Seriously, wtf has Konami done this year to the AI???

[jdlsantos]

Definitely, Konami brought this crap in under the guise of 'teamvision', but its simply ramped up AI cheating. The main CPU tactic, is simply to rush which ever one of your players has the ball with about 3 attackers, if you successfully pass it around them and exploit the gaps they leave, you will be amazed at how fast these AI players can then bolt back up the other end of the pitch and defend the CPU goal, its crazy, no skill about it.

PREACH!!!!!!


With me it's gotten to the point where I can tell when the CPU wants/will to score. I wouldn't mind it as much if it wasn't so blatantly obvious.

-Your AI Defenders sidestepping away from an attacker in your box.

-Passing it back to your keeper so he kick it to the midfield only to flick it to an oncoming attacker so he can score.

-Average rated players pulling off Ronaldo/Ronaldinho-like moves to beat all your defenders.

-Goalies parrying a shot and suddenly fall asleep on the pitch and lose any reflexes to pounce on the ball if it's close to him.

-AI having a sudden burst of superhuman speed. Countless times I've checked replays in slow motion only to see some AI goon glide through the pitch, get around your player and steal the ball.



I can go on and on but the issues this game has are the same I've been complaining about since WE9(PES5).

 

[Amateur]

The AI has always cheated in pro evo, but in the last 2 years its got out of control to be honest. The game has been made harder not because the AI can actually play good football, but because at the key moments (on very hard/top player) the CPU disables the AI players and surrounding you whilst its players take on some form of superhuman ability.

Its called 'GOD MODE', when the AI decides its going to score and short of luck, their isnt much you can do about it.

How many times on top player/very hard, have you been dominating a game, gone 1-0 up, then ALL OF A SUDDEN, your attackers dont move forward anymore, dont run into space to exploit the through ball, your passing becomes way off and CPU become incredibly hard to tackle?

Now you know why.

PES AI doesn't actually play great football, it makes things harder for the player by disadvantaging you rather than outplaying you.

In my opinion.

This is WHY the Gameplay needs New Concepts, because the game is starting to show its Age more and more with each passing year.

Now that I think about it, I think the PS2 versions of PES6 shows less age than the New one. Graphics are poor on the PS2 versions, but the Gameplay quality was much better and offered superior "replay value".

Simply put, the series needs New Concepts CAPABLE of Revolutionizing the Gameplay.

 

[WEFORLIFE]

This is the worst in its series, mainly because of the stupid AI.
-The way they run is crazy. I already saved a few replays showing that the AI running away from penalty box, while I'm in possesion and finding a good chance to makle a pass forward!!

-The passing is SO AWFUL! Even AI controlled teams also deliver horrible pass!

-Do you ever experience two of your players collide, and lose the ball? This is realistic? Or the lose ball is around your player, but your player just run through it?

-The most irritating, the AI always automatically goes into a slide tackle without your command...this is total insane! It really make me go mad when in the last minute, this happen and give away penalty!!!Bloody Fxxking AI!!!!

This is the first time in its series to have such a big problems. I play Winning Eleven since WE6. It used to be a good game, realistic and need good defence skill because you must rely solely on your defend skill to protect the game. Now, no more, the game is spoiled, the attacking players always find no good chance to deliver fatal pass, even when already see the chance, very often, the pass is so extremely terrible. This really drives people mad because you already clearly see the chance, but the pass, always unsuccessful!

I am a serious die hard fan of this game. I only play two games in recent years. One of it is Konami Winning Eleven. But now, Konami really let me feel dissapointed. Although it still might have few minor problems in the past version, it is still acceptable, but this one, it makes you don't have much mood to play! I am sure if Konami repeat this, they will definitely loss it's consumer to EA.

To be honest, I do hope that EA keep work hard to improve FIFA game. I haven't touch FIFA since FIFA1999. I changed to WE. We play WE ddefinitely because of it's gameplay, not because of Konami. This is the first time I feel so dissapointed with winning eleven, and this is the final time I can tolerate this. How can Konami make the passing and ruuning and systems damm stupid, rather than develop AI??!

The Konami Top Management should take serious action Or they will loss completely the battle to EA in very near future.

 

[OptimusPrime]

like I Said Before And Will Say Again...konami Can't Improve The Ai Because The Game Will Become Too Easy And People Will Get Bored With It..so They Try To Make The Game More "competitive" By Putting In More Cheats ( Like Those Bullshit Invisibile Walls And Force Fields When You Can'T Run Up On AN Ai Player) And Disabling Your Teammates. On Top Of That They Fucked Up Your Control And Handling Of The Game...why???????????... Because That's The Only Thing They Can Do To Create A Match Worthy Game....so Don't Expect Much For 2010 Unless They Give The Ai A Complete Overhaul....sometimes I Think That Somebody That Left The Company Created The Ai And The People Left Behind Don't Know What The Fuck To Do With It....

 

[john4]

I bought this game in the 2nd week of its release and have been trying everything since, including taking lots of good honest suggestions from here - so I've given it enough time. Apart from marginal improvements here and there after tweaking some tactics, the AI is still horribly pathetic. Wingers just standing around near the half line while I'm in attack, strikers standing outside the edge of the box while I cross it in, midfielders either near my own box or the opposition, leaving the centre of the field, more often than not, empty etc etc etc!

Infact for the first time ever I actually tried FIFA properly and whatever its faults may be, the AI on that game is easily superior to PES. How the hell did this happen - EA actually trumping Konami in an aspect of gameplay? I really think that there has been some change of personnel in the PES team at Konami because I just don't see any other explanation for the lack of effort in this year's version.

All I want to know is how do Konami gauge the fans' opinions of the latest version of their games. Do we know if the focus next year is on improvement of gameplay or another new useless mode like Champions League?

i dont know how they play football in japan but judging by this game konami havent been watching any EPL games to get there info. the fullbacks also never overlap your wingers.

its strange because everything you said does happen, then suddenly in one game everybody makes great runs and passes.

FIFA is good this year, the AI is better but the computer just isnt a challenge, increasing the difficulty just makes it harder to score, the com never score, they walk straight into the keeper 1on1 or just cross constantly, it becomes old fast, then again the only reason the com scores on PES is becuase of its cheap tactics, undefendable corners, brambles awesome freekicks and of course a fanny tap which the keeper spills and is the rather boringly tapped in. neither game has sorted the attacking AI to a high standard, the only difference is FIFA havent tried to employ cheap tactics in order to cover it up

 

[gooderz]

i think the defenders are getting tighter to their man

 

[trigglebeef]

i think the defenders are getting tighter to their man

More like the attackers are getting tighter to the defenders. In Fifa your palyers make intelligent runs and the defenders track them intelligently. In PES the defenders stand still and the attackers run over to them and hold hands, or stand behind them as if they're hiding from you.