Psm3 thoughts on pes2010

[shankly is god]

Here's the difference, fifa copied the ideas that needed copying.

Powerbars, and the other stuff were absolute nessecities.

If PES copy from fifa, copy the passing powerbar which lets you weight passes, copy the 360 movement, why copy custom tactics and then make it out to be revolutionary, when I personally dont think it is.

As I have said before, its not critcizing Konami for copying, its critzicing the for the ideas that they are copying.

Who in their right mind is gonna turn down Fifa's 360 movement, because PES has tactics sliders, that you can pretty much get in fifa 09 custom tactics anyways? And for Proevofan 88, yes the sliders do work in fifa and there are way more of them then in the new PES game too, allowing you more control.

I guess what im trying to say is, PES2010 has a lack of Unique Selling points. (which come as a result of innovative ideas)

That differentiator to make a customer think "Actually, i really wanna try this aspect of the game, I cant get this anywhere else but in PES, thats why I have to buy it"

What customers will think is "Thats good, but I can get most if not all of this, in the other game (FIFA), plus additional extras PES doesnt have"

This the reason they will lose again this year.

now I really have herd it all..you say that fifa only copied what they needed to? please do elaborate mate

and you say who is gona turn down the 360 dribbling for all you kno it could be a flop..

in my mind people always copy you see it all the time not just in games... its how you utilize and improve making it seemingly different, thats what counts...
from what i gather i pes uses powerbars and a greater tactics dynamic then its a rip off ... you really are to much of a fifa fan to even consider pro evo now arn't you??

im not looking for a fight or someway you can be insutling im just stating youve only herd what fifa "promise" and still i think they will fail but lets see....

for me pes is the one looking the most improved as david rutter stating EA have fixed problems that really should never have been done in the first place the only thing that made me raise an eyebrow was manager mode where you can have practice matches to improve ya tactics... still no news on improving other aspects of fifa like BAP, tournament mode, UT..while online has very limited improvements...

pes how ever does seem to me vastly improved, graphically and now with movement now supposedly improved it looks the more complete package..

but thats what i gather....

 

[Tech_Skill]

now I really have herd it all..you say that fifa only copied what they needed to? please do elaborate mate

and you say who is gona turn down the 360 dribbling for all you kno it could be a flop...

1) Powerbar. etc

You actually edited, your post I think when you realised I didnt say "fifa doesnt copy pes".

360 dribbling.............


Official fifa 10 demonstration interview with actual gameplay videos showing how each new addition works, is now in the fifa 10 thread.

Judge for yourself.

 

[shankly is god]

1) Powerbar. etc

You actually edited, your post I think when you realised I didnt say "fifa doest copy pes".

360 dribbling.............


Official fifa 10 demonstration interview with actually gameplay videos showing how each new addition works, is now in the fifa 10 thread.

Judge for yourself.

yer i saw it on youtube... it does look better im not saying it wont....you must admit you having ago at us saying we have only herd about pes 2010 and saying wow its amazing gona be the best.... when you only hear about 360 dribbling and say its over already and give EA the bragging rights.....

ive seen footage in the david rutter interview and to me mate gameplay doesnt look all that different just few updated moves that all...but again only my opinion

 

[Tech_Skill]

yer i saw it on youtube... it does look better im not saying it wont....you must admit you having ago at us saying we have only herd about pes 2010 and saying wow its amazing gona be the best.... when you only hear about 360 dribbling and say its over already and give EA the bragging rights.....

ive seen footage in the david rutter interview and to me mate gameplay doesnt look all that different just few updated moves that all...but again only my opinion

Your opinion.

And fifa 10 will not be perfect and it will have bugs, of that im sure of it.

Looks very good to me though, still more to see though.

 

[shaun7]

*Yawn *

I didnt mean the playing cards are in FIFA, obviously they are not

I am saying, they have a couple of cards

AND SOME SLIDERS THAT ARE IN ANOTHER GAME.

(Referring to the silders only)

Lol.....some of the rubbish I read on here is just hilarious

Okay then, you take your responsivness, and move in 8 directions, with the computer assisting nearly every move.

Ill take 360 movement, with total control over passing, shootng, set peices (to a degree) , penalties.

When pes finally gets 360 movement, (prolly in pes 2020 or summin) the usuals will be gushing with "Amazing, unreal, this is gonna be the best"

Enough already, wev'e heard it before from usuals on here

If the idea is in FIFA = "It might not work, we cant judge it yet"
When the idea is in PES "Sounds awesome, amazing etc"

Good review about PES= "This game is going to be great"
Bad review about PES= "Lets wait until it comes out, the reviewer is just trying to cause a stir"

Konami must be pissing themsevles at some of you people, 1st they made you believe they have been working on this since 2008 and in that time they have come up with a few new animations, A tactics slider and some player cards, and changed the currency in master league from "5000" to "5 Million" or summin

And some of you think this is acceptable.

When in one year, the other game gives you unparralled control over dribbling, and set peices and totally revamps the career mode.

L-O-L.

That alone tells you PES isnt progressing properly.

Nearly 10 years plus of master league and they still havent even worked out a way for you to be more than one team in a career mode, on a ps3/xbox 360 which gives them more power than ever?

Fuck-outta-here.

No one can reason with you.

Okay then, you take your responsivness, and move in 8 directions, with the computer assisting nearly every move.

Ill take 360 movement, with total control over passing, shootng, set peices (to a degree) , penalties.

How in hell can you know that it'll be computer assisted? :doh:
I am sorry to say this but you are not seeing reality.
THIS IS A PES FORUM SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT.
I already said that I do not do what you said, so why do you continue to quote me?
FOR BOTH FIFA AND PES, I SAY, LET'S WAIT AND SEE.
Also the word sounds awesome means that it sonds good, but that doesn't mean that it is going to be good. There's a difference.

 

[Tech_Skill]

No one can reason with you.


How in hell can you know that it'll be computer assisted? :doh:
.

Who is controlling the weight of the pass?

duhhhhhhhh

Not you.

The

Computer

chooses

the

weight

for

you

All you do, is press 'x' and the cpu does the rest for you.

Newsflash, thats CPU assisted.

Next time i'll try morse code.

Hold on: Unless you actually think there is going to be semi_manual, manual passing in PES2010???

Here we go again

"They can still put in manual passing, even though the game is 2/3 months away from completion, you dont know it wont be in there"

I dont mind people who like PES, what i find very sad, is this 'church of pes' where people delude themselves repeatedly into thinking konami are hiding amazing ideas which would help sales of their game deliberatley.

Let me, guess, despite the fact the version douggie played didnt have non-assisted passing, the fact this was a "50% build" which is gonna be nothing like the actual version (yea right), means they are gonna totally revise the game in the next couple months, with changes they havent made in about 5/6 years.

Ok.........

 

[shankly is god]

to correct you tech skill you are in some control mate..you press it it passes yes to the player you want but you hold the 'x' for longer passes... and if i remember correctly the same happens on fifa..just cus you have a power bar doesn't mean that it wont get to someone...only when you turn off all the assists on your setting then you can judge the pass.

 

[shaun7]

Who is controlling the weight of the pass?

duhhhhhhhh

Not you.

The

Computer

chooses

the

weight

for

you

All you do, is press 'x' and the cpu does the rest for you.

Newsflash, thats CPU assisted.

Next time i'll try morse code.

Hold on: Unless you actually think there is going to be semi_manual, manual passing in PES2010???

Here we go again

"They can still put in manual passing, even though the game is 2/3 months away from completion, you dont know it wont be in there"

I dont mind people who like PES, what i find very sad, is this 'church of pes' where people delude themselves repeatedly into thinking konami are hiding amazing ideas which would help sales of their game deliberatley.

Let me, guess, despite the fact the version douggie played didnt have non-assisted passing, the fact this was a "50% build" which is gonna be nothing like the actual version (yea right), means they are gonna totally revise the game in the next couple months, with changes they havent made in about 5/6 years.

Ok.........

I never mentioned manual passes. I was talking about cpu controlling your players. They say it'll be fixed I hope it is. I want passing to be like pes5/6 where you really had to press the right direction for the pass to be good. Passing took skill in that game.
BTW not even in pes 09 they do as you say. If I press X the pass will never hit where I want it to go. Let's not go too extreme now.
But I agree that pes 09 was too com assisted. Pes 6 and 5 were the best. Pes 5 especially took real skill instead of luck.
Fifa 09's passing directions are really good, but the speed is not. The short pass speed is always too low. But overall passing in fifa 09 is better than in pes 09.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I never mentioned manual passes. I was talking about cpu controlling your players. They say it'll be fixed I hope it is. I want passing to be like pes5/6 where you really had to press the right direction for the pass to be good. Passing took skill in that game.

Lol, Lol and Lol

1) In pes the CPU controls your players passing, thats a fact, the only thing you can do alter is the direction of the pass and wether its short or long, unless you use that analouge stick passing stuff, which personally most people dont, because its not that great, imo.

2) PES 5 passing did not really take that much skill. Pick one of 8 directions, press 'x', keeping possesion in PES is fucking piss easy. No weighting needed, picka direction, press x, hope the computer lets it go on target

3) So you wouldnt want proper powerbar passing in pes 2010? you dont want to weight you own passes with buttons, you'd rather leave it to the CPU to do that for you? Typical 'church of pes' stuff there

"I dont want a proper next gen game, just make it like pes5/6 and ill be happy"

 

[shankly is god]

Lol, Lol and Lol

1) In pes the CPU controls your players passing, thats a fact, the only thing you can do alter is the direction of the pass and wether its short or long, unless you use that analouge stick passing stuff, which personally most people dont, because its not that great, imo.

2) PES 5 passing did not really take that much skill. Pick one of 8 directions, press 'x', keeping possesion in PES is fucking piss easy. No weighting needed, picka direction, press x, hope the computer lets it go on target

3) So you wouldnt want proper powerbar passing in pes 2010? you dont want to weight you own passes with buttons, you'd rather leave it to the CPU to do that for you? Typical 'church of pes' stuff there

"I dont want a proper next gen game, just make it like pes5/6 and ill be happy"

mate your being very fickle none o us have said make it like pes 5 we want the same passion the level of reward that feeling of true football... you do have very valid points and yes they do need addressed..but you must understand neither game is out yet and any real perception of game play has been understood..

 

[Tech_Skill]

mate your being very fickle none o us have said make it like pes 5 we want the same passion the level of reward that feeling of true football... you do have very valid points and yes they do need addressed..but you must understand neither game is out yet and any real perception of game play has been understood..

He just said he wants the passing to be like PES5

And ive seen comments before like

"If they go back to PES6 gameplay, it will be the best"

No it wont,

Because the gameplay has evolved since then, unfortunatley for konami, on another football game.

I dont know why anyone is suprised this has happened, PES has taken tiny steps since pes3 onwards, thats why Fifa closed a huge gap and overtook them in the space of two titles.

 

[Hunter]

Lol.....some of the rubbish I read on here is just hilarious

Okay then, you take your responsivness, and move in 8 directions, with the computer assisting nearly every move.

Ill take 360 movement, with total control over passing, shootng, set peices (to a degree) , penalties.

Please stop using "lol" several times in the same post. I don't mind people having opinions, I don't mind people preferring FIFA, but when you post in the manner you do with your wording and then state "some of the rubbish I read on here is just hilarious" - then that's when the arguments arise.

Of course I'd rather have 360-degree movement but it doesn't bother me that much, when the other option in the market is FIFA (which I don't find all that fun). I'll agree that FIFA's passing is excellent and you do have a total control feeling to it - but shooting? You've got to be joking right? There is set outcomes and paths which the ball follows in FIFA when shooting, and that's evident, I've hit the same shot more than 10 times in a row when trying in the Arena, with exactly the same swerve and outcome. That's just not total control, sorry, passing you can put out there, but definitely not shooting. Even set-pieces, there's not a great deal of difference between the games, the only downpoint with PES is that the CPU scores too many free-kicks.

I haven't read the last 10 or so posts because of the total control shooting claim, just thought I needed to address the outlandish claim.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Please stop using "lol" several times in the same post. I don't mind people having opinions, I don't mind people preferring FIFA, but when you post in the manner you do with your wording and then state "some of the rubbish I read on here is just hilarious" - then that's when the arguments arise.

Of course I'd rather have 360-degree movement but it doesn't bother me that much, when the other option in the market is FIFA (which I don't find all that fun). I'll agree that FIFA's passing is excellent and you do have a total control feeling to it - but shooting? You've got to be joking right? There is set outcomes and paths which the ball follows in FIFA when shooting, and that's evident, I've hit the same shot more than 10 times in a row when trying in the Arena, with exactly the same swerve and outcome. That's just not total control, sorry, passing you can put out there, but definitely not shooting. Even set-pieces, there's not a great deal of difference between the games, the only downpoint with PES is that the CPU scores too many free-kicks.

I haven't read the last 10 or so posts because of the total control shooting claim, just thought I needed to address the outlandish claim.

You keep talking about the arena, one quick question for you.

What was shooting set to, assisted, semi or manual?

Please let me know, because it sounds like you forgot to take the shooting off assisted.

 

[Hunter]

You keep talking about the arena, one quick question for you.

What was shooting set to, assisted, semi or manual?

Please let me know, because it sounds like you forgot to take the shooting off assisted.

I've no idea to be honest, my FIFA is on Ebay at the moment so I don't particularly want to take it out the box again because I'll probably somehow break it. Just wondering though, why is there even an option to have it assisted etc? Surely it would make more sense to just accompany the differences with the changes in CPU difficulty.

I assume I'm not the only one to notice, but I preferred the gameplay in the Arena as opposed to on the actual pitch. I could score from outside the box on Arena but for the life of me struggled to score more than one or two outside the area competitively. I think when it comes to shooting, PES has that edge of more unpredictability which is needed.

I don't really care for arguments though, healthy debates yes but these last few pages have been nothing short of ridiculous. Lets draw a line under these FIFA vs. PES arguments because everyone is getting confused and posting unecessary things, and in stupid manners. I'm just glad to see people haven't resorted to name-calling.

It's understandable that there will be FIFA vs. PES debates, there always will be, but everyone needs to be careful how they word there arguments.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I've no idea to be honest, .

I promise you it was assisted.

I know this because even on semi-manual the shots are very hard to control at first and even alot of the die hards cannot handle fully manual shooting.

Also the severe swerve is down to assisted shooting, so i know exactly what you talking about.

Assisted is a joke, its a struggle to hit the ball wide of goal and its arcs a lot, that cos the cpu is trying to get it on target or near for you.

One that shit gets taken off, its a different game.

 

[shankly is god]

i like fifa now that i ound the manual settings..im seeing alot more animations than when i had it all assisted..but thats just movement nothings else

 

[Tech_Skill]

i like fifa now that i ound the manual settings..im seeing alot more animations than when i had it all assisted..but thats just movement nothings else

Cool, but getting back to the point.

How does years in the making=

Tactics gage

Player cards

and

Money in Manger mode

Come on now, didnt seasbass say we was gonna give the game a complete overhaul?

 

[shankly is god]

Cool, but getting back to the point.

How does years in the making=

Tactics gage

Player cards

and

Money in Manger mode

Come on now, didnt seasbass say we was gonna give the game a complete overhaul?

the game is not finished mate..its only 50% according to reports...there are things in fifa that havent been mentioned yet im betting

 

[Hunter]

Cool, but getting back to the point.

How does years in the making=

Tactics gage

Player cards

and

Money in Manger mode

Come on now, didnt seasbass say we was gonna give the game a complete overhaul?

Who says real currency is a major point? It's a nice little addition that has been called for by the western world - they're a Japanese based company and for all we know the Asian consumers may not have asked for real currency hence why it's taken a couple of years for Konami to decide to implement it into the game.

It just seems to me as if you're purposefully attempting to find reasons to slate PES 2010 despite it not even being finished, nor played properly. The way I see it, is the tactics slider is a welcome addition, as is the new cards system and currency.

For all we know, the online mode could be excellent once again with one or two surprises. There could also be several new animations to help smoothen the gameplay. It's apparently a more realistic sim which is always a good thing.

I just don't understand how you're going about the thread seemingly looking for arguments. No matter what you say to counter argue "I was merely trying say this and that" - it's quite obvious there's provocation involved.

Afterall isn't it about gameplay? For all I care, they could make very little new additions, but as long as the gameplay is immense then there is absolutely no problems. At the end of the day, it's about playing an enjoyable game of football, we just have to see but it's looking bright so far to me.

 

[Tech_Skill]

the game is not finished mate..its only 50% according to reports...there are things in fifa that havent been mentioned yet im betting

Okay, lets see what they come up with 2 months to go, its a bit funny they have 'spent years' on this game but still havent put the major improvements in until months before release.......

Someone is lying somewhere.