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The Always Disappointing "Classic Players".

DM86

Registered User
not being funny but seeing as konami are an asian company, i think they have every right to put in the japanese team etc. and plus how is getting rid of those teams going to make it easier to create the legends?


What I meant is rather than spending all that time creating those realistic Japanese & Korean players faces, who I doubt anyone here actually pays attention to (I may be wrong) they could spend more time on focusing on classic players.

I didn't say it would make the game better.
 

Flanee

New Member
Understand what you mean by the faces, but what I would really like to see is Konami put in classic CLUB teams, just like the national teams. i.e Classic Man Utd, Classic Liverpool, Barca, Real Madrid, Juve, bayern etc etc It would give a place to put these players instead of unlocking lists of the players, you would unlock the teams instead.

It could be teams for a club's whole history or just for a specific era such as Man Utd 1997-2001, AC Milan 1990-1995 or Liverpool 1977-1981. Shame that Konami doesnt listen to their fans much ....



BTW, What happened to the PES shop (PS3), does that mean I have to win the trophies to unlock stuff, cos thats way too long ....
 

lexandro

Registered User
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).

I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.
 

Papa

Thank you for reading.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't checked but can't you edit the appearance of the classic players just as you can with the normal ones?

If so then all you need is Krook's fantastic "Ultimate Classic Player Thread" http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=27490&highlight=ultimate+classic+player

This has better appearances and stats for most classic players, along with ones which are not in the game created from scratch.

For example, a better version of Pele:

PELE
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Better App.

Appearance-
Head-
Face: Build Face
Skin Col: 4
Head H: +1
Head W: -1
Position: 0

Brows: 16/-3/-1/+3
Eyes: 29/0/-2/0/+2/2/Black 2
Nose: 3/+2/+2
Cheeks: 3/+1
Mouth: 9/0/0
Jaw: 1/+2/+1

Hairstyle-
Type: Special
Shape: 46

Hair Colour-
Type: Pattern
Pattern: 8

Facial Hair-
Type: 108
Colour: 8

Hope this helps you.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't checked but can't you edit the appearance of the classic players just as you can with the normal ones?

If so then all you need is Krook's fantastic "Ultimate Classic Player Thread" http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=27490&highlight=ultimate+classic+player

This has better appearances and stats for most classic players, along with ones which are not in the game created from scratch.

For example, a better version of Pele:



Hope this helps you.

Really appreciate that you're trying to help -but- I can create much better faces, its much better to use Real Faces, for example, Luka Modric's Face makes a fairly accurate version of Johan Cruijff.

In my opinion, "Build Faces" always look Cheap no matter why.. But if you take some Real Faces, such as Luka Modric's, and you tweak with the Dimensions and Hairstyles, etc, etc.. you can achieve decent versions of Some Classic Players.

I haven't bought the game yet, but as soon as I get it I'll Post some Appearances. But thanks anyways.
 

Amateur

Registered User
i personally would rather see zico play than fernando hierro.

I think most of them should be in the game.. Zico should definitely be in the game, as well as Fernando Hierro.

I think we have all gotten used to the "add one take one out" thing. Why would it be so hard to have Zico and Hierro in the same game?? Those are just 2 Faces, how hard can it be??
 

Amateur

Registered User
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).

I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.


I respect your Opinion.. but I will be honest, I despise that king of thinking, WHY shouldn't they be included?? Because you don't know the 1st thing about Football?

I mean, How much Time do you think it takes to simply create a couple of Faces?? Including Classic Players with their proper faces would in no way, shape, or form -be- a waste of time, simply because it doesn't takes much time to do it.

Waste of Time?? Including a Separate Champions League Mode that isn't even Fully Licensed. That's a waste of time and money.

Since when did graphics make a game? Since we have Next Gen Consoles, that one was Obvious.

But whatever, if you want to Label things as a "waste of time", that's your opinion and your entitled to it. I just happen to think that type of thinking is restrictive and negative, a waste of time if you ask me.
 

lexandro

Registered User
I respect your Opinion.. but I will be honest, I despise that king of thinking, WHY shouldn't they be included?? Because you don't know the 1st thing about Football?

Sorry but I am not some out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football. I played football for a junior team when I was younger and know my role very very well. I have followed the same team since I was a child and have attended plenty of matches in my time. I am infact a proud member of the Tartan Army and have traveled to watch my country play many times. I also regularly watch live matches, and highlights of club teams and nations.

I mean, How much Time do you think it takes to simply create a couple of Faces?? Including Classic Players with their proper faces would in no way, shape, or form -be- a waste of time, simply because it doesn't takes much time to do it.

Face scanning involves getting the rights to have them(the player) in the game for the devs, some players this is frankly impossible to do. Other simply wont allow there countanace to be in a computer game regardless of who makes it. Other request exorbatant fees that are simply a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The process itself also requires the subject to be present for an accurate face scan to be taken. This means making the subject available to get the scan which might be a busy time and impossible for them or one that they simply refuse to do.

Waste of Time?? Including a Separate Champions League Mode that isn't even Fully Licensed. That's a waste of time and money.

Agreed. I have no interest in playing the Champions League mode. I dont see the need for it at all tbh, its imo again a waste of time, effort and resources

Since when did graphics make a game? Since we have Next Gen Consoles, that one was Obvious.

Really this is a farsical statement. So called "next gen" consoles are actually THIS gen consoles, and all have coding and hardware limitations. Graphics alone will not and never will "make a game", we have already seen it many times before. Indeed we only have to take a glance at Crysis sales to seet that graphics do not gaurantee a good product. Crysis blows everything on consoles out of the water for graphics, but its gameplay is lacking and sales have suffered for it. Not only that but the Wii has outsold both 360 and PS3 and has last gen graphics hardware. There are people still playing on the PS2 who are happy with what they have.

But whatever, if you want to Label things as a "waste of time", that's your opinion and your entitled to it. I just happen to think that type of thinking is restrictive and negative, a waste of time if you ask me.

Realising where a games strengths are and seeing the need for improvements in them is a key factor in having a good franchise. There is nothing negative about pointing out where improvements can and should be made to improve the gameplay, and immersion of the game. But there is really no need to have every single player with a lifelike face, nor is it even possible to do by the devs.

You do also have the option I do believe to add in a scanned picture for a players face if you happen to have one so your not totally hamstrung from doing so. There had to be some limitations in what the devs can and do add due to budgets, time constraints, engine and hardware limitations, and availability.
 

Red Owl

Registered User
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

Racist pondlife. I was quite prepared to take your post and give you a reasonable reply. But a twat like you doesn't deserve a reply. Please fuck off.
 

cwildey

Registered User
i still don't understand what all you guys are bitching about.
i use the classic players. me and my mates at uni make teams including the best current and classic players. for example, i have maradona and van basten up front, whereas one of my mates has pelé, eusebio and romario. but why would we give a crap that they don't look like they're supposed to when its been the same for years and obviously not going to chance because..............they're not licensed. like we all know. but its fun. the main point of video games.

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dick head
 

Sweey

*RETIRED*
I totally agree. This should be something we shouldn;t need to ask for. They should get rid of the fuckin Japs & the Korean team. I mean, who in Europe actually plays with those 2 anyway? Just a waste of time them creating all those asian faces. They all look the fuckin same anyway.

We don't tolerate racism. Idiot.

i still don't understand what all you guys are bitching about.
i use the classic players. me and my mates at uni make teams including the best current and classic players. for example, i have maradona and van basten up front, whereas one of my mates has pelé, eusebio and romario. but why would we give a crap that they don't look like they're supposed to when its been the same for years and obviously not going to chance because..............they're not licensed. like we all know. but its fun. the main point of video games.

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dick head

We don't tolerate unnecessary abusive language either. As I can't even work out which one member you ight be aiming your last line to, I'll assume everyone.
 

Amateur

Registered User
Sorry but I am not some out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football. I played football for a junior team when I was younger and know my role very very well. I have followed the same team since I was a child and have attended plenty of matches in my time. I am infact a proud member of the Tartan Army and have traveled to watch my country play many times. I also regularly watch live matches, and highlights of club teams and nations.



Face scanning involves getting the rights to have them(the player) in the game for the devs, some players this is frankly impossible to do. Other simply wont allow there countanace to be in a computer game regardless of who makes it. Other request exorbatant fees that are simply a drain on resources that could be better spent elsewhere. The process itself also requires the subject to be present for an accurate face scan to be taken. This means making the subject available to get the scan which might be a busy time and impossible for them or one that they simply refuse to do.



Agreed. I have no interest in playing the Champions League mode. I dont see the need for it at all tbh, its imo again a waste of time, effort and resources



Really this is a farsical statement. So called "next gen" consoles are actually THIS gen consoles, and all have coding and hardware limitations. Graphics alone will not and never will "make a game", we have already seen it many times before. Indeed we only have to take a glance at Crysis sales to seet that graphics do not gaurantee a good product. Crysis blows everything on consoles out of the water for graphics, but its gameplay is lacking and sales have suffered for it. Not only that but the Wii has outsold both 360 and PS3 and has last gen graphics hardware. There are people still playing on the PS2 who are happy with what they have.



Realising where a games strengths are and seeing the need for improvements in them is a key factor in having a good franchise. There is nothing negative about pointing out where improvements can and should be made to improve the gameplay, and immersion of the game. But there is really no need to have every single player with a lifelike face, nor is it even possible to do by the devs.

You do also have the option I do believe to add in a scanned picture for a players face if you happen to have one so your not totally hamstrung from doing so. There had to be some limitations in what the devs can and do add due to budgets, time constraints, engine and hardware limitations, and availability.

Fair enough.. although the part about being an "out of touch american kid who knows nothing of football" -is- way off. I played Football at Amateur Level, I still play Football every now and then, and I have to say I've played every position there is to play in Football.

Sadly, I was born in the wrong Country -and- my Laziness didn't match my skill. But regardless, I always have fun when playing wich is always useful.

As for "Graphics making a game".. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, NO Graphics alone will never make a good game -but- since we have Next Gen Consoles (still Next Gen as far as I'm concerned), people expect Both the Gameplay and the Graphics. This is Why we pay 500$ for a Next Gen Console.

And as for Classic Players, wich is the topic of this thread, Why would Classic Players looking properly be a waste of Time?? The way I see it, it wouldn't be a waste of time because it doesn't takes that much time to begin with.

Konami didn't had a License for featuring Nike Vapors in the older versions of PES -and- yet, they managed to feature Nike Vapors without the License. They could do the same with the Classic Players.

It isn't really important, it isn't a priority, but then again How hard can it be to Edit some 20 Faces?? I can guarantee Italian customers would prefer to see Roberto Baggio and Franco Baresi in full detail -rather- than having Alan Smith and Peter Crouch with spot on Faces.

That's all I'm saying.. I just don't see how such a simple thing can be considered a waste of time. In my opinion is just laziness from Konami's part.

They should know that seeing spot on versions of Peter Crouch and Robinho -and- then seeing the likes of Pele and Maradona looking all crappy.. that's just Diminishing. If that's How their going to include The Greatest Exponents of Football into the game -then- Why even bother??

It still is a waste of time to edit some Classic Players with crappy looking faces and Inaccurate Stats, even more so considering no one will bother using them.

Bottom Line?? I think proper Faces would give those "Classic Players" a purpose in the game, maybe Unlocking Pele or Maradona and actually using them, etc, etc.. It would definitely add more Value to the "PES shop" -and- it really doesn't takes much time to do.

I just don't see How it would Restrain the Development of the series.
 

Enitza

Registered User
Frankly I couldnt care less if the Classic players and teams were dropped from the game entirely. Imo the classic players are simply a nice add-on that is not even required. All this bitching and moaning about how they dont have life like faces is a joke. Since when did graphics make a game? It doesnt matter how flashy or fancy pants a game looks if it plays like crap. PES09 is head and shoulders above last years shambles especially now that online actually works properly (most of the time).

I see it as a total waste of time and resources that could be spent in other areas to improve the game than have classics at all let alone have them lifelike.

Right. Fuck graphics. Let's all go back to 2D gaming. Pac Man anyone?
 

Enitza

Registered User
do you have any idea how much money Maradona demands to have his likeness in a video game?

are you aware of the copyrite laws you are asking Konami to infringe by having them put in spot on faces for pele, maradona etc. but change their names?

you are an idiot. if you want this done then send konami at least 10 million euros.

Fuck Pele and Maradona! They are overrated anyway.
 

Enitza

Registered User
We don't tolerate racism. Idiot.



We don't tolerate unnecessary abusive language either. As I can't even work out which one member you ight be aiming your last line to, I'll assume everyone.

Fuck you, nerd! What 'bout your 'abusive language'? What's with that 'idiot' line?
 

222eddie

Registered User
I never play online cuz i dont need to... I play this game with my homies all the time. We make our own teams with the best players NEW players and classic players is so much fun... PELE, MARADONA, GULLIT,EUSEBIO,RONALDO, etc... We bet money each goal is dolla !!! jaaaa
 

Amateur

Registered User
Fuck Pele and Maradona! They are overrated anyway.

And, you know absolutely Nothing about Football.. or at least you wouldn't recognize an "extraordinary" player if it hit you straight in the face.

Let me guess, Leo Messi and Ronaldo are better?? Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka also? Or is Zinedine Zidane the greatest?

You should really keep those comments to yourself.
 
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