Slowdown Questions and Answers Thread
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rdaumeyer said:
This depends. Like I explained, V-Sinc won't allow your FPS to go above you refresh rate. So for example, if you have a 60Hz Refresh rate, then no game you play will go above 60 FPS. I would just leave it on if I were you but if you are playing older games (and want super smooth as performance) then I would suggest turning it off for older games. I personaly keep it off unless tearing in a game is bad. Also, Yeah just slide it to "on" instead of App preference.
Hope this helps.
brownie312
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Ok guys i'm kinda new here but would appreciate some help.
Have recently installed Pes3, applied the latest official patch and the no-cd patch to go with it. I then updated with Wolf/Andy L's EPL & CL patch (latest version). I'm getting major slowdown no matter what resolution, quality, sound on/off etc. Have tried all of the basic stuff and no joy. Also worth noting, still got slowdown before the update was put on.
I also can't see my system specs being a problem either but i'll list them below anyway (sorry if this isn't the right place for them)
P4 2.4ghz
1024mb DDR PC333 ram
GeForce 4 MX 440 128mb
80gb hard drive.
Please help solve my problems!!
Have recently installed Pes3, applied the latest official patch and the no-cd patch to go with it. I then updated with Wolf/Andy L's EPL & CL patch (latest version). I'm getting major slowdown no matter what resolution, quality, sound on/off etc. Have tried all of the basic stuff and no joy. Also worth noting, still got slowdown before the update was put on.
I also can't see my system specs being a problem either but i'll list them below anyway (sorry if this isn't the right place for them)
P4 2.4ghz
1024mb DDR PC333 ram
GeForce 4 MX 440 128mb
80gb hard drive.
Please help solve my problems!!
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Brownie312 , your systems spec have a major flaw, which is a old and crappy video card. The geforce 4 mx series simply the geforce 2 mx version plus somet features. Since PES3 is a direct 8.1 game and ur card is in not completely a direct 8 card, you will/must encounter slow down problem no matter what cpu you are using.
However, as you have a p4 2.4 (either b or c) and fast ram
I think you can use 3d analzyer to emulate the missing directx 8 function by using the cpu power, so that you can aleast play 800*600 high in smoothly speed (stable 60 fps)
However, as you have a p4 2.4 (either b or c) and fast ram
I think you can use 3d analzyer to emulate the missing directx 8 function by using the cpu power, so that you can aleast play 800*600 high in smoothly speed (stable 60 fps)
stan79 said:
The GeForce 4 MX doesn't have any extra features over a GeForce 2 MX apart from a slightly higher core/memory speed.
Also the MX 440 is not a Direct X 8.1 card at all. Not even in part. However just because it is a Direct X 7 card isn't the reason why PES3 runs slow, it is due to the old architecture of the card and the slow clock speeds, nothing to due with the generation of the card.
You CANNOT emulate Direct X 8 features on a Direct X 7 card, the features such as shaders (shader units), are in hardware, not software.
PES3 demands both a good Video card and a fast CPU, there is no getting around it. Any other game I would say a powerful CPU behind the old card might help but in this case I can't.
If you could upgrade your video card, you would see a massive performance increase across the board.
stan79 said:
Tell me what the difference is then. You can't because you are full of shite. The MX 440 IS the MX 400 chipset, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL. PES3 runs on a Direct X 7 card because there are no Direct X 8 and above features used if the card cannot support it, there is no need to use this 3d analyze at all. I know because my second system uses a Geforce 2 GTS and PES3 runs on it perfectly (performance is shite, but the game runs without any complaints).
stan79 said:
Prove it. I have never seen this in 3D analyser because it can't be possible. Maybe there is a Direct X 8.1 compatibility mode, but that would be pointless due to the fact Direct X is compatible with any card that supports it, no matter what generation it is. IE I could install Direct X 9 on a Direct X 7 card, but would NOT have the effects that Direct X 9 holds (PS2.0 etc). You can't emulate shaders because the units are a piece of hardware that is on your video card. Try running 3DMark 03 with your magic Emulation mode then, I bet you can't run tests 2,3 and 4 on a Direct X 7 card because they all use shaders.
stan79 said:
Not true in the slightest. If two computers were set up side by side and they were identical asside from the fact that one uses, say an Audigy 2 card, then the one with onboard sound would perform slightly better due to the sound chipsets signals not having to go though the comparitively slower PCI bus. Why do you think most 3d benchmarks disable sound? Obviously so that CPU cycles are not wasted on processing sounds but full dedication is given to the benchmark itself (be it a CPU calculation of some kind or a 3D render test).
I don't really care that you don't know these things, but the fact that you produce information that is total shite makes me want to correct it. Get your facts right before trying to correct anybody or you will end up looking like a retard, like you do now.
I think your comment on mx series is right.
And i also know who stole my account.
But for the sound card comment, Gudster , there is fact to suppprt that loser's theory
(He is my friend)
I have work with 5 of my pc in my home and the ones which has onboard sound don't have a smoot game play. Then is switch the directx sound option from full acceleration to basic or no acceleration. The the gameplay is much faster.
And when i did the same thing to a pc that has creative live value, the fps is still the same even i turn off any acceleration.
And i also know who stole my account.
But for the sound card comment, Gudster , there is fact to suppprt that loser's theory
(He is my friend)
I have work with 5 of my pc in my home and the ones which has onboard sound don't have a smoot game play. Then is switch the directx sound option from full acceleration to basic or no acceleration. The the gameplay is much faster.
And when i did the same thing to a pc that has creative live value, the fps is still the same even i turn off any acceleration.
Also, i am sorry my friend said some very stupid thing about gudster.
But for the comment about the sound, he is right ( you are also right in the aspect of turnning of sound in 3d benchmark, but trust me, turn off hardward acceleration in the sound section in dxdiag would boost up the frame rate)
I am a forum Moderator in an asian winning forum and it is the case.
For the other thing, he is wrong, he is just shitty since he paid 100 for a mx 440 two years ago.
But for the comment about the sound, he is right ( you are also right in the aspect of turnning of sound in 3d benchmark, but trust me, turn off hardward acceleration in the sound section in dxdiag would boost up the frame rate)
I am a forum Moderator in an asian winning forum and it is the case.
For the other thing, he is wrong, he is just shitty since he paid 100 for a mx 440 two years ago.
brownie312
Registered User
Thanks for the help stan79. I might have to consider upgrading my graphics card then. Any reccommedations for a good quality card at around £50-80? Or is there any way at all around the problem? you mentioned 3d analyser but gudster seemed to disagree with this. Maybe a dumb question but where do i find 3d analyser and what would i have to do with it??
stan79 said:
So it wasn't you who called me a dick head in another thread....?
Using some advanced features such as EAX will bring some older motherboards and their onboard sound to their knees, true. However the onboard sound on the N-Force 2 motherboards (soundstorm) is lightning and supports EAX so it is quicker. Its only 5.1 though so anybody with 6 or more speakers will be a bit miffed.
rdaumeyer said:
Not a problem.
Gudster said:So it wasn't you who called me a dick head in another thread....?
Using some advanced features such as EAX will bring some older motherboards and their onboard sound to their knees, true. However the onboard sound on the N-Force 2 motherboards (soundstorm) is lightning and supports EAX so it is quicker. Its only 5.1 though so anybody with 6 or more speakers will be a bit miffed.
Not a problem.
Noe Noe Noe,
He is just a friend.
He wasn't happy these days, he lived in my home for a few days.
He didn't read clearly, he was just angry and very sorrow
Forget him and me
For the soundstorm in Nforce (MCP-T) it is not bad, but i don't think it is better and faster than a sound blaster live value or above.
stan79 said:
Oh right, well give him a slap anyway.
Soundstorm is like Soundblaster+, not only is the chipset newer and faster, but gives the same 5.1 quality the sound card does. Also because it is intergrated to the motherboard it can recieve and send signals faster than any PCI card. However the likes of the Audigy cards produce better quality and faster sound than the soundstorm, and are overall probably the better choice for the sound enthusiast.
However in many review site, their benchmarks show that the mcp-t doesn't show any advantage over sound blaster (not audigy or above), they are on par or a little slower than sound blaster 5.1 (value)
MCP-t is obviously better than sound blaster (5.1) in mp3 and cd listening (if u have a good speaker system) well, sound blaster (below the audigy level) sucks at mp3 and music playback,
MCP-t is obviously better than sound blaster (5.1) in mp3 and cd listening (if u have a good speaker system) well, sound blaster (below the audigy level) sucks at mp3 and music playback,
USB Gamepads?
Hi guys,
I've got an Athlon 1700 w/ radeon 9600xt, and nicely tuned system. I have no problems running all the new games (painkiller, farcry, ect) in 1024x740... And yet I have slowdown problems in PES3.
One issue might be USB game pads. I've tried using it without mine, but the keyboard just sucks. It does tend to get rid of the stutter though... I've also had this problem on other games. Unplug the gamepad, and everythis is smooth as silk.
Anyone else tried this, or know anything more about this? I wonder if there's some DX thing where it's polling gamepads or something like that durring play... Doesn't seem to be Konami's fault entirely, but the preformance of this game in general is really not so hot. Hopefully next time we'll get more than a half-baked console port...
Hi guys,
I've got an Athlon 1700 w/ radeon 9600xt, and nicely tuned system. I have no problems running all the new games (painkiller, farcry, ect) in 1024x740... And yet I have slowdown problems in PES3.
One issue might be USB game pads. I've tried using it without mine, but the keyboard just sucks. It does tend to get rid of the stutter though... I've also had this problem on other games. Unplug the gamepad, and everythis is smooth as silk.
Anyone else tried this, or know anything more about this? I wonder if there's some DX thing where it's polling gamepads or something like that durring play... Doesn't seem to be Konami's fault entirely, but the preformance of this game in general is really not so hot. Hopefully next time we'll get more than a half-baked console port...