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wont answer the cock ups that fifa produce just pes?
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wont answer the cock ups that fifa produce just pes?
Mate FIFA cock up quite a few things in FIFA 09, show me one post where I have said FIFA 09 IS perfect and bug free.
Point is, the game still gives you more control than PES2009, thats a fact for the reasons ive spent 2 days explaining to you.
CPU Automated= Less control
Full Manual control= more control
Log off yeah.
Mate FIFA cock up quite a few things in FIFA 09, show me one post where I have said FIFA 09 IS perfect and bug free.
Point is, the game still gives you more control than PES2009, thats a fact for the reasons ive spent 2 days explaining to you.
CPU Automated= Less control
Full Manual control= more control
Log off yeah.
its quite clear im not gona log off kid cus im talking about pes the game i like, fifa may feel like it has more control for you but not or me.. i play fifa on professional and im sick of how it makes the stats better instead of making the opp team more successful for example on professional slow fat defenders are as fast as torres etc to me so unrealistic....
you can go on till your blue in the face kid about your manual control but that doesn't change the fact of the above
Imo as long as there's a stats system a fair bit of cpu assistance should be involved, otherwise the stats mean jack shit like in Fifa 09. In a sense it does give you more freedom with passing direction/power but Pes 09 also gives you more freedom in the amount of plays you can execute and it really mirrors real life for me. You can attack from so many angles it's really beautiful. You can pull off Barca's quick triangles and 1-2s to a tee. Defending on the other hand is really bad and need some serious work. In Pes there is a massive difference when passing with Vidic and Riquelme, in Fifa barely noticeable. Full manual would be neat in say a BAP or BAL mode if your player has no accuracy stats, so passing and shooting is 100% based on your skill but when using an entire team it has a negative effect for me. Pes 09 is farrr from perfect but for me it's much more fun than Fifa 09.
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking![]()
Imo as long as there's a stats system a fair bit of cpu assistance should be involved, otherwise the stats mean jack shit like in Fifa 09. In a sense it does give you more freedom with passing direction/power but Pes 09 also gives you more freedom in the amount of plays you can execute and it really mirrors real life for me. You can attack from so many angles it's really beautiful. You can pull off Barca's quick triangles and 1-2s to a tee. Defending on the other hand is really bad and need some serious work. In Pes there is a massive difference when passing with Vidic and Riquelme, in Fifa barely noticeable. Full manual would be neat in say a BAP or BAL mode if your player has no accuracy stats, so passing and shooting is 100% based on your skill but when using an entire team it has a negative effect for me. Pes 09 is farrr from perfect but for me it's much more fun than Fifa 09.
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking![]()
Here's a video for FIFA 09:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdUzi3g_6zs&feature=fvw
And here for PES 2009:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnL2Vxym-Dw&feature=related
Try to be subjective and you'll observe that what I've said is true(no fanboy objectism!!!).
well said storm but i bet you all my savings tech will say your wrong you watch...
Can't say I agree with that old boy. I understand that the likes of Messi should by awesome, but they should only be almost impossible to stop in the right hands. For example, I consider myself a pretty good PES player, but I'm not a great dribler and I'm not one for tricks. Yet I can walk round any defender with Messi, AI or human-controlled, and tht just isn't right, and its something that didn't happen pre PES6. Now I think FIFA have it wrong at the other end of the scale, and they've made it too hard to beat a man with anyone. Hopefully someone will find a happy medium.Let me add something on the whole Messi and Etoo debacle in Pes 09 as well. Defenders fear them for a reason, and so should we as gamers. The way they do it just looks ugly in Pes 09 that's all. Just add some sexy animations and tweak a bit here and there and all should be well. Messi should continue to be almost impossible to stop 1 on 1 in games in the future.
Have to correct you there, soccer was a term coined in the 1800s to distinguish the two codes of football at the time, Association Football (soccer) and Rugby Football (rugger).Soccer is a stupid expression invented by americans.
Jeez, everyone is targeting me at the moment, Okay, your turn proevofan88....
Bottom line, you dont have to agree with what I say, but the bottom line is, I believe alot of what I say is very accurate.
I came on here demanding a feedback forum for this site, and PESGAMING delivered that, thats a step in the right direction. Despite people like RAMAXWY implying companies who ask for feedback dont know what they are doing, thats why they ask for it. Feedback like that, is part of the reason Konami make shit pes games these days, people dont understand what changes are vital and which can wait. A fedback forum on here is the fucking minimal requirements when developing a game. Below is the next step.
Ive also demanded one of the developers gets their ass on this forum, ive made it very clear, fuck WENB and those morons that run that joint, if Konami want the cold hard truth about the state of PES, they need to come here, Ill have a dialouge with one of them, trust me, after that, they will know what needs to be done.
About 3/4 months ago, I said in the PES2009 forum, that EA were going to bring over innoviative new ideas, and that Konami had to match them or die. I specifically made references to poor player directtional movement and CPU automated passing. 3/4 months later EA developed 360 movement, the talking point of the year so far and Konami have nothing so far that comes close.
Again, the list goes on, and this year, unless Konami are hiding amazing ideas from us, im calling another fifa landslide this year. For the simple reasons I keep going on about day in and day out.
1) Konami dont listen to fans, even when they started taking feedback, it was about 6 months too late and doesnt even count until PES2011, proof of how stupid they are.
2) They dont innovate alot, they tweak them same thing over and over again. When fifa was a horrible game (1998-2008) that was good enough, now EA are making serious football games, it not enough, if they dont innovate they will get ended. Look at PES3, then look at PES2009, the steps forward that have been made are argueably minimal, which is a disgrace.
3)They lie on a conistent basis, remember when they were gonna consider not releasing PES in 2009 if it wasnt gonna be a huge improvement? Remember how they said PES2008 was the best game to date, then did a u turn and said they knew it was shit and thought about scrapping it? Now it they are going to introduce 'exhaustive' changes, but most of them are minor and dont actually address the majority of issues serious pes fans have with the series.
Also, I think you are taking this '360 movement' a little too far. We dont know how well it will play until its done. And look at FIFA 09, that only had 8 way movement but you couldnt tell because the animations are nice.
Also, I think you are taking this '360 movement' a little too far. We dont know how well it will play until its done. And look at FIFA 09, that only had 8 way movement but you couldnt tell because the animations are nice.
In all honesty, I think that you dont like FIFA and that you just want the 'old pes feeling' back, like so many of us here.