Summary of PES3/WE7 Suggestions - Main List Updated April 17th

[hitmanuk2k]

Summary of PES3/WE7 Suggestions

Summary of suggestions already made (updated April 24th, 2003):

- Names on backs of shirts (implemented in WE6 FE so this should be in PES3)

- Better commentary scripting

- Commentary from better commentators (such as Martyn Tyler, Clive Tyldsley or John Motson)

- More designs in the kit editor

- Ability to apply custom badges and sponsors to shirts

- Full leagues for the top leagues in europe such as La Liga, Premiership and Serie A

- Having the ability to put players on the transfer list in Master League

- Players refusing to extend their contracts at their current clubs and becoming free lance players

- Indoor stadium for 5 a-side

- More weather coditions, rainy and sunny arnt enough, how about snow, fog, hail, icy pitches

- The pitches to change quality through a match, ie if it is terrential rain the pitch should tear up and become very muddy

- Improved colour choice in kit editing, why only go up to 5 columns in kit editing when there is 7 in badge editing

- More control over the goalkeeper, perhaps by using Right Analog stick?

- Quicker thow-outs by goal keepers, you should not have to wait for the computer to decide when the best time to throw is, it should happen instantly when pressed... even if it does go to the wrong man

- Ability to have control of an attacking player when off the ball (ie. just before a goalkeeper kicks it out you should be able to try to charge it down)

- Ability for the goalkeeper to kick the ball up when it runs to him instead of always kicking it

- The goalkeeper should be able to drop the ball when he has possesion in his hands instead of having to kick or throw it

- Variation of goal/net structure in the different stadiums

- Referee and Linesman visable on screen

- Different colour kits for referees

- Free Kicks and Penatlies given for handball (which does appear to happen quite a lot in the game but free kicks are never given)

- Less Free Kicks given for challenges which are seemingly non-human controlled such as the "Push" fouls

- Dirt appearing on kits as the match goes on

- Some form of tactics management screen where you can define custom set-play moves (ie. decide which players go forward for corners)

- Ability to send the goalkeeper forward for corners in the final minute for example

- More stadiums

- A new tackling system

- Ability to transfer players between clubs

- More realistic crowd chants

- Improved AI defence's, and easier defending for human players

- Proper looking 3D crowds, no more of the flat cardboard looking fans. At least make them sit down and stand up.

- No more auto-filling of the shoot bar when attempting to play a long pass

- Animations such as those for substitutes and managers should be added

- Bigger range of support flags, not just the club badge

- 3D stewards and cameraman instead of the cardboard cut-outs

- A volley stat so that players who can volley well, the ball will go closer to the goal than players with a bad volley stat. As it stands it seems like luck whether or not the ball goes close when you volley.

- More varied injuries ranging from niggly kicks to full blow broken legs also what about accidental collisions

- Improved shooting animation; players really connect with the ball and both legs leave the ground to generate the power.

- In Master League, you can use your points not only to sign players, but to improve your stadium, thus get more fans coming to your matches, providing you with extra revenue.

- Ability to call players up to the national squad without having to base copy them first

- Penalty kicks should be like normal freekicks (using the power bar, adding curve or power, high or low) That would be more realistic than the current penalty kick system that's been going on in the WE series for some years now

-Club teams should have three or four uniforms depending on which team... for example home and away for the league and home and away for european competitions (Roma)

- Real time: instead of having the option day or night, it would be better to have a range of time say 12 noon to 9pm, in this way the shadows in the stadiums would change and the light of the day would also change if I star playing a match at 5pm (daylight) after halftime I would be playing the match at sunset, and a few minutes later at night

- Dirty socks and shorts after slide tackling and falling down in rainy weather

- Hair colors should be more natural and not so solid and rich

- Different size pitches (Highbury small and pitch, Nou Camp large pitch, etc, etc)

- Being able to select with which foot I'm going to take a set piece with (for "both footed" players or certain both footed players).

- Better computer management. For example in the last minutes if their team is winning they could bring off strikers for defenders, especially if under pressure.

 

[bigman999]

i think the most important update for the next pes would have to be the licenses and national leagues. i would also like to see -a bigger database of players

-Having the ability to put players on the transfer list

-players refusing to extend their contracts at their current clubs and becoming free lance players

-how about an inside stadium for 5 a-side.

-more weather coditions, rainy and sunny arnt enough, how about snow,fog,hail,icey pitches.

-the pitches to change quality through a match, ie if it terrential rain the pitch should tear up and become very muddy.

 

[hitmanuk2k]

i think the 5-a-side indoor idea would be amazing. this hasnt been in a decent footie game since fifa 97. every good game since (other than crap like puma street soccer etc) seems to have over looked the idea of 5-a-side games. and i also agree with pitch quality changing, i think something like this was in actua soccer 3 (i remember players sliding in and leaving a mark on the pitch which was a good idea).

 

[bigman999]

is there any way that we can put forward our surgestions straight to konami?

 

[hitmanuk2k]

after everyone has submitted there idea's i will be compiling a final list which will be sent to konami

 

[bigman999]

I THINK BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE THE TEAMS FOR THE MASTER LEAGUES AND CHOOSING HOW MANY LEAES WOULD BE GOOD. ie having 5 leagues of 8.(sorry bout the caps) ps does ne 1 know what isthe name of pele in the classic brazil team

 

[LondonLiverpoolFan]

I think Pele's name is Perles

By the way hitmanuk2k keep up the good work... this is a blinding site so don't let it fold.... I'd offer to help if I had any idea of webdesign.

As for suggestions the 5 -a-side is a blinding idea. Also the FIFAPro Licence is a must. Not ground breaking ideas I know... when I think of anything else I'll let you lot know.

Cheers

LLF

 

[alexander]

Hi guys!!
Well first thing to say I'm happy sgo forum got back.
i've have already read all new interesting changes kcetyo has apported to fe.

Fortunately they have made lots of things i've hoped to see in the game which already is getting across perfection and It's really a killing curiosity to see what could be implemented more in pes3.

Compliments apart, i'm especially involved to gameplay, if also kit editing, badges, commentary, leagues and everything included in the fashion of game is important, but it seems in something of these things to have already been satisfied in we6fe. Don't you? (Names on shirts or colors to put on boots..)

For example I've read about sidedefenders attacking, new options of challenge between attacker and defender and a more physical contact, a faithful curving response which on me is lacking in pes2; why don't use a button to curve together the joystick, so you wouldn't have problem to govern trajectory of ball and the player receiver, pressing r1, could run in the best position to shoot on goal.
Personally i'd like to see a more real way to volley ball with a foot planted onto the ground instead to see players exploding in a fly kick, which is rare in a match.
Probably substitute volleys with bycickle kicks which give more satisfaction.
Another thing could be the time to press the square button when taking the shoot, it could respond in the right time you press it, so it will oblidge you to be tempestive, neither a second before to miss the ball, nor a second after to be anticipated.
I would implement dribblies like "veronica" (fast turning round) or drags inside, tossing ball with round circle without giving a direction as in iss64, or the chance to toss ball across the player to avoid defender pressing.

A more speedy response of players in general which lose time, on
me, controlling the ball when try to dribble; lob balls and shots reach too fastly the max speed; I lose too many ball when I press l1 with right analog stick, or kicking with the unpreferred foot of players.

Oh, someone complaint the fact that console crashes sometimes while editing, or loading second half? It sometimes happens to me...

Colors have to be more brilliant when you edit them.
Something else at next time. Good bye, have nice new year and thanks for your attention also if you think i've said stupid things.

 

[Perfect Passer]

PES3?

What Konami should do is combine FIFA and PES.

ie. all the glits'n'glammer from fifa with pes2,

official kits, names, stadia, squads, sponsers, leagues etc.

EDIT MODE:
They should expand the edit mode too. because David Beckham and Freddie Ljungberg change their hair so often they don't always have the right style so, you have to settle for a similar . And maybe you should be able to put more than one hair style one a player. like in the Smack Down games, for example David Beckham's hair in the World Cup was light brown with a blonde mohawk. So in theory you could put a light brown french crop for hair style one and a blonde mohawk for hair style two. Also there's a hair colour that isn't on the game. Steven Gerrard has this colour. It's slightly browny grey-ee colour. All the browns on the game are either too rich or too dark. You should also be able to edit the keeper's uniform and club teams should have more than two kits because Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal and quite a few other european clubs have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd strip, and one other thing SPONSERS!!!
In the kit/team editor the colours ARE NOT RICH ENOUGH! Black is not black it's extremly dark grey and navy blue is nowhere near navy, its dark royal blue.
Another thing, why is it Liverpool and Manchester can be called by their names but Arsenal and River Plate are called London and Buenos Aries?
Also why is it they can put Adidas on the Japan kit but Argentina, Sweden, Turkey, Spain, Germany and all the other countries that have a kit made by Adidas don't have it on?

ANIMATION:
They should also do something about the shooting animation, because the shooting animation in PES is much better than PES2. I'm primeraly talking about the animation where the player just blasts the ball and the force of him shooting makes him swing his legs 90 degrees and jump completely off the ground and land on his shooting foot. Which is the way Aston Villa's Hitselsperger shoots.
Also when you chip the goal keeper the player animation could be better it should be like David Beckham's against Macedonia and you should be able to curl the ball round the keeper like Michael Owen and Thierry Henry does and they should include an animation that is like the way people shoot or play a long ball, where the player just knocks the ball out of his feet and then kicks it. Just like every player does and has done since football was invented.
There is another thing I've noticed, when a player takes a free kick or a shot rebounds off someone the player that kicked the ball will just stand there and watch the ball be dibbled or kicked away! This is extremely frustrating! Especially if the player that kicked the ball is the closest to the defending player because you can't tackle him so he's free to clear the ball!!
There should also be a free kick where one player will lay the ball off a short distance for a player the blast at goal, ie. Didi Hamann, John Arne Risse and Alan Shearer because that free kick is used alot in football but no game has it! And a free kick animation like Ronaldinho's against England in the World Cup.

SOUND:
The crowd sound in PES2 is far better then PES but I still feel that Konami can improve on this vastly. They should make normal matches a bit more intense with a constant crowd noise that is quite loud and in derby matches they should take their cue from La Liga matches between Real Madrid and Barcelona which is the best derby match in the world. Also when players score the crowd celebration should be louder and when an attacking player goes on a run and takes past a couple of players to deliver a cross, open himself up for a shot or plays a through ball the crowd should say "GO ON" in unison because EVERY crowd at a football match does this and it'll really add to the atmosphere!

And finally just general things like more club teams or there should be national leagues like The Premiership and La Liga. More internaional teams and you should be able to play international quailfiers like for the World Cup or Euro Cup etc.

The Official Adidas Ball would be good too!!

P.S. MAKE IT AN OFFICIALLY LICENSED GAME!!

Anyway even if they don't put these improvements in I'm sure Konami will yet again find some way of making PES3 far superior then PES2.

 

[italian]

pes3 personal hints

Nice year to everyone on SGO!
I haven't had the pleasure to test WE6FE, but i've only read about his great improvements.

Well, I've played an entire afternoon to Virtua Striker 2002 on Gamecube and i've appreciated the general atmosphere of the match, but in particular that groovy way to underline the presence of grass with players feet and ball a bit sunk in the ground and ralented by the natural friction, demonstrating a fatiguing in moves.
I hope that a similar feeling could be captured in next version of pes.

Aside graphics, I'd like to have a prompter response in dribbles and especially in passes, to cut the distance and prevent anticipations.

The selection cursor could be applied also to keeper to attempt manual saves and manual positioning on corners or freekicks.
It could seem a complication, but keeper, on me is boss of the box and could better express his authority if controlled like a normal player.
I'd distinguish keeper funcion buttons to serve mates, x for ground manual pass, circle for mid-air pass and square for punt and the amount of curve to put. Maybe triangle to play ball with foot. Also the obligity to release the ball in the 6 seconds, to avoid the penalty kick.
In sunny days they could wear cap..

In set-pieces, I'd implement a new way to aim, maybe with a golf swingomenter or something like this, to precalculate direction, power, curving and height. In a freekick or corner, curving after kicking is a bit unreal; is more plausible during in-game situations because of continuity and complexity of action.

I've always dreamed to see in a game the difference between a field and another one not only by grass stylemaking or stadium structure, but also from nets colours and goals type.

Strictly in terms of gameplay, to me is better have one button to sprint in all directions consented and use the others for dribbles and feints, especially the shot feint, which is too hard to perform in rush time, pressing "square and pass", frequently causing a simple shot. Shoulder buttons are safer.

A chance to jump freely, opportunately to stop crosses from side of the box; the possibility to touch or deflect the ball with hand and for cleverest and scared players like Inzaghi and Cassano, the fowl simulation.

To exagerate, dirt on kits and bodies after a ruinous fall and the overclass heel lift.

Lot of these things have already been implemented in Iss series, but well mixed and overhauled, would confer more interactivity, increasing casuality and reality to the game which, in spite of all, is lot more than just a videogame...

 

[bigman999]

i think there should be a new option in the formation section where u can allocate how many players go up for corners. ive noticed that on my crners only 3/4 players go up for the corners. This is not good if its the 90th minute and iam losing. And how about an option where u can chuck everyone up for a corner aswell as the goalie. It would be brilliant scoring a last gasp goal wth your keeper to stay up or win the league etc etc.

 

[bigman999]

How about a stadium editor?, so you could make your own stadiums. This would be brilliant, you could make the stadiums of the team that you support. There is a option like this on LMA manager. it has like 40 stands to coose from, you can make your own unique sadiums or try to recreate your own clubs. This would mean that liverpool,westham and chelsea could have their own stadiums and not have to play at the north east stadium. And secondly it would be good if you could name your new stadiums. This would mean that you can name all the current stadiums on the game to their real names, i.e. turn red brick stadium into old trafford.

And i think their should be more designs in the kit editor, there is very little to choose from. A option like in this is footbal should be taken, where you can overlap designs to make the most outragas designs possible.

 

[henry47]

hey...

What if they could put in a layer potion mode for the kits? This way they wont have any lisence problems..It could work like the way in works for the edit flag options. You could yust tipe O2 or vodafone in the chest...what do you think?

Originally posted by bigman999
i think the most important update for the next pes would have to be the licenses and national leagues. i would also like to see -a bigger database of players

-Having the ability to put players on the transfer list

-players refusing to extend their contracts at their current clubs and becoming free lance players

-how about an inside stadium for 5 a-side.

-more weather coditions, rainy and sunny arnt enough, how about snow,fog,hail,icey pitches.

-the pitches to change quality through a match, ie if it terrential rain the pitch should tear up and become very muddy.

 

[henry47]

????

Does anybody know if there is a cheat or gameshark thing to add new and original kits to pes2?? I have seen pictures of the game with original kits and real names for the stadiums...dont know if its pes2..
I like what all the other people have said about adding original kits, stadiums, names etc. I also like the point about the players falling to easy, the entire tackling system needs upgrading! This is the stuff I would like to see fixed:

1: Uniforms with sponsors.
2: Better comentary
3: New tackling system.
4: More stadiums.
5. Better graphic.
6: More crowd chants, reactions etc.
7: Transfere between clubs.
8: Nationale league w/league cup.
9: CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!!!!!
10: And please add more options to the ingame music! Also the replay music makes me go insane somtime...

Ps: Pes2 is far the best soccer game I have ever played!!!

 

[hitmanuk2k]

yeh, tackles are a disgrace!

as for kits, if you have an xport you can download option file updates, but you cannot get proper kits on pes2, not with sponsors anyway. well, you may be able too by editing the bin files etc. but i have no idea how to do that. post in the editing forum asking for help if you wanna try.

 

[Golden Boy]

Here are my suggestions

Well, I would like to see more dribbling moves. That would be great. There are many new tricks that can be added, and that would surely improve authenticity.

Keepers must be carded like any other field players, and more prone to going for a ball and droping the player thus causing a penalty. That's important too.

The DPS (Dribbling shooting passing) models shpuld be easy to master, and the difficulty level raised even more. Give us a good challenge.

AI should be done in a way that teams play like in real life. Man Utd, for example, should play a lot of wing attacks. Ajax should play short clever passes, Juventus should play a solid game, finely balanced between attack and defence. Match the styles of the teams in real life to that of the CPU.

Individual players should also play like in real life. Beckham should be a quick passer-thinker, and always looking to send a good long ball of a wonderful insightful cross. Alessandro Del Piero should play in a very imaginative style, combining Clever passes, rainbow shots and wonderful skill moves. And so on...

It's a lot of research, and I would love to help.

Signature scoring celebration ways for star player would be nice. A better looking audience with more songs could add a lot to the atmosphere.

Easy-to-control 1-2 passing method is a must.

Improved off the ball movement is also important. When players who are not in your control at a specific time spot a good place to run they should start running and signle with their hands or shout something, like in real life.

More flexibility in formations and tactics is important, as well as individual orders for players. (support more defence or support more offence, marking, tell a defender to go into the box to score from set plays, etc)

Good foot - Rivaldo, for example, should not be able to shoot well with his right foot, whether you're controlling him or the CPU is.

Assigned captain is important.

More injuries to players, mainly in very cold weather when it's easy to get injured.

Referees should know that fouls aren't just mistimed sliding tackles, but also small things sometimes. Excessive shirt pulling, for example. Use real games to see what I mean.

Getting past the keeper in 1-on-1 situations should be there. Keepers are usually in the forward's mercy in real life, so why not here? Chipping the ball over a keeper should also be a part of the shooting system.

A more interactive transfer system would be nice. If a player is discontent with too few playing minutes in his club, then he would be more willing to transfer.

When the next game is released, rosters must be well updated, unlike what happened in PES 2, as Ronaldo was still an Inter player.

Add Euro or Copa America to the tournaments if possible.

Career mode - Seasons go by and players age, new players pop up, etc.

 

[Mumpleaser]

I fully agree about the one-two system, it has to be easier thatn it is now. Wasn't it L1+X in ISSProEvo? That was a great system even though it was a little easy to get past defenders with it. Surely it would be better to increase the defenders awareness of this tactic instead of making the move more difficult to perform?

 

[hitmanuk2k]

you are joking, right?

the one 2 system is awesome! the old isspe2 system was poor. now you can control when you want to play the one 2 and everything, its great. you can even do it multiple times so you have players running all over which completely baffles the defence. the old one 2 didnt require much effort and was not very rewarding in my opinion.

 

[Jonah]

1st off i think before adding little extras like pitch deteriating and such they should fix all the main problems first.

One thing that really pisses me off and never happens in real football and is so simple to do is when you have a freekick and press pass it SHOULD go to the player. What kind of smuck would miss his player 5 ft away and give it to the opposition. I also think you should be able to pick who you pass to.

Another thing that should be changed is keepers use their feet to save much more often. When the ball is shot right to the side of them they try to dive on top which is obviously impossible when they could just block it with their feet.

Defending should definitely be made alot easier, now the attacker just has to press up down left or right fast and he will find a way past to the defender who is helpless.

The AI needs a hell of alot improving like when your on a fast break they should really sprint instead of jogging to get in the box. The defending AI should also needs to be vastly improved instead of just splitting when an attacker is running at them leaving them with a easy goal

This is all i can think off at the mo but i'm sure i will find more when i next play. I for one would much rather this lot fixed than eye candy for the game.........but thats just me

 

[Mumpleaser]

What is the new one 2 system, Hitman? I get by very well without it but it's always good to get another string in yer bow...or something...

Do you hold L1 and then pass with x, and then press x again when you want to return the pass? Does the original player run into space then? Or is it L1 then triangle?

Please enlighten me as I have a tournament on Sunday 16th Feb and I would really like to "sparkle out there"!