsea11]

If you want to be pedantic, then we should blame fail0verflow as they were the ones to hack teh security. Plus Gehotz wasn't the only person to allow CFW. Waninoko and others developed and launched CFW at the same time as him

Geohotz was the only one who publicly shouted "hey look at me, everyone knows who i am, i've made CFW for the PS3".

I didn't understand any of that.. :faceplm: :blush: