The Player Form Arrows Explained! Finally!
- Thread starter Zygalski
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adrIANo said:unreal
I posted a question about 2 months ago requesting explanation, and this is cracking.
KUTGW!
The small bar under the main green fitness bar definatly stands for injury posibilty right? Sorry for changing the topic slightly, guys....
not sure wat ur talking bout are u talking bout the actual fitness bar.. like red yellow etc or injury type.. like Yellow cross means he is injured and still can play while red means he is out....
if thats not wat u mean sorry
I played the other day with AC Milan, Rui costa was on a red arrow and he was on fire , against parma on 5 stars he scored two (one a bending freekick around the wall) and set up one. Next game though he was down to a diagonal.........what determines form? i thought it was individual score you got at the end of the game? what dtermines what arrow your form? anyone know?
Zygalski
Administrator
Apart from friendly matches, the form arrows change randomly and you can't do anything about that. We think.
Already mentioned- the green bar is for fitness/stamina and the red/brown bar is for fatigue. What they actually mean is still a bit vague.
tava, in the formation settings, go to the STRATEGY option and it shows you a list of all the strategies. You can assign the 4 buttons to whichever ones you want them to be for. All the teams in the game have 4 pre-chosen for you so you can change them if you want and then save your new formation/strategy settings.
Go to Strategy to find out what they are set to and change them if you like. Hope that makes it clearer. If you just check it out in the game, it will all become much clearer.
Already mentioned- the green bar is for fitness/stamina and the red/brown bar is for fatigue. What they actually mean is still a bit vague.
tava, in the formation settings, go to the STRATEGY option and it shows you a list of all the strategies. You can assign the 4 buttons to whichever ones you want them to be for. All the teams in the game have 4 pre-chosen for you so you can change them if you want and then save your new formation/strategy settings.
Go to Strategy to find out what they are set to and change them if you like. Hope that makes it clearer. If you just check it out in the game, it will all become much clearer.
C.Ronaldo, I had the same suspiscion, that the player's form depended on his consistency stat.
So I did some testing with players with 1 and 8 in consistency and also with players with 1 and 8 in condition. I played with these players in a league of 16 games.
The conclusion was, I did not see any influence of consistency nor condition on the form arrows.
The fatigue bar isn't affected by consistency/condition stats either (at least I didn't notice it after 16 games). But it accumulates when you play with the same players again and again and again...
So I still don't know what the consistency and condition stats do.
However, I found out that the form arrows are not completely random. The player's form change slowly from week to week, like real life.
So you are more likely to see a player going from green to yellow to red back to yellow and back to green than someone jumping directly from green to red to green, and the same goes for blue and grey arrows.
Here are some numbers for your enjoyment
RED = 15
YELLOW = 60
GREEN = 194
BLUE = 65
GREY = 13
Meaning that there's about 50% chance of a green arrow, 20% chance of yellow and blue arrows, and 5% chance of getting red and grey arrows.
So I did some testing with players with 1 and 8 in consistency and also with players with 1 and 8 in condition. I played with these players in a league of 16 games.
The conclusion was, I did not see any influence of consistency nor condition on the form arrows.
The fatigue bar isn't affected by consistency/condition stats either (at least I didn't notice it after 16 games). But it accumulates when you play with the same players again and again and again...
So I still don't know what the consistency and condition stats do.
However, I found out that the form arrows are not completely random. The player's form change slowly from week to week, like real life.
So you are more likely to see a player going from green to yellow to red back to yellow and back to green than someone jumping directly from green to red to green, and the same goes for blue and grey arrows.
Here are some numbers for your enjoyment
RED = 15
YELLOW = 60
GREEN = 194
BLUE = 65
GREY = 13
Meaning that there's about 50% chance of a green arrow, 20% chance of yellow and blue arrows, and 5% chance of getting red and grey arrows.
kold_77_krush
Registered User
I'm also a proponent of the fact that the "Form Arrows" aren't completely random. Usually if I have a player that goes to blue, I will try to play him out of bad form.
For example... If my Shevchenko has a blue arrow, I will sit him against a top opponent, but play him against anyone else. Usually getting a a goal or two or an assist, will turn his arrow away from blue. I have also noticed that if a plater goes to "blue", he stays "blue" longer if he doesn't get playing time.
Plus it seems to me that players with lesser "Form Arrows" tend to fatigue quicker.
For example... If my Shevchenko has a blue arrow, I will sit him against a top opponent, but play him against anyone else. Usually getting a a goal or two or an assist, will turn his arrow away from blue. I have also noticed that if a plater goes to "blue", he stays "blue" longer if he doesn't get playing time.
Plus it seems to me that players with lesser "Form Arrows" tend to fatigue quicker.
sheringham316
Registered User
BAD FORM.... ???
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kold_77_krush said:
First, I haven't seen any tendency of players getting out of bad form quicker if they play than if they don't.
Secondly, It's correct that players with a lower form arrow fatigue quicker. If the table in this thread is right, the reason for this is they get a penalty (6 or 12 stat points) in stamina if they are on less than a green arrow.
very thorough
when me and my dad play, we both have red arrows, it seems to make the game faster (well obviously, all the players run faster) and can be quite high scoring.
for a slower paced game, pick the grey arrows, but your players wont be able to hit a barn door and it will be 0-0 guaranteed.
when me and my dad play, we both have red arrows, it seems to make the game faster (well obviously, all the players run faster) and can be quite high scoring.
for a slower paced game, pick the grey arrows, but your players wont be able to hit a barn door
and it will be 0-0 guaranteed.
Zygalski
Administrator
... unless you manage to round the keeper and walk it into the net. He can't miss that, can he
Having examined the chances of getting each arrow again, I remember a tournament I was in last year where the arrows are set to random. In one match, I was playing as France and my only available forwards who were on green were Marlet and Djorkaeff. All the others were on white/grey or blue. It didn't go too well
So yep, playing on all reds these days, as that's how it is in the national league and the closely-linked warmup tournaments.
phelan
Question: Can you figure out how playing someone out of their preferred positions affects their play? The manual says something vague about them not playing as well. Thanks.
Having examined the chances of getting each arrow again, I remember a tournament I was in last year where the arrows are set to random. In one match, I was playing as France and my only available forwards who were on green were Marlet and Djorkaeff. All the others were on white/grey or blue. It didn't go too well
So yep, playing on all reds these days, as that's how it is in the national league and the closely-linked warmup tournaments.
phelan
Question: Can you figure out how playing someone out of their preferred positions affects their play? The manual says something vague about them not playing as well. Thanks.
loving the new gif on your sig zyg, lol
i cant get used to giggsy having an x-port after the endless arguments you both had over them v the update disk
i think for tournaments they should be on red (or green) for everyone. it would be unfair to give people different, even if its more realistic.
does anyone know what happens when they are on red, and their stats go past 99?
for example, say Thierry Henrys pace is 97 (i dont know what it is), and he has a red form arrow, which means it goes up +10 (not sure if thats right either, but its an example), would his pace go to 107, or stop at 99?
cos if it stopped at 99, it would be pretty crap, cos a defender with a pace of 90, would be able to catch him easily, where we all know he is unstoppable.
comprendez?
i cant get used to giggsy having an x-port after the endless arguments you both had over them v the update disk
i think for tournaments they should be on red (or green) for everyone. it would be unfair to give people different, even if its more realistic.
does anyone know what happens when they are on red, and their stats go past 99?
for example, say Thierry Henrys pace is 97 (i dont know what it is), and he has a red form arrow, which means it goes up +10 (not sure if thats right either, but its an example), would his pace go to 107, or stop at 99?
cos if it stopped at 99, it would be pretty crap, cos a defender with a pace of 90, would be able to catch him easily, where we all know he is unstoppable.
comprendez?
Zygalski said:
If you place a player completely* out of position, such as a DF playing CF and vice versa, their Special Abilities become nullified.
But I don't think there was some sort of other penalty given, so
it is a quite useful tactic to utilise your best players all round.
*Which means if it's a adjacent position, absolutely NO penalties apply.
In previous versions of WE it was a common tactic to use Goalies
as Centre Backs for their high Defense/Jumping/Strength stats.
But I do remember something, about players having a tendancy to
go back to their original positions when placed out of position,
but I don't think it's implemented in the game, or if it is it
probably has a very small effect.
Zygalski, the percentages I quoted, 5-20-50-20-5 %, were for two leagues of 35 games alltogether. I'm not sure if it's the same when playing exhibition matches with form arrows set to ?, but then why wouldn't it be the same?
I think random is a fine term, even if some arrows are more likely than other arrows.
Mlym, The players don't loose their special abilities when played in wrong positions. I just put Henry in the defence and he still does both foot feints.
I tried to see if a DF's stamina deteriorated when I played him up front. To my surprise it didn't. He fatigued at the same rate as the CF next to him (both on green arrows and identical stats). So playing a player in a wrong position doesn't lower all stats by some amount. I haven't noticed what happens. Maybe they get confused and have trouble following the team's formation?
I've updated the Form Arrows section of my site with this info as well.
I think random is a fine term, even if some arrows are more likely than other arrows.
Mlym, The players don't loose their special abilities when played in wrong positions. I just put Henry in the defence and he still does both foot feints.
I tried to see if a DF's stamina deteriorated when I played him up front. To my surprise it didn't. He fatigued at the same rate as the CF next to him (both on green arrows and identical stats). So playing a player in a wrong position doesn't lower all stats by some amount. I haven't noticed what happens. Maybe they get confused and have trouble following the team's formation?
I've updated the Form Arrows section of my site with this info as well.
Great stuff Phelan, we all appreciate the time you've put into exploding the PES3 black box of stats....
I just wanted to mention that your link says you cannot see the CPUs form arrows in the game - while this is true for ML/league modes, in friendlies and cup games you can pause the game, switch teams via 'player select', and are then able to see CPU form arrows - you can even make substitutions/tactic changes for CPU if u want.
I just wanted to mention that your link says you cannot see the CPUs form arrows in the game - while this is true for ML/league modes, in friendlies and cup games you can pause the game, switch teams via 'player select', and are then able to see CPU form arrows - you can even make substitutions/tactic changes for CPU if u want.