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Phatmann
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I was but Sweey was the only other about so we played 1v1. A few others were online but weren't responding.
Right at the risk of being a bit unpopular (again), some points:
-Berry should CONSTANTLY be playing on the shoulder of the last defender if he is going to play in attack. When I'm at CF I'm having to make desperate forward runs from goalkicks in the hope of winning a header Berry wouldn't have been there for due to a lack of pace. We should be trying to get in behind the opposition defence from these be it a direct header or laying it off.
-Perhaps we all feel this but in some games I am in tons of clear space in the box AND can be found with a pass but instead a striker is too busy trying to beat two men and finish to give me the ball. We all do it to an extent but its becoming a bit much. Last night I was alone, running straight across the penalty area near the penalty spot ALONE and watched in horror as someone ignored me and ran into three players becauise he wanted to score. There are times to be selfish and times to pass. I was definitely onside.
-Our strikers need to mix up movements a bit more in some games. Generally myself and Original? move out to the wing to get possession high up the field so we can play in a runner from midfield or cross which works well and helped in the last game when we were 6-0 down and got back to 6-3 (should have been 6-4).
-I'm becoming keen to revert to myself at RS, Phatmann at LS and Original? at CF just to get back to the early days of good movement between the three of us. Original? and I are comfortable swapping roles which is good. We didn't need heavy support from midfield back then which was mentioned in here and helped us defend. That isn't a dig at Berry.
-Our midfield gets vacated way too fast. People need to take turns breaking. When I've been at CF I've ended up having to cover the midfield because nobody was there.
I was so sure the goal would eventually come as they weren't very good. It was one of those where you just felt that the ball was inevitably going to fall in the right place for one of us at some point...and it didn't.
-Berry should CONSTANTLY be playing on the shoulder of the last defender if he is going to play in attack. When I'm at CF I'm having to make desperate forward runs from goalkicks in the hope of winning a header Berry wouldn't have been there for due to a lack of pace. We should be trying to get in behind the opposition defence from these be it a direct header or laying it off.
-Perhaps we all feel this but in some games I am in tons of clear space in the box AND can be found with a pass but instead a striker is too busy trying to beat two men and finish to give me the ball. We all do it to an extent but its becoming a bit much. Last night I was alone, running straight across the penalty area near the penalty spot ALONE and watched in horror as someone ignored me and ran into three players becauise he wanted to score. There are times to be selfish and times to pass. I was definitely onside.
-Our strikers need to mix up movements a bit more in some games. Generally myself and Original? move out to the wing to get possession high up the field so we can play in a runner from midfield or cross which works well and helped in the last game when we were 6-0 down and got back to 6-3 (should have been 6-4).
-I'm becoming keen to revert to myself at RS, Phatmann at LS and Original? at CF just to get back to the early days of good movement between the three of us. Original? and I are comfortable swapping roles which is good. We didn't need heavy support from midfield back then which was mentioned in here and helped us defend. That isn't a dig at Berry.
-Our midfield gets vacated way too fast. People need to take turns breaking. When I've been at CF I've ended up having to cover the midfield because nobody was there.
Yeah, no excuses for that poor show. I think I might've been the poorest out of all us - I had plenty of chances in that 1-0 loss to give us a routine victory, but it just wasn't happening for me- but we're all a lot better than that.
Oh well, chins up lads.
I was so sure the goal would eventually come as they weren't very good. It was one of those where you just felt that the ball was inevitably going to fall in the right place for one of us at some point...and it didn't.
Bež
Registered User
Oh, right, I see where you're coming from with that, mate...
I got really pissed off in last night's matches. Nothing was falling right for me; as much as I tried, when I went in to challenge to get the ball back for the team... free kick to them. And defenders smaller than me were winning the balls in the air, what's that about!?
I also agree about the pace; offline in Manager Mode my Virtual Pro, believe it or not, is pretty quick up front, but when I take him online, he's pretty slow, so the only real way to effectively use me is to punt the ball to my head.
I'm happy to step down from attack, if you feel I'm not doing well up top.
Then again, I'm not really up for defending at the moment, and I wouldn't recommend I play in midfield, as I play with full-manual passing and it takes me a while in any game I play; to get the passing going and actually get it to players' feet. Saying that, I'm not changing it. I like it this way.
I'll play wherever you want me...
I got really pissed off in last night's matches. Nothing was falling right for me; as much as I tried, when I went in to challenge to get the ball back for the team... free kick to them. And defenders smaller than me were winning the balls in the air, what's that about!?
I also agree about the pace; offline in Manager Mode my Virtual Pro, believe it or not, is pretty quick up front, but when I take him online, he's pretty slow, so the only real way to effectively use me is to punt the ball to my head.
I'm happy to step down from attack, if you feel I'm not doing well up top.
Then again, I'm not really up for defending at the moment, and I wouldn't recommend I play in midfield, as I play with full-manual passing and it takes me a while in any game I play; to get the passing going and actually get it to players' feet. Saying that, I'm not changing it. I like it this way.
I'll play wherever you want me...
Just stay forward when you're at RS - the key to it is be lazy. The furthest back you should come is the edge of our side of the 18-yard box. Your faster strike-partner then has the choice of staying up with you or dropping back a few yards to take up a position just behind you.
Get as close to offside as you can (without going there, obviously) so that if we do manage to play it over the top, you've a better chance of getting it or making the guy playing ANY on the other side think about you so much that someone else can sneak in and surprise them.
I can't work out the heading model - when my VP was 6'2 he was fine in MM but online couldn't win many headers. At 5'10 I'm average at winning headers but that's to be expected. You don't really want me being the main target for longballs as in some games I'll win nothing. I think we all got frustrated last night, I was absolutely livid at one stage - I think half-time in the final game where we were 5-0 down or something stupid.
We could do with another couple of guys who can play as ANY. I'm sure Barn probably gets fed up of it after a while.
Bež
Registered User
Yeah, I stopped trying midway through the second half, probably why I was trying to shoot everytime I had the ball, in sheer annoyance. >_<
Thanks for the advice, I'll try and take it all on board next session we play, and hopefully we play better as a team, and get back into winning as a habit. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the advice, I'll try and take it all on board next session we play, and hopefully we play better as a team, and get back into winning as a habit. :thumbsup:
BarnDoor
Witchfinder General
The problem playing on 'Any' is that you feel as though there is a lot of pressure on you, being as you have the defence. I can lose a game, but it's up to you lot playing up top to win it. That's why I like to get a lead of a couple of goals, so I don't feel as uptight. I can take these games way too seriously.
I'm an alright player, by no means a great one. I'm not an expert on defending, I do my best - you'll notice I pull the keeper a lot. On 'Any' I have lots of shit players, and one good player - the VP - but for some reason he's playing at RB. I honestly feel he is a much better weapon up top, since his best skills are shooting, heading, long shots, etc. I'm not bad with a cross either. I think the team fares better when my VP is playing in some kind of position when he can get forward. I don't want to sound big headed, it's just a fact. Problem is though, when there's a lot of people playing (more than 4), he gets shut out.
But you observe a lot playing from the back. Here's some thoughts:
1) As Sweey said, there HAS to be more movement up top. It's all about options. Phatmann is great at this. Then the likes of Fab and myself, if I'm playing there, can be more productive with passing.
2) Berry I'd say when the ball is coming to you in the air, go for the headed pass straight away, since you'll always win it. I notice sometimes you let it drop, I don't know if this is intended.
3) On a similar note, if we have a long free kick, stay perfectly still. I will aim for a specific player - usually Berry if he's on - and it's a lot easier if you're not moving around.
4) As Sweey said, always square the ball in the box if you have the option. Yes it's shit and I know we all like scoring, but winning is the most important thing. And if that striker doesn't have the option, it's up to his teammates to provide him with it. Bust a gut to get there, but stay onside. Also be astute, like pulling away from the last defender or back into space when the guy is coming in from a side angle.
5) I think 5-6 can often be a case of too many cooks. The most dangerous aspect is when people take all of the midfield roles. Now this can work with delboy and Fab, who generally get back. But often people bomb forward too much and leave the defence without cover. I think Sweey may have mentioned this.
6) Finally, we should all pass and move whenever we have the option. With lag, it's just not worth dribbling and trying to keep the ball. If you lose it in midfield or up top, I'm in the shit. If I lose it, well, at least I can't blame the rest of you.
I'm an alright player, by no means a great one. I'm not an expert on defending, I do my best - you'll notice I pull the keeper a lot. On 'Any' I have lots of shit players, and one good player - the VP - but for some reason he's playing at RB. I honestly feel he is a much better weapon up top, since his best skills are shooting, heading, long shots, etc. I'm not bad with a cross either. I think the team fares better when my VP is playing in some kind of position when he can get forward. I don't want to sound big headed, it's just a fact. Problem is though, when there's a lot of people playing (more than 4), he gets shut out.
But you observe a lot playing from the back. Here's some thoughts:
1) As Sweey said, there HAS to be more movement up top. It's all about options. Phatmann is great at this. Then the likes of Fab and myself, if I'm playing there, can be more productive with passing.
2) Berry I'd say when the ball is coming to you in the air, go for the headed pass straight away, since you'll always win it. I notice sometimes you let it drop, I don't know if this is intended.
3) On a similar note, if we have a long free kick, stay perfectly still. I will aim for a specific player - usually Berry if he's on - and it's a lot easier if you're not moving around.
4) As Sweey said, always square the ball in the box if you have the option. Yes it's shit and I know we all like scoring, but winning is the most important thing. And if that striker doesn't have the option, it's up to his teammates to provide him with it. Bust a gut to get there, but stay onside. Also be astute, like pulling away from the last defender or back into space when the guy is coming in from a side angle.
5) I think 5-6 can often be a case of too many cooks. The most dangerous aspect is when people take all of the midfield roles. Now this can work with delboy and Fab, who generally get back. But often people bomb forward too much and leave the defence without cover. I think Sweey may have mentioned this.
6) Finally, we should all pass and move whenever we have the option. With lag, it's just not worth dribbling and trying to keep the ball. If you lose it in midfield or up top, I'm in the shit. If I lose it, well, at least I can't blame the rest of you.
I want to try being ANY for at least one game. I'm expecting to get absolutely raped at the back but maybe it'll work better than I think it will. Its worth trying once, right? Would ideally do this with only two others on, one as a striker and the other as a striker or midfielder.
I can totally understand that pressure Barn as you've got the entire backline to yourself and every little thing you do gets magnified.
I can totally understand that pressure Barn as you've got the entire backline to yourself and every little thing you do gets magnified.
Bež
Registered User
Barn, if you really want, I'll go back to CB for a bit, to relieve some of the pressure on you to perform, and make it a bit less of a hassle for you? I can remember you saying you liked it when I was at the back, as you could do a more comfortable job then.
Would also allow the old partnership of Original? & Phatmann up front, with Don just behind. On the other hand, then we would have no real targetman up top. It's a funny situation.
Barn, I think you're best with your VP on the left wing; the big man seems to do well down the flank, cutting in, and with the long shots, to test the 'keeper. Good at holding the ball up too, which is no surprise.
Would also allow the old partnership of Original? & Phatmann up front, with Don just behind. On the other hand, then we would have no real targetman up top. It's a funny situation.
Barn, I think you're best with your VP on the left wing; the big man seems to do well down the flank, cutting in, and with the long shots, to test the 'keeper. Good at holding the ball up too, which is no surprise.
Original?
istrator
I’d advocate a similar style, you’re too slow to really break through their defensive line just with pace, however, if you roll off their shoulder like Inzaghi you’ll be able to get clear far more often. This will also allow you to set yourself for headers meaning you will have a better chance of winning in the air. I’m not blaming you as the heading system seems to be utterly bizarre, but you don’t win enough headers to justify your height (and subsequent lack of movement). Maybe if you push up you could rectify this.
Furthermore, if I get put through you’re not going to catch up with me unless you’re right on my shoulder. You may have noticed that I have to stop and hold it up waiting for you to get up, but with lag/three defenders and me being a weakling this can be difficult.
I prefer it when your VP is playing in midfield, he’s very strong on the ball, he doesn’t get shown up for his lack of pace and his passing/shooting from distance is good. I generally think we have a good chance of winning when you play any and despite the odd crazy ol’BarnDoor moment your defending is the best we have.
1) Generally I feel I provide a fair amount of movement and manage to cause plenty of problems for the opposition defence. I tend to find it more difficult, however, when the midfielders push on too far as it restricts your space. If everyone can remain more organised in their positions we tend to do far better.
2) I agree, I don’t know whether this is a case of just pressing a little late with the button lag but headed passes or flick ons give us a much better chance of holding onto the ball when your being challenged in the air.
3) Fair enough, I tend to move around but then it’s best not to hit me with it in the air anyway as I have similar problems to Sweey. I think this is part of a bigger problem, no-one has any idea what we do at set pieces. I’ve been getting a lot of corners recently and I think every time I whip it in we seem to get a good chance or the defence struggle to clear it, this is probably because of my high curve. In any case, it might be worth looking at who has the best stats for each set piece and utilising our VPs strengths.
4) This is one that bugs me, as I know that some people are cursing when I don’t pass to them, but if you will stand directly behind a defender or in a blatantly offside position I’m going to take the shot as it’s the better option. The other problem that I’ve already alluded to is that my pace seems to take me away from my own team as well, people like Sweey and Phats can keep up but few others do, this means I have to delay the ball until someone can get there, again often the best choice seems to be to take the shot on before I’m closed down. Just wanted to point out that I’m not being intentionally greedy, even if you think I am.
5) I’m not sure on this point, we’ve often had 5-6 on before and slaughtered the opposition. Last night it was a lack of people genuinely playing in midfield meaning our defence was utterly exposed constantly. I know, this is easy for me to say as I play up front, but when I did play in midfield I stayed back and only went forward when appropriate. It’s all about maintaining shape.
6) The game Barn, Fab and I had earlier yesterday where we won 7-2 or something was a good example of this, quick passing and to feet, we could easily have had more and they hardly got a look in and were lucky to get on the scoresheet.
7) Aerial through balls, they’re deadly when played perfectly, woeful when not. Unfortunately, we seem to be lofting through balls when we don’t need to meaning we unnecessarily lose possession. Lobbed through balls are riskier and in the rain they’re essentially useless unless there’s acres of space to play the ball into. Lobbed through balls have their place, but we do seem to have an over emphasis on them. Just consider whether lobbing the pass is truly necessary and whether it actually adds anything. The more space for the player to run into the less difference there is between the risk of a through ball and the risk of a lobbed through ball. One time we should use them perhaps more is on the break from a corner.
I played two in particular to you yesterday which has me rolling my eyes afterwards as I probably should have looked for a ground ball instead. Unfortunately in the final game at 6-3 I went along the ground because of this when I should have gone over the defender between me and you.
As some of you may have noticed, I'm often keen to play first-time through balls if I get the ball in midfield with my back to goal. I do stop in a particular match if they're just getting intercepted easily.
No matter what position I play, I'm often moved into the defensive duo when we have an attacking corner. I hate that about FIFA.
I'm happiest at RS with LS and CF an equal second-choice. LS allows me to stay in attack and make runs but CF allows me to be a bit more creative though drags me into defence sometimes.
If when Phatmann isn't on people aren't comfortable at LS (Berry wasn't yesterday, Original? I'm of the opinion you aren't) then just leave the slot for me and take my CF.
Original?, if when we're picking positions I'm taking a long time I'm probably waiting for you to choose with me taking the other option (usually when RS and CF are open). You're probably doing the same for me so it might just be a case of us taking turns just picking the position we want if we haven't been on a roll and rotating positions occasionally. Not a big problem though as we're both pretty comfortable in at least two positions each.
The moment when I feel like the biggest plank - aside from the games where every time you pass it to me I get tackled
faceplm is when someone is running down right wing and I'm also on right wing ahead of them in case they want to pass to me but they actually want me to get in the bloody box - I always make the run very late. I'll start being selfish on some occasions and just going into the box anyway if I don't get the ball early. It'll mix up results at least.This is magnified when playing at CF, which you'll know. You feel as though you HAVE to go back because nobody else is sitting in midfield which means you can only do your job by running around like a headless chicken for half the match and as a result, through balls to me late in the game have seen me run out of stamina and fail to chase them down at critical moments. That's painful.
BarnDoor
Witchfinder General
Berry I would like my VP to be on the left wing, I too feel that's his best position, but for some bizarre reason the game is putting me in defence, even when we have free midfielders. I wouldn't mind but I'm not even able to switch things.
Original I probably am guilty of playing too many chipped through balls, my apologies. But I must warn you all, if it's at the back my first priority is to hoof it clear.
It can't hurt to try out others on 'Any', there might be a better option than myself.
Original I probably am guilty of playing too many chipped through balls, my apologies. But I must warn you all, if it's at the back my first priority is to hoof it clear.
It can't hurt to try out others on 'Any', there might be a better option than myself.
Dragonfly
Waiting....
I think I might try playing LCB in the next few games. I played there last night in the Pro Ranked Games and did pretty well (until the other team disconected in both games). I was actually playing more of a sweeper role and intercepted a lot of through balls and got a lot of standing tackles in. However, I also quit my Be A Pro season (off-line) and my stats have dropped, almost back to default, so I'm not sure if I'll be as effective. I'll give it a go anyway.
I'll read all the tactical suggestions when I get home and comment and make suggestions.
I'll read all the tactical suggestions when I get home and comment and make suggestions.
Neo
First It Giveth
That's probably been my main position when Phatmann isn't online (or when he's playing at LB) and I've been reasonably prolific.
It's obvious that the striker positions and who should be where are causes for concern at the moment. Maybe a look at the stats page could help us work things out?
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That's not fair Neo.
DC has played perhaps half of his games at CF, Berry started off in defence and I've played at RCM more than once, in some stupid dodgy wing positions for some games, have been at LS and now play at CF more than RS. You cannot just look at those and say who should play where. Its entirely unfair on Berry, for a start.
Those of us in attack know where we should be playing and generally how to link up with one another.
You also aren't taking into consideration at all where we're happy playing - I'd pick RS every time if I could but both that's now the favoured position of both Berry and Original?. Berry isn't good at LS, Original? doesn't like it and I'm not as comfortable there as at RS but I'll play there. Between us, plus with you on sometimes, we're fine as we are so long as we ensure we all play to the best of our VP's abilities. In the case of Berry, his lack of pace mean he needs to stay in the RS role he's comfortable in more often than not - dropping him to CF means a lack of support from that position for the two strikers as they'll be running away from him.
I sincerely believe our biggest problem is the midfield. They're overcrowding the attack.
DC has played perhaps half of his games at CF, Berry started off in defence and I've played at RCM more than once, in some stupid dodgy wing positions for some games, have been at LS and now play at CF more than RS. You cannot just look at those and say who should play where. Its entirely unfair on Berry, for a start.
Those of us in attack know where we should be playing and generally how to link up with one another.
You also aren't taking into consideration at all where we're happy playing - I'd pick RS every time if I could but both that's now the favoured position of both Berry and Original?. Berry isn't good at LS, Original? doesn't like it and I'm not as comfortable there as at RS but I'll play there. Between us, plus with you on sometimes, we're fine as we are so long as we ensure we all play to the best of our VP's abilities. In the case of Berry, his lack of pace mean he needs to stay in the RS role he's comfortable in more often than not - dropping him to CF means a lack of support from that position for the two strikers as they'll be running away from him.
I sincerely believe our biggest problem is the midfield. They're overcrowding the attack.