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lukazan

Registered User
One of the things that is REALLY pishing me off the most about PES3 at the moment is shooting. In real life football players shoot in all kinds of different ways and styles, often ending up with amazing curl on the ball. But in PES3 this just isn't present.

There are like what? 2 different shooting animations from distance... the pretty cool (but rare) one shown here http://showusmiracle.com/goals/368-DiVaio.avi and that really crappy one that seems to be the animation for 99.9% of long range shots, the one where the player kind of leans over the ball and then seems to slice it. It looks absolutely tosh and I can say I have never seen a footballer strike the ball in this way. Not only the shooting animations, but the way the ball behaves after it has been struck makes it very difficult to score long rangers. 99.9% of the time it curls outwards, which is stupid. Most shots curl inwards and everyone knows this. And because of this, it is probably impossible to score a goal like Pires' Vs Liverpool this season, infact I am so confident that it can't be accomplished that I CHALLENGE anyone to score a goal like it and show it to me... GO ON have a go...

Now I know that long range goals in real life are scored few and far between but I see them alot more in real football than in PES3. Infact that Di Vaio goal up there is the only long range goal I have seen without the keeper being off his line in this game. Well that goal isn't actually from PES3, it is from WE7, which brings me to believe that they can only be scored in WE7 and not PES3 because shooting to me does seem better in WE7 then PES3.. (trust me, both games are NOT identical.)

So for PES4 I want to see AT LEAST 7-8 different shooting animations, and I want that crappy sliced one OUT. I also want to see alot more curl on the ball. Even free kicks, you can get alot of curl, but you can't get Beckham Vs Everton/Portsmouth style curl and I see no reason why you shouldn't. Someone made a thread entitled 'Bend it like........ any footballer can' and they were saying that the ball doesn't curl enough on free kicks and shots and I totally agree. I could honestly say that I could probably get more curl than the players do in PES3, both in shooting and free kicks.

I haven't put this in PES4 suggestions because what I don't want is 5-6 people to say "Yes, good idea." etc, and then the thread die, I want this issue to be discussed properly.

Lukazan.

(And when I say 99.99 of the time, I don't mean 99.9% of the time! That's for anyone who is thinking of making a smart remark about the two times I have said it.


















I meant 99.8% of the time. )
 
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umdiddley

Registered User
yeah the ball rarely seems to curl from long range it seems the curl stat is only relevant for freekicks!!!

pes4 curl stat should be added for long ranges too....

and keepers seem to do some gay dive were the look exactly like this : ''/ '' or '\''
when the ball goes the opposite direction

and i think for long range freekicks you should be able to make a person in the wall run to the ball very quickly and block it if the person tries to aim over them, you should be able to select who in the walk you want to run towards the ball....... not just walk towards it!!!! e.g like scholes does for man utd!!!

attackers should be more aware of through balls not just look at it as it flicks their foot!!

and i hope they make the handball AI work against the opposition in their own half and penalty area....so many times i have seen the computers defender blatantly handball in their own penalty area
 
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Trezeguet

Banned
It does, if U observe the replay closely.
To me always very useful, like curlingin from an acute angle the keeper thought I was crossing.
 
mutu

mutu

Betting Guru
who knows maybe certain players can curl the more, say perhaps del piero

say perhaps by using his special shots? ;)

wish all players could curl it though youre right its pathetic, i wanna score bergkamp goals ffs not crappy blasts every time
 
Nifty1Pound50

Nifty1Pound50

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Isn't this thread basically a combination of the curling thread and the long-rangers thread?

You've told us it's hard to score from distance, and that it's near-on impossible to curl the ball. And then you made a suggestion.

Now, the topic of the thread fits into two otherthreads, whilst the suggestion part fits into the suggestions thread. Why is this here?
 
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lukazan

Registered User
Dude, because I want to get my opinions in to one thread, not scatter them all over the place where some people might not even see them. Normally I would probably call you a fool for question my motives hehe, but I can see you are obviously a good man by your avatar. ;)

Yeah, some players can curl more than others. I have given Beckham 99 for curling, but I still honestly think I could curl a ball more than Beckham can! It's silly and I want it changed drastically.
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
lukazan, I see you also posted this at evo-web. Did you try ISS-extreme yet?

Some good points up there varied enough to have them in their own thread. The Nifty-police can relax. :)

100 might complicate the stats and how they would be shown. 2-digits works fine. I'm not sure anyone real would get 100 for anything anyway. Even Zidane and Beckham make mistakes ;)
 
Nifty1Pound50

Nifty1Pound50

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The highest stat available is 99 for the same reason that a packet of sugar'll cost you 99p rather than a quid.

And don't worry, the Nifty-police are gone now. They were in a bad mood after last night excessive intake of certain substances.
 
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lukazan

Registered User
You are forgiven Nifty.

Zygalski, I might post it on ISSExtreme.com but it always seems whenever I post, I get 1 or 2 replies and the thread dies.... strange.

And since the subject has been brought up, I might aswell ask..

How big a difference is there between 1 point? Like if you give someone 98 curl and then someone else 99 curl, will you really notice a difference in the curling of each player?
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
luka, you're getting a fairly good response at evo-web. I assume you posted at pesfan first although I haven't looked. Spreading the word. :p

I wouldn't have though that 1 point in stats makes that much a difference.
Even someone who has 99 for Shot Accuracy doesn't always hit the target so there's always a hint of a random element to it too. Not easy to explain or figure out (unless our mate phelan is up to the job!) :)

I remember back in the day..... both lukazan and nifty said they'd go to a PESTAL tournament but neither could make it. Oh well, maybe when they're back on, hey? Are either of you in the national league?
 
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lukazan

Registered User
They are all very arrogant on Evo-Web though, they try to talk you down and make you feel like your opinion is wrong all the time.. lemme see nope, not 1 person has just said,

"Yeah, good points Lukazan, the shooting really needs to be improved." or something like that.

One guy even posted his goal saying it was long range and curl.. http://proevo3.co.uk/van1.avi .... hmm go figure..

Nation League? Nope not in that.. what is it?
 
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Trezeguet

Banned
Yeah U're prob rite, no one is perfect to deserve 100.

Anyway, I just noticed I haven't came across anyone with 99 yet (strange, huh)!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

Have any of U?
 
Nifty1Pound50

Nifty1Pound50

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I am going to go down to the PESTAL's in Kentish Town when they start back up again.

As I mentioned before, the reason I didn't go was cos I didn't fancy going up there alone. But I've got a mate who lives round the corner from me who's up for it as well, so I'll be there at the next ones.

Not in the National League - I don't really play PES3 beyond the circle of my mates.
 
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lukazan

Registered User
Erm..

I am not 100% sure about these because they might have been edited in any of the many option files I have downloaded but I think,

Zidane has 99 for technique...

Vieri has 99 for something.. maybe attack? Or shot technique?
 
mutu

mutu

Betting Guru
why dont you just do a conditional search instead of posting :mad:

babangida has 99 top speed, theres plenty

but if he was talking about curling in particular it would be easy to find out
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
Beckham - Long passing = 99
Van Basten - Shot Accuracy = 99
www.pes3stats.com can help.

Lukazan, the PES3 National League, as promoted by pesfan. www.pesleague.co.uk. GB's gonna get mad at you for forgetting about it :p
 
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