The Manual Pass (best and most overlooked feature in the series)

[What Lad]

Hello sirs and other sirs. Do you use the manual pass? Why not? Don't you know that this is the greatest feature of this series?

Konami, please note: DO NOT AI ASSIST MANUAL PASSES IN FUTURE GAMES. ONCE YOU MASTER THE MANUAL PASS (and manual shot) YOU REALISE REAL FOOTBALL IS HERE (or it was in Pro Evo 6)

The manual pass is so much better than the regular controls because you can play exactly into the space you want to. You can even use it to shoot from close (or long with L1) range!

A note to the developers, if you score with a manual pass but a player is offside, the goal will be ruled out. Even if he has no involvement in the goal at all! Please fix this bug it has been present in the last 3 versions of the game.

I wrote a guide about how to use the manual pass properly. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/file/930760/53864
)It's quite heavy going. Thing you're up to it? This thread is not to advertise my guide, however. I'm not interested in that, I'm interested in helping Konami to realise they are turning away from the one feature this series has got that will redeem it.

I play people on live all the time with incredibly high ratings, and I can show them things they have never seen before. Pass with L1, watch the runner, point the analogue stick into his run ITS SO SIMPLE BUT AFFECTIVE and it looks amazing. How can so many people ignore the opportunity to take complete control over the weight and direction of their passes? Or even their shots? Even the developers have not spotted the manual scoring bug over three versions of the game, I'm left scratching my head thinking is anyone REALLY playing this game to its true potential? Even the people who make it?

I dunno man... I expect everyone to just dismiss this.

 

[CocoBZ]

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[What Lad]

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[saibot]

Hello sirs and other sirs. Do you use the manual pass? Why not? Don't you know that this is the greatest feature of this series?

Konami, please note: DO NOT AI ASSIST MANUAL PASSES IN FUTURE GAMES. ONCE YOU MASTER THE MANUAL PASS (and manual shot) YOU REALISE REAL FOOTBALL IS HERE (or it was in Pro Evo 6)

The manual pass is so much better than the regular controls because you can play exactly into the space you want to. You can even use it to shoot from close (or long with L1) range!

A note to the developers, if you score with a manual pass but a player is offside, the goal will be ruled out. Even if he has no involvement in the goal at all! Please fix this bug it has been present in the last 3 versions of the game.

I wrote a guide about how to use the manual pass properly. (http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/file/930760/53864
)It's quite heavy going. Thing you're up to it? This thread is not to advertise my guide, however. I'm not interested in that, I'm interested in helping Konami to realise they are turning away from the one feature this series has got that will redeem it.

I play people on live all the time with incredibly high ratings, and I can show them things they have never seen before. Pass with L1, watch the runner, point the analogue stick into his run ITS SO SIMPLE BUT AFFECTIVE and it looks amazing. How can so many people ignore the opportunity to take complete control over the weight and direction of their passes? Or even their shots? Even the developers have not spotted the manual scoring bug over three versions of the game, I'm left scratching my head thinking is anyone REALLY playing this game to its true potential? Even the people who make it?

I dunno man... I expect everyone to just dismiss this.

Hi What Lad, I went through your walk through on manual pass. However am facing a difficulty if you can help me out.

1. I have set my manual pass to pass the ball if i flick,turn my Right Analog. I don't need to press R3. However my passes are not at all accurate. If I try a diagonal pass the player gives it to the next play to is on the same line. Shown Below

P1 ---------------------------P2

If P1 wants to do a manual pass to diagonally he gives it straight to P2. The same thing happens while doing a long pass.

Also while doing a manual shoot does the player only shoot at goal if you press the Right Analog towards the goal? I mean can you not angle it onto the side of the goal?


P1 -------------------- GK Goal

If i do the above only then the player shoots straight at the GK. If i bend my right analog towards the left or the right he tries passing to the nearest player. Is this right? Or am i doing something wrong?

Please help as i found the manual pass very intriguing.

 

[What Lad]

Hi What Lad, I went through your walk through on manual pass. However am facing a difficulty if you can help me out.

1. I have set my manual pass to pass the ball if i flick,turn my Right Analog. I don't need to press R3. However my passes are not at all accurate. If I try a diagonal pass the player gives it to the next play to is on the same line. Shown Below

P1 ---------------------------P2

If P1 wants to do a manual pass to diagonally he gives it straight to P2. The same thing happens while doing a long pass.

Also while doing a manual shoot does the player only shoot at goal if you press the Right Analog towards the goal? I mean can you not angle it onto the side of the goal?


P1 -------------------- GK Goal

If i do the above only then the player shoots straight at the GK. If i bend my right analog towards the left or the right he tries passing to the nearest player. Is this right? Or am i doing something wrong?

Please help as i found the manual pass very intriguing.

basically i would recommend changing the setting so that you DO have to click R3. without this, as soon as you point the analogue stick, that direction is recorded as the direction you want the pass to travel in. its VERY DIFFICULT to initially push the stick into the desired direction. its much easier if you push the stick in the desired direction, steady your aim correctly and THEN click R3 to determine power. this way the direction is not accepted until you click the R3 button and you have the time to align your aim better.

as for the manual shooting, you can point the shot exactly where you want from any angle to any angle, i think you are only having the problem of aiming straight because it is difficult to aim properly without the R3 button.

HOWEVER are you playing Pro Evo 2009? this version has AI assisted manual passes, meaning that they aren't manual at all, the computer AI assumes which direction you mean and guides it for you. this version of the game has ruined the concept and potential of the manual pass. konami, seriously... seriously... what are you doing?

 

[saibot]

basically i would recommend changing the setting so that you DO have to click R3. without this, as soon as you point the analogue stick, that direction is recorded as the direction you want the pass to travel in. its VERY DIFFICULT to initially push the stick into the desired direction. its much easier if you push the stick in the desired direction, steady your aim correctly and THEN click R3 to determine power. this way the direction is not accepted until you click the R3 button and you have the time to align your aim better.

as for the manual shooting, you can point the shot exactly where you want from any angle to any angle, i think you are only having the problem of aiming straight because it is difficult to aim properly without the R3 button.

HOWEVER are you playing Pro Evo 2009? this version has AI assisted manual passes, meaning that they aren't manual at all, the computer AI assumes which direction you mean and guides it for you. this version of the game has ruined the concept and potential of the manual pass. konami, seriously... seriously... what are you doing?

Yup, am playing PES 2009. Well this really sucks, I find out how awesome manual pass is and they screw it up.

 

[What Lad]

i'd recommend picking up pro evo 6 for cheap

or the PS2 versions of 2008 or 2009, as these still run on the much superior previous engine

 

[joekim1]

make sure you go to button configuration and on details change the manual pass mode to the first one (if i'm not mistaken). i think the default is on the second, which does not require you to push down on the stick.

 

[MatTheCat]

Hello sirs and other sirs. Do you use the manual pass? Why not? Don't you know that this is the greatest feature of this series?

Konami, please note: DO NOT AI ASSIST MANUAL PASSES IN FUTURE GAMES. ONCE YOU MASTER THE MANUAL PASS (and manual shot) YOU REALISE REAL FOOTBALL IS HERE (or it was in Pro Evo 6)

I used to play (and sometimes still do) in the national tournaments against all the players who generally win all the prizes i.e. Mark Gardiner, Rob McLean, Wallace etc...

NONE OF THEM USE MANUAL PASS EVER!

They rarely pass the ball by lifting it off the ground.

Crossing is also normally out of the question as you are then relying on the AI to kindly position your player in the right place.

But to get back to the point, I have always used manual passes but only as an extra option when assisted passing simply will not do the job..and yes, they do have their uses. However, in PES 2009, the manual pass is really quite clumsy and its only real use is for long balls down the line, across field, or diagonal high lofted balls towards WF free in space on other side of park.

Other than that, the manual pass is firmly in the sin-bin.

Also, the thing with the manual pass is that it takes up the use of the right-hand stick. As FIFA has proven, the very best use the right hand stick can put to is as a way of controlling incoming balls with a clever human implemented 1st touch, as opposed to the just sit back and cross your fingers whilst the AI decides how your player will control the ball as has always been the case in ProEvo.

I would happily bin the manual pass function for the implemtation of a first touch control system.

 

[What Lad]

you're crazy. if only i could put videos up, i'd show everyone. passes you just can't do without a manual. flowing moves, you see a player, you play into his space. the AI ALWAYS reads it wrong, even accurate passes aren't as accurate as they could be, too close to defenders side etc.

right hand stick for 1st touch? why can't you use the dpad for this? i haven't played too much fifa so i'm not sure i get it, but jesus christ the manual pass is godlike.

except for in 2009 obviously. it was shite in that. also i guarantee altho i'm not amazing at this game, i'd be able to play better passes than any tournament winner

 

[joekim1]

i'm convinced playing with the manual pass is what PES was meant to be. games are 10x more fun and plays more perfect than by using your simple automatic X and O passes. 10x. really, i counted. relying on automatic passes is way too risky for regular use because of how random (and poor) they are, even the through pass. manual pass is the future of pes, really.

if you disagree, you're probably a noob lol jk

 

[NeoKubrick]

I hate to break it to ya, but a lot of people use manual passes in ways you've dismissed and apparently don't imagine, What Lad.

I'm sure a development team who actually implemented the move are aware of its uses and the issue with the offside, which wouldn't be a simple fix as you suggest.

It did work on this version, too, except the input for diagonal was made too small to encourage more to use it for up, down, left, and right passes. Manually shots were nerfed because it was based upon ball physics that the goalkeepers couldn't handle. Long Pass Type 5, Cross, and aim was instant goal just outside of the box and thus they had to put less speed and more elevation on the ball for PES 2009.

 

[MatTheCat]

except for in 2009 obviously. it was shite in that. also i guarantee altho i'm not amazing at this game, i'd be able to play better passes than any tournament winner

Whilst getting humped 9-0 in the process.

The problem with manual passes in past iterations of Pes is that simply weren't really all that manual. For a start, you are stuck with only 8 possible directions but in PES 2009 this is more like 4 directions as most of the time the diagonal stick flick will not register.

In short, the manual pass is a clumsy poorly implemented 'addition' to the game which albeit, does have its uses and as Neokubrik has pointed out, some nefarious game wrecking uses at that. I never knew about the Long Ball Type 5 exploit but I certainly used to take huge revenge on the cut-back queens in PES 2008 with my long pass goals from practically the half way line. This worked until Konami released a patch which simply nerfed the Long high manual pass from a certain area of the field.

If you had played FIFA, you would be in no doubt that using the left stick to implement a first touch control is by far the best thing that the left stick could be used for in footie game. This is somethign which FIFA really has got spot on and hopefully PES will imitate just as FIFA has matched and beaen PES by essentially copying the PES game engine to a great extent but then improving upon it.

 

[dicky_t]

personally i think the whole set up sucks

manual passing should not be done on the right analogue stick ,that should be left for skills or tricks

manual passing should be done with a button with a power guage ,giving an aim and fire

your D-pad should be for (first touch and 360 movement) if ever incorporated ,this will give touch control and turn in one movement ,a sharp turn and movement will give you the split second time to move your hand back to the left analogue stick

and your left analogue stick ,should be used for player movement only or in conjunction with the manual button pass

using this system your joypad control would be enhanced but not compromised and more importantly will keep your hand balanced on the joypad

 

[byrnie05]

Pro Evo 6, where the skills were on the right stick also had its first touch on the right stick, too. Bringing the ball down on the player's chest with a well executed pull of the right stick is sorely lacking from 09 and I kept trying to do it for the first couple of months before I realised tricks were borked on the left and it's very hit or miss.

For the sake of manual pass, which adds just another form of passing, losing tricks and skills that are easy to pull off and add a little magic to a game is not the ideal trade-off.

 

[What Lad]

Whilst getting humped 9-0 in the process.

The problem with manual passes in past iterations of Pes is that simply weren't really all that manual. For a start, you are stuck with only 8 possible directions

sorry but you're wrong. 8 directions? 360 degrees mate. a millimetre wrong and you're hitting the post.

the offside bug is easy to fix. if you touch the ball, / block keepers view / impede defender, you're offside. otherwise you're not. they manage this for when you shoot normally, but what the manual pass involves 'impossible physical computations' or somethin like that?

i don't find it to be game breaking at all. its never simple to score with a manual. there are situations where you can be confident it'll go in, but same with normal shots. playing against someone using manual GK means you will never score if they read you. but this feature is removed in 2009????

 

[MatTheCat]

sorry but you're wrong. 8 directions? 360 degrees mate. a millimetre wrong and you're hitting the post.

Eh wot?

What bloody game have you been playing?

It aint been PES that is for sure.

 

[NeoKubrick]

sorry but you're wrong. 8 directions? 360 degrees mate. a millimetre wrong and you're hitting the post.

the offside bug is easy to fix. if you touch the ball, / block keepers view / impede defender, you're offside. otherwise you're not. they manage this for when you shoot normally, but what the manual pass involves 'impossible physical computations' or somethin like that?

i don't find it to be game breaking at all. its never simple to score with a manual. there are situations where you can be confident it'll go in, but same with normal shots. playing against someone using manual GK means you will never score if they read you. but this feature is removed in 2009????

Manual pass can go in eight directions: up, diagonal, down, diagonal, left, diagonal, right, diagonal.

The offside bug isn't an easy fix, because 'shoot' has a different value than 'pass' or 'cross' with respect to the offside value. It would require extra and complicated code to fix it and distinguish between manually passes which are shots and which are passes. It's easy for you and me to distinguish between the two, but for a program, it's very difficult.

 

[What Lad]

i am playing pro evo 6 on XBOX 360 as well as pro evo 2008 on PS2

and i can tell you it is much more than 8 directions. i am getting a new phone this week, if it's got a lead for the computer, i'll video myself.

manual pass on 2009 for next-gen might have 8 directions, but that's because it's broken.

i understand what you're saying about the manual pass having a different value, but still fail to understand how it can be that complicated to add in.
a: does offside player touch ball? y/n
b: does offside player impede defender y/n
if a&b = no then goal stands

 

[MatTheCat]

i am playing pro evo 6 on XBOX 360 as well as pro evo 2008 on PS2

and i can tell you it is much more than 8 directions. i am getting a new phone this week, if it's got a lead for the computer, i'll video myself.

Well, you know something the developers didn't. Perhaps you should contact the PES dev team and let them know that they have already have a 360 degree passing system just to remind them to not spend time enhancing the current 8 way one they think they have got....

Silly games programers!