You know what, I'm sick of your presumptuous bullshit, you pretentious twat. I said it "looks like they're taking a massive stride", present tense, which is a suggestion that this game could be very good based on what we've seen from Konami, not "they've taken". Very similar phrases but completely different meanings. Why don't you actually read my post properly next time rather than seeing what you want to see.
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You know what, I'm sick of your presumptuous bullshit, you pretentious twat. I said it "looks like they're taking a massive stride", present tense, which is a suggestion that this game could be very good based on what we've seen from Konami, not "they've taken". Very similar phrases but completely different meanings. Why don't you actually read my post properly next time rather than seeing what you want to see.
Tech_Skill
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You can take that shit post and wipe your ass with it, here's your post....
Thats like me saying "From the looks of pes 2011 i think its taking major strides to beating fifa 12, despite fifa 12 not even being released and the fact i havent even seen it yet".
How you can talk about massive strides to reclaiming the throne 'from 1 mins worth of gameplay footage, and not even seeing what will be included in the rival game doesnt make sense to me.
Its like when you said you could tell how good the animations in the game were from still shots....lmao
Now, dont make me have to address such shit posting again.
hi friend just to correct you FIFA 12 is not the name of EA'S next installment its actually FIFA 11 hope this clears up any confusion for you and helps you in future posts
take care x
Tech_Skill
Registered User
Are you for real?
Stick to reading spot the dog, you aint ready for pesgaming son, it was an example of someone making judgement between two games when one hasnt even been released yet and no one knows for sure whats even in it, for example fifa 11...another example fifa 12.
Consider yourself very lucky i have a yellow card.
fick
Registered User
Consider yourself very lucky you have one. I'm bored of the antagonostic comments. Clean up or face a ban.
"They're taken" is clearly a grammatical error, no subject-verb agreement, and I didn't notice it until you pointed it out.
I've already addressed this and explained what I meant, if you wanna continue ignoring that then thats your problem.
Because I didn't base it purely on gameplay footage. Konami is changing its approach to making PES and that's always the first step to a better game.
This is another example of you hearing what you want to hear. I never once said I could tell the animations were good based on screenshots. I said could understand how screenshots may suggest things about the game in motion and why some people would be optimistic about seeing them.
Ooh! I'm really shitting it now! Don't make me have to smell your pretentious stench again.
Ultimate777
Banned
No no no no no!! You got it all wrong there son. PES was initially cutting egde stuff because of its simplicity, players were more robust, resilient with a proper balance between individual players abilities that didnt allow certain players to abuse the game.
Konami's biggest mistake was trying to change the DNA of the game when it moved to nextgen and changint to teamvision AI. Thats what has and will continue to corrupt the game
No one is expecting the perfect game, We are simply asking them to bring it MUCH closer to what we see on TV. This is achieved through introducing hundreds of more variables that make each single moment, in each single game UNIQUE. The more the variables and the more the possibilities of what you can do, the closer it is to real soccer, and the more fun and authentic the experience feels.
Konami now fails in almost all aspects because of its limited freedom auto mated ai assistence and cliche goals that you expect to score in every game, its no longer free flowing football instead its a parody of real life.
Watch this video of the this garbage of a game with all the bugs in all its glory and tell me seriously that PES2010 was only at fault because of how the human player couldnt control some important aspects in passing. The game was corrupt from top to bottom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tc_I1eF9o
PES 5/6 had the correct balance between simulation and a fun, playable game engine. Obviously the shouldnt have have released it on the PS3 and just glossed it up in terms of graphics. But they should have kept it as its base to build and add around it as there was only miniature complaints mainly with goalkeepers and and defense issues needing tightening up. Now there are so many problems with this new base they are using that I could write a story about, and they are not going away by simply adding in the pass bar
At the moment they seem to be caught between trying to take the series in a different direction whilst still incorporating the same mechanics and formula of the old rigid engine that they've adopted on nextgen, and what's resulted is a fast paced ping pong arcade game.
Theres far more work to do than simply introducing manual passing
Tech_Skill
Registered User
Oh my it gets even worse, so if you didn't make the below comments based on gameplay footage alone, what exactly did you make them on then, did the still pictures help you reach that judgement also or was it the impressions which confirmed there is still many things that need rectifying....LMAO.
I mean from what I saw most of the journo's who played the game were less positive than you, and all youv'e seen is a few screenshots and seconds of gameplay footage.
You can dodge and re interpret and backtrack all you like, the bottom line is, most sensible people are waiting to see more from the game before declaring its taken massive steps towards overcoming fifa......
Especially when.........
Nobody
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For sure.
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Jonny16
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I do agree with you
One thing PES really needs is a program which makes tackles,shots, jostling etc unique every time...basically the Euphoria engine!
I was sick of seeing a challenge from behind and my player just kind of falling backwards on his ass...it was weird.
Passing was just my main gripe really. Thats what really ground my gears, not being able to pass it where i wanted it to go, missing out on through balls and opportunities time and time again.
Weather would be a good variable too. Snow and rain, with water dripping on the camera when it rains (like in F1 games) and snow around the edge of the camera and pitch.
Makes you seem that little bit more "involved", actually there.
Persistent one, aren't you? I'm not gonna bother explaining my point of view to you again because you won't bother taking it for what it is, your schtick seems to be twist words to antagonize. 'Debating' with you, and I use that term loosely, is a monumental waste of time, brain power, and infractions. I'm just gonna ignore you, like I ignore my two-year-old niece when she throws a tantrum.
I like the idea of wether affecting play, they had it on the old PS2 versions but I never felt they made it as effective as it could've been. The ball should have a more noticeable 'sloppiness' in wet weather (passes falling short, etc) and make you compensate slick passing movement for a more helter-skelter approach. Certain types of players should be out of their element.
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Ultimate777
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I do agree with you
One thing PES really needs is a program which makes tackles,shots, jostling etc unique every time...basically the Euphoria engine!
I was sick of seeing a challenge from behind and my player just kind of falling backwards on his ass...it was weird.
Passing was just my main gripe really. Thats what really ground my gears, not being able to pass it where i wanted it to go, missing out on through balls and opportunities time and time again.
Weather would be a good variable too. Snow and rain, with water dripping on the camera when it rains (like in F1 games) and snow around the edge of the camera and pitch.
Makes you seem that little bit more "involved", actually there.
That would be luvvvlaay. The thing is I remember waiting for 2008 pes and thinking these improvements were all likely possibilities because the game was top notch on ps2 and all they really needed was to take advantage of the power of PS3 and put in the different variables surrounding the gameply like collision impact, wheather effecting the pitch conditons and players reactions and that would have been it. I thought there is no way they can mess this up its surely going to be the ultimate football game ever made. Sadly things took a turn for the worst and the rest is history.
You look at the improvement on Metel Gear Solid from ps2 to PS3 and konami managed it fine as they implemented and took advantage of the nextgen and you sat in awe of the new features
Now ask yourself does anything you see in any of the newer PES on nextgen make you believe they couldnt do it on the PS2? Im yet to see anything make me go ''wow thats real advancement for football using such technology on next gen?
Jonny16
Registered User
I would think Konami care much more about Metal Gear Solid as its like their flagship game, when you think Konami you think MGS.
Honestly though, theres nothing in PES games these days that make me think "wow this is true next gen footballing". Its kind of lame...
filthydani
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I have a strong feeling that a pes2011 version of this video will be out after the game is released
Jonny16
Registered User
lol im sincerely hoping that wont happen!
Die Hard Pes Fan
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In the three days I played FIFA (only played it against my mate online) I noticed that in one of the matches it was snowing, and I have to admit it done a great job as the ball skided further once hitting the ground. I started a MM with man city but found it boring so technically I didn't just play online
but I mainly did lol.
Jonny16
Registered User
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7_JcR_lj-I
The fact that it changes the game visually is good. The fact that it changes the way you play, even better.
The fact that it changes the game visually is good. The fact that it changes the way you play, even better.
thenotsogood
Registered User
On the weather aspect, on FIFA 10 the ball bounces away from you more in rain, and when rolling on the floor it gets restricted. Maybe some questions can be asked about the exact realism of it, but having to change how you play is a nice touch. One that I remember was in PES last-gen but I'm not so sure.
One problem I find with game developers (moreso EA and Konami with their footy) is that they're not willing to scrap something if it needs total re-work. I often think Konami's engine needs to be put in the bin and re-done. That way they can create new boundaries for features they need (if that makes sense).
One problem I find with game developers (moreso EA and Konami with their footy) is that they're not willing to scrap something if it needs total re-work. I often think Konami's engine needs to be put in the bin and re-done. That way they can create new boundaries for features they need (if that makes sense).
TheStanchion
Registered User
I agree. But the problem is that they need to churn out a PES game every year. It would be too much work to scrap the engine, design a new one and then get a new game working in that time. That's why all this talk of the 'blue-sky' team has me confused. If they did actually start work on PES2011 when PES2010 was being developed, why not start from scratch?