The Ultimate Classic Player Thread

[Krook]

Tomaszewski, Gorgon, Lato & Gadocha

As many of you already know, Damian Ciszek created a classic Poland team for PES3 on gamefaqs.com (obviously Polish so he was biased on the player's ratings!). So I've reworked the stats with updated appearances, from what I've seen of them. Hope someone is interested!

Here's 4 of their top players:

Jan TOMASZEWSKI
-------------------

Name: Tomaszewski

Position: GK*
Nation: Poland

Basic-

Age: 26
Foot: R
Constit: B
F Kick: A
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 102
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Light Blue 1

Hairstyle-
Type: Curly 1
Shape: 3
Front: 5
Volume: 2

Hair Colour-
Type: 10

Accessories-
Bandana-
Type: 2
Colour: 2

Physique-
Height: 192
Weight: 93
Body: 3
Head H: -2
Head W: +2
Neck L: +2

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Always Long
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 47
Defence: 90
Balance: 85
Stamina: 56
Top Sp: 62
Accele: 61
Respnse: 86
Agility: 70
Drib Acc: 37
Drib Spd: 41
S-P Acc: 62
S-P Spd: 53
L-P Acc: 60
L-P Spd: 61
Sht Acc: 51
Sht Pwr: 72
Sht Tech:47
F Kick: 44
Curling: 41
Header: 62
Jump: 80
Techniq: 47
Aggress: 61
Mental: 87
Consist: 6
Kp Skill: 92
Tm Wrk: 69
Condit: 6
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4

Special Ability-

Penalty Stopper *


Jerzy GORGON
----------------

Name: Gorgon

Position: CBT*
Nation: Poland

Basic-

Age: 26
Foot: R
Constit: A
F Kick: A
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 117
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Light Blue 2

Hairstyle-
Type: Straight 2
Shape: 2
Front: 7
Volume: 2

Hair Colour-
Type: 15

Physique-
Height: 192
Weight: 90
Body: 4

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Seasonal
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 52
Defence: 90
Balance: 95
Stamina: 85
Top Sp: 76
Accele: 72
Respnse: 84
Agility: 71
Drib Acc: 63
Drib Spd: 61
S-P Acc: 70
S-P Spd: 75
L-P Acc: 68
L-P Spd: 66
Sht Acc: 70
Sht Pwr: 89
Sht Tech:68
F Kick: 69
Curling: 53
Header: 88
Jump: 84
Techniq: 70
Aggress: 68
Mental: 86
Consist: 7
Kp Skill: 50
Tm Wrk: 71
Condit: 6
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4

Special Ability-

Long Throw *
Marking *
D-Line Control *


Grzegorz LATO
---------------

Name: Lato

Position: WF*, CF
Nation: Poland

Basic-

Age: 27
Foot: R
Constit: A
F Kick: A
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 50
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Light Blue 1

Hairstyle-
Type: Buzz Cutt
Shape: 1
Front: 5
Darknss: 1

Hair Colour-
Type: 14

Physique-
Height: 175
Weight: 71
Body: 3

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Seasonal
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 90
Defence: 48
Balance: 77
Stamina: 82
Top Sp: 91
Accele: 95
Respnse: 85
Agility: 90
Drib Acc: 87
Drib Spd: 88
S-P Acc: 70
S-P Spd: 72
L-P Acc: 76
L-P Spd: 80
Sht Acc: 87
Sht Pwr: 85
Sht Tech:90
F Kick: 69
Curling: 74
Header: 86
Jump: 80
Techniq: 87
Aggress: 90
Mental: 82
Consist: 6
Kp Skill: 50
Tm Wrk: 81
Condit: 6
Wk Acc: 6
Wk Freq: 5

Special Ability-

Positioning *
Reaction *
Scoring *
1-1 Score *


Robert GADOCHA
------------------

Name: Gadocha

Position: WF*, SMF
Nation: Poland

Basic-

Age: 28
Foot: L
Constit: A
F Kick: D
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 115
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Light Blue 1

Hairstyle-
Type: Curly 1
Shape: 3
Front: 4
Volume: 1

Hair Colour-
Type: 12

Facial Hair-
Type: 21
Colour: Same As Hair

Physique-
Height: 170
Weight: 69
Body: 4

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Seasonal
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 86
Defence: 52
Balance: 73
Stamina: 77
Top Sp: 89
Accele: 90
Respnse: 76
Agility: 87
Drib Acc: 94
Drib Spd: 91
S-P Acc: 80
S-P Spd: 78
L-P Acc: 82
L-P Spd: 77
Sht Acc: 82
Sht Pwr: 80
Sht Tech:87
F Kick: 85
Curling: 90
Header: 76
Jump: 78
Techniq: 92
Aggress: 80
Mental: 75
Consist: 5
Kp Skill: 50
Tm Wrk: 78
Condit: 6
Wk Acc: 5
Wk Freq: 5

Special Ability-

Dribbling *
Reaction *
Both Feet Feint *

 

[Krook]

YV84, both Netto & Dasaev I intended to do, so if you can post them when you can I'll be grateful. Nice one

 

[Krook]

List of players

Here's my list of players I intend to create, so stop me if they have already been done. If only stats have been done, I will do the appearances for them (that's the easiest bit.)

Nehoda
Zebec
Panenka
Pantic
T.Gemmell
Altafini
Ivanov
Bonev
Busuttil
Hatzipanagis
Gren
Seeler
Kindall
Futre
Hannappi
Stielike
Hunt
Giles
Dzajic
Prohaska
Gerets
Nordahl
Haan
Pirri
Van Himst
Bettega
Haller
Bobek
Streich
Nordqvist
Baxter
Bican
Keizer
Lerby
Clemence
Libuda
Aldridge
Binder
Olsen
Camacho
Haynes
Altobelli
Bratseth
Hansen
J.Charlton
Francis
Oktay
Starostin
Colak
Cascarino
Prati
Juanito
Graziani
Petras
Cherenkov
Sparwasser
Ceulemans
Cunningham
Lawrenson
Belodedici
Prosinecki
McAllister

These players are just priority, there are plenty more that should be created after.

Obviously this will take time, so why I'm thinking about it, what should happen when PES 5 comes out? I will update appearances, etc but do you think a new thread should be started or just post them when edited?

I noticed that on one of the threads they listed two players with links to both which opened a new page with the post on it(like a menu). It wasn't a link to another thread though. This made me think about creating a thread which the first page was a list for the classic players (which would be updated when new players are done or posted) and discussion/new players would be posted after that. I hope you get what I mean (it's quite hard to explain!).

Just think if this was to happen, we could have the ultimate classic players thread! Where most players that people would be looking for would be available. Anyway I need to know how to do it first (that's if you can!) So if anyone can enlighten me, please do! Thanks.

 

[mattlarge]

leboeuf? petrescu? le saux? sven goran eriksson? pierluigi collina? what about a referee's team?

 

[YV84]

Hello krookwk, some of your players are in pes (Haller, Seeler and other) why do you want ot create them again?

i've create with my friend a little bit of players of your list(Gren, Charlton) but for majority idon't create them or not completely, so you can do them

For Netto and Dassaev don't worry they'll be there soon.

For pes5, we can stay here i think.

it's a good idea to put a list by nationality in teh first page of teh thread my friend Krookwk.

it's possible that i don't post during 2,3 days because a lack of time. i'll be back with player, i promise you

 

[beasley17]

Krookwk, looking forward to your list of players, ecstatic over the ones you've already made. I know of only one player on your list who's already made. El Diego posted stats for Jose Antonio Camacho here: http://forum.pesinsight.com/showthread.php?t=5886&page=1&pp=20. He could still use an appearance, though. All others I'll be waiting for.

In the meantime, here's the Croatian left-back Robert Jarni. I'm pretty sure I got this appearance from the Spanish-language site www.winningeleven.com. However, the site went offline a couple of months ago. It's back on now, but the post containing this has disappeared. It also had a better appearance for Stoichkov, and appearances and stats for several Alaves players. I'm not sure, but I think I remember that the person who created the appearance was named pueblo. In any event, the stats are by plumbum.

Skin: 1
Brows: 9/3/-1
Eyes: 4/-1/0/2/1 Brown 2
Nose: 3/1/0
Cheeks: 2
Mouth: 3/1/-1/0
Jaw: 4/-3/2
Hair: Straight 1/1/5/2
Color: 10
Facial Hair: 116
Color: 7
Height: 180
Weight: 77
Physique: 3

78
73
83
85
81
85
77
83
79
77
70
73
86
89
73
83
73
74
90
81
81
84
71
84
5
50
83
5
4
4

side*
outside*

 

[beasley17]

Kroowk, I ran across this page that may be of interest to you: http://www.expertfootball.com/players/encyclopedia.php

 

[beasley17]

One more classic player today: Helmut Rahn. The appearance is by poffeman on this site (pretty good considering he was in a hurry and Rahn was so funny-looking). The stats are by plumbum.

Skin: 1
Brows: 18/2/-3
Eyes: 11/-3/-3/0/2 Green 1
Nose: 5/1/-2
Cheeks: 2
Mouth: 3/3/0/0
Jaw: 3/-1/2
Hair: Very Short 2/5/3
Color: 10
Height: 178
Weight: 76
Head Height: 2
Head Width: 1

Position: CF/OMF/WF

91
43
78
73
83
82
81
87
76
86
68
78
62
75
86
89
92
78
62
80
83
75
86
97
6
50
98
7
3
2

no special abilities

 

[Krook]

Thanks for the quick feedback.

Firstly I haven't noticed Seeler & Haller in the game, I have too many in my list, so thanks.

Thanks beasley17 for the website, but I already come across it.

Beasley17 & yv84, thanks for the great support.

Lastly, mattlarge, Petrescu & lebouef are in the Pes shop. Also do you really think I would create a referees team? I'm more likely to create Iwan Roberts! (Still a no, by the way!)

 

[Krook]

Grosics & Pfaff

Here's two top-quality keepers, both legends in their own right.

Gyula GROSICS
----------------

Info:

Voted 217th in the 250 greatest european players of all time

Description:

Criminally underrated keeper of the great Hungarian side of the 1950s, Grosics was a fine shot stopper and the first sweeper keeper.

Name: Grosics

Position: GK*
Nation: Hungary

Basic-

Age: 28
Foot: R
Constit: A
F Kick: A
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 163
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Brown 2

Hairstyle-
Type: Very Short 2
Shape: 3
Front: 2

Hair Colour-
Type: 9

Physique-
Height: 180
Weight: 78
Body: 5

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Always Long
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 59
Defence: 88
Balance: 82
Stamina: 56
Top Sp: 58
Accele: 62
Respnse: 95
Agility: 70
Drib Acc: 56
Drib Spd: 53
S-P Acc: 68
S-P Spd: 63
L-P Acc: 70
L-P Spd: 68
Sht Acc: 55
Sht Pwr: 75
Sht Tech:52
F Kick: 47
Curling: 52
Header: 65
Jump: 85
Techniq: 64
Aggress: 68
Mental: 83
Consist: 6
Kp Skill: 91
Tm Wrk: 87
Condit: 5
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4

Special Ability-

1-on-1 Stopper *


Jean-Marie PFAFF
-------------------

Info:

Voted 228th in the 250 greatest european players of all time

Description:

Belgian player of the year after he captained KSK Beveren to the 1978 title as a keeper, Pfaff was a fine athlete & decision maker.

Name: Pfaff

Position: GK*
Nation: Belgium

Basic-

Age: 30
Foot: R
Constit: A
F Kick: A
Pen: A

Appearance-

Head-
Skin Col: 1
Face: 16
Colour1: 1
Colour2: Blue 2

Hairstyle-
Type: Curly 1
Shape: 3
Front: 6
Volume: 2

Hair Colour-
Type: 16

Physique-
Height: 185
Weight: 79
Body: 3

Strip Fit-
Sleeves: Always Long
Socks: 2

Ability-
Attack: 46
Defence: 92
Balance: 95
Stamina: 58
Top Sp: 64
Accele: 68
Respnse: 88
Agility: 75
Drib Acc: 52
Drib Spd: 48
S-P Acc: 55
S-P Spd: 63
L-P Acc: 68
L-P Spd: 64
Sht Acc: 52
Sht Pwr: 80
Sht Tech:48
F Kick: 49
Curling: 54
Header: 62
Jump: 84
Techniq: 52
Aggress: 56
Mental: 92
Consist: 8
Kp Skill: 95
Tm Wrk: 84
Condit: 6
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4

Special Ability-

Penalty Stopper *

 

[YV84]

Hello Krookwk and Beasley,

Quickly, i say to you Krookwk that I can do Popluhar and Ivanov(i speak about the Ivanov DMF of the USSR of Yashin), so you can concentrate you on other player of your list(i will do my player to-do-list thursday maybe, like that you can see precisely how i can help you)

bye

 

[Gerd_Muller]

Can you do any swedish classic player like Gunnar Gren, Ralf Edstrom, Kurt Hamrin or Lennart Skoglund or someone from the 1994 WC__

 

[beasley17]

I've got numbers for Pierluigi Casiraghi by mxbirthdefect at pes-x.de.

Position is CF

90
40
87
82
88
83
93
80
76
82
67
72
62
67
85
81
83
68
63
81
80
77
90
68
4
50
74
5
7
7

reaction*

 

[Gerd_Muller]

I've got numbers for Pierluigi Casiraghi by mxbirthdefect at pes-x.de.

Position is CF

90
40
87
82
88
83
93
80
76
82
67
72
62
67
85
81
83
68
63
81
80
77
90
68
4
50
74
5
7
7

reaction*

Who is he???????_

 

[beasley17]

Sorry. Casiraghi played for Lazio, Juventus, and Chelsea in his career. He had 44 caps and 13 goals for Italy's national team, and was there for World Cup 94 and Euro 96. His height is 182 and weight is 78.

Here's another striker from World Cup 94, Nigeria's Rashidi Yekini. Stats are by mxbirthdefect.

88
41
95
78
92
99
87
75
77
88
65
61
60
68
82
93
80
70
68
75
83
78
80
71
5
50
72
6
4
4

reaction*

 

[beasley17]

Here's Tony Yeboah, by plumbum.

86
34
90
76
79
83
88
79
78
75
68
64
65
63
86
81
87
70
70
83
83
86
87
71
5
50
82
5
3
3

scoring*
center*

 

[beasley17]

Another one by mxbirthdefect. It's Tomas Skuhravy, the leading scorer at World Cup 90.

85
52
92
81
87
80
75
82
74
87
63
68
60
67
92
88
91
78
67
96
90
81
74
70
5
50
78
6
7
8

positioning*

 

[beasley17]

Two more by plumbum, these ones are Dutch masters. Here's Bryan Roy:

85
41
84
75
86
84
74
82
82
83
70
67
69
64
84
77
81
61
63
79
79
84
84
70
5
50
74
5
4
4

reaction*
both feet feint*

 

[beasley17]

This one is Aron Winter:

76
80
84
88
83
79
85
81
84
79
88
87
84
85
79
86
80
81
81
80
76
85
61
91
6
50
94
6
5
5

playmaking*
passing*
sliding tackle*

 

[Krook]

Thanks for the stats. I'll think it would be wise to wait until PES 5 is out till I make appearances for them, I'm working on plenty in the meantime.

While I'm on the subject of PES 5, are all you guys getting it on release date? (21st October, I don't know about Sweden though) Or are you WE fans? Lastly what do you play it on? PS2, XBOX or PC?

As you you can tell I'm a PES fan (no rival website pun intended!) and my console of choice is PS2. I love the scope of customisation for the pc, but it would feel weird playing it on it.