shankly is god
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wont answer the cock ups that fifa produce just pes?
Psm3 thoughts on pes2010
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Tech_Skill
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Mate FIFA cock up quite a few things in FIFA 09, show me one post where I have said FIFA 09 IS perfect and bug free.
Point is, the game still gives you more control than PES2009, thats a fact for the reasons ive spent 2 days explaining to you.
CPU Automated= Less control
Full Manual control= more control
Log off yeah.
shankly is god
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its quite clear im not gona log off kid cus im talking about pes the game i like, fifa may feel like it has more control for you but not or me.. i play fifa on professional and im sick of how it makes the stats better instead of making the opp team more successful for example on professional slow fat defenders are as fast as torres etc to me so unrealistic....
you can go on till your blue in the face kid about your manual control but that doesn't change the fact of the above
RAMAXWY
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but still lacks the footballing soul.
buying a MICHAEL JACKSON outfit still won't help u if you can't dance.:w00t
Tech_Skill
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Yes, the stat attributes in fifa 09 are shite, so what, im not arguing that, were arguing about which game gives you more control.
Right, no more PES lessons for today I think.
shankly is god
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ha ha ok "god" thanks for showing me the light
Stormrider
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Imo as long as there's a stats system a fair bit of cpu assistance should be involved, otherwise the stats mean jack shit like in Fifa 09. In a sense it does give you more freedom with passing direction/power but Pes 09 also gives you more freedom in the amount of plays you can execute and it really mirrors real life for me. You can attack from so many angles it's really beautiful. You can pull off Barca's quick triangles and 1-2s to a tee. Defending on the other hand is really bad and need some serious work. In Pes there is a massive difference when passing with Vidic and Riquelme, in Fifa barely noticeable. Full manual would be neat in say a BAP or BAL mode if your player has no accuracy stats, so passing and shooting is 100% based on your skill but when using an entire team it has a negative effect for me. Pes 09 is farrr from perfect but for me it's much more fun than Fifa 09.
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking
RAMAXWY
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Imo as long as there's a stats system a fair bit of cpu assistance should be involved, otherwise the stats mean jack shit like in Fifa 09. In a sense it does give you more freedom with passing direction/power but Pes 09 also gives you more freedom in the amount of plays you can execute and it really mirrors real life for me. You can attack from so many angles it's really beautiful. You can pull off Barca's quick triangles and 1-2s to a tee. Defending on the other hand is really bad and need some serious work. In Pes there is a massive difference when passing with Vidic and Riquelme, in Fifa barely noticeable. Full manual would be neat in say a BAP or BAL mode if your player has no accuracy stats, so passing and shooting is 100% based on your skill but when using an entire team it has a negative effect for me. Pes 09 is farrr from perfect but for me it's much more fun than Fifa 09.
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking
well said.
Pantilimon
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Imo as long as there's a stats system a fair bit of cpu assistance should be involved, otherwise the stats mean jack shit like in Fifa 09. In a sense it does give you more freedom with passing direction/power but Pes 09 also gives you more freedom in the amount of plays you can execute and it really mirrors real life for me. You can attack from so many angles it's really beautiful. You can pull off Barca's quick triangles and 1-2s to a tee. Defending on the other hand is really bad and need some serious work. In Pes there is a massive difference when passing with Vidic and Riquelme, in Fifa barely noticeable. Full manual would be neat in say a BAP or BAL mode if your player has no accuracy stats, so passing and shooting is 100% based on your skill but when using an entire team it has a negative effect for me. Pes 09 is farrr from perfect but for me it's much more fun than Fifa 09.
As for feedback remember that Konami is Japanese and their huge Japanese fan base is their main target. The games will always cater towards Japanese players, who wouldn't touch Fifa with a 100 ft stick. I feel our opinions are an afterthought, as long as it doesn't conflict with Japanese gamers then there's a chance our ideas would be included. Remember Japan likes their games totally different to how westerners like them. That's just how I feel. Lucky for me I prefer their way of thinking
Yes, I think Japanese people see the world from their perspective.
Remember Captain Tsubasa anime,in that anime football is not football,just 22 kung fu players with super human abilityes.So they are trying to produce a football game through their perspective,not the real one.
PS:another thing that bother me is that they're saying soccer to football.Soccer is a stupid expression invented by americans.
Stormrider
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Let me add something on the whole Messi and Etoo debacle in Pes 09 as well. Defenders fear them for a reason, and so should we as gamers. The way they do it just looks ugly in Pes 09 that's all. Just add some sexy animations and tweak a bit here and there and all should be well. Messi should continue to be almost impossible to stop 1 on 1 in games in the future.
There's a huge flaw in the Pes AI tactical department that really needs some fixing. Many human players also make this grass root decision. When going up against United or Barca you just don't try to trade blows with them, especially if you're Stoke City. Just go and ask Real Madrid what happens when you attempt it. Usually teams should park the bus, try to hit on the counter and hope to walk away with a point like Chelsea did in the CL 1st leg. But most gamers don't think that. They think they can pick a good defense like Chelsea or Inter, just leave all the formation settings on default, let the 2 CBs do all the work, and attack Barca. Chances are you'll get burned inside out by Messi because he'll have so much space to work with.
I don't receive this fear in Fifa 09. Messi? C.Ronaldo?, Rooney, Drogba, Etoo? They're all the same! Hopefully EA will add more individuality to their players this year.
There's a huge flaw in the Pes AI tactical department that really needs some fixing. Many human players also make this grass root decision. When going up against United or Barca you just don't try to trade blows with them, especially if you're Stoke City. Just go and ask Real Madrid what happens when you attempt it. Usually teams should park the bus, try to hit on the counter and hope to walk away with a point like Chelsea did in the CL 1st leg. But most gamers don't think that. They think they can pick a good defense like Chelsea or Inter, just leave all the formation settings on default, let the 2 CBs do all the work, and attack Barca. Chances are you'll get burned inside out by Messi because he'll have so much space to work with.
I don't receive this fear in Fifa 09. Messi? C.Ronaldo?, Rooney, Drogba, Etoo? They're all the same! Hopefully EA will add more individuality to their players this year.
shankly is god
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well said storm but i bet you all my savings tech will say your wrong you watch...
I thought you were posting videos that highlited the "ice skating" animations. I did mention I play PES every night didn't I? Posting a random match didn't do anything for me.
RAMAXWY
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yup he will.
Can't say I agree with that old boy. I understand that the likes of Messi should by awesome, but they should only be almost impossible to stop in the right hands. For example, I consider myself a pretty good PES player, but I'm not a great dribler and I'm not one for tricks. Yet I can walk round any defender with Messi, AI or human-controlled, and tht just isn't right, and its something that didn't happen pre PES6. Now I think FIFA have it wrong at the other end of the scale, and they've made it too hard to beat a man with anyone. Hopefully someone will find a happy medium.
Have to correct you there, soccer was a term coined in the 1800s to distinguish the two codes of football at the time, Association Football (soccer) and Rugby Football (rugger).
Stormrider
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Thats any 1 defender Lugash. He can be stopped with many defenders. With the right setup he has nowhere to dribble to. I'm probably the only one who feels the elite players are fine the way they are though hehe. Seems like they're making it harder in this version though.
It was the same in every Pes, except 6. All of them you could dribble 1 end to the other and score on a consistent basis, only it looks different in each version. With Pes 5's (which most say is the hardest) auto sidestep, at 1st it was really awkward but once I got used to it, it was so easy to beat people, even with average dribblers like RVN.
If I remember right 6 was the only 1 that made it hard to beat defenders with a dribble but then passing was way too good and easy that you didn't need to dribble anyways.
It was the same in every Pes, except 6. All of them you could dribble 1 end to the other and score on a consistent basis, only it looks different in each version. With Pes 5's (which most say is the hardest) auto sidestep, at 1st it was really awkward but once I got used to it, it was so easy to beat people, even with average dribblers like RVN.
If I remember right 6 was the only 1 that made it hard to beat defenders with a dribble but then passing was way too good and easy that you didn't need to dribble anyways.
proevofan88
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Targeting you? Only because the way you lash out at everyone and starting cursing at everything that moves.
Believe me when I tell you: I know how shit KONAMI are.
But they have made strides this year that I have never before seen from there to connect with the community. So, I am willing to wait and see what they cook up. PES is not my life ( not saying that its yours either ) so if the game ends up sucking in the end, it will not make a difference to me even though I'd rather it doesnt.
Also, I think you are taking this '360 movement' a little too far. We dont know how well it will play until its done. And look at FIFA 09, that only had 8 way movement but you couldnt tell because the animations are nice.
In all honesty, I think that you dont like FIFA and that you just want the 'old pes feeling' back, like so many of us here.
And to people who are lashing out at him to simply argue with him: Do realize that KONAMI have taken us for a nice ride these last 2 years so dont let their promises reel you in again. Wait till both games are out and we shall see which is best.
I agree about the 360 degree movement.
As for FIFA 09, it has 8 direction movement when don't press the sprint button. When you're sprinting, it has 16 direction movement.
Tech_Skill
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1)The people who tested 360 movement said it was a major improvement.
You know another major improvement they have made involves the way defenders mark space rather than the man, you can see it in the 'fifa10 leaked gameplay video' (real or not real, you decide).
2) There was a poster on here once called 'trigglebeef' guy knows his shit about both games, we both agreed that the FIFA games are continuation of the good work finished in pes 6, I have always said I believe fifa 09/10 to be the true successors to pes 6, as fifa took the core elements of gameplay pes had and built on it. Thus why I always say that FIFA is now PES and PES is turning into the FIFA of old.
For that reason, I dont miss PES much, all fifa need to do is make sure the manager mode is engrossing as the master league, for features, this year it will be better of that i have no doubt, they just need to make sure it has the longevity, thats one of the final pieces of the puzzle.
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