The Ultimate Classic Player Thread
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JudeTheCat
New Member
Classic England Players
Hi, is it possible for someone to have a go at making better appearances for Glenn Hoddle and Kevin Keegan because the default ones are dreadful. I've tried to modify them myself but I make them look worse than they are already and you guys have done such an excellent job on all the other faces that I hoped you would provide the necessary faces that I need.
Many thanks in advance for your help
Jude The Cat
Hi, is it possible for someone to have a go at making better appearances for Glenn Hoddle and Kevin Keegan because the default ones are dreadful. I've tried to modify them myself but I make them look worse than they are already and you guys have done such an excellent job on all the other faces that I hoped you would provide the necessary faces that I need.
Many thanks in advance for your help
Jude The Cat
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
VÍTOR PANEIRA
Position: SMF*, WF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 23
Height: 177
Weight: 170
Attack: 82
Defence: 66
Balance: 80
Stamina: 88
Top Sp: 83
Acceleration: 82
Response: 80
Agility: 77
Drib Acc: 86
Drib Speed: 86
S-P Acc: 84
S-P Speed: 80
L-P Acc: 85
L-P Speed: 83
Shot Acc: 78
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 86
F Kick: 77
Curling: 80
Header: 75
Jump: 73
Technique: 84
Aggress: 83
Mental: 84
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 90
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Passing*
VÍTOR PANEIRA
Position: SMF*, WF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 23
Height: 177
Weight: 170
Attack: 82
Defence: 66
Balance: 80
Stamina: 88
Top Sp: 83
Acceleration: 82
Response: 80
Agility: 77
Drib Acc: 86
Drib Speed: 86
S-P Acc: 84
S-P Speed: 80
L-P Acc: 85
L-P Speed: 83
Shot Acc: 78
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 86
F Kick: 77
Curling: 80
Header: 75
Jump: 73
Technique: 84
Aggress: 83
Mental: 84
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 90
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Passing*
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
ISAÍAS
Position: SS*, CF, SMF
Nation: Brazil
Side/Foot: Left Side/Right Foot
Age: 29
Height: 180
Weight: 80
Attack: 85
Defence: 50
Balance: 92
Stamina: 90
Top Sp: 85
Acceleration: 80
Response: 75
Agility: 80
Drib Acc: 85
Drib Speed: 77
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 72
L-P Acc: 81
L-P Speed: 74
Shot Acc: 86
Shot Power: 94
Shot Tech: 97
F Kick: 89
Curling: 87
Header: 74
Jump: 79
Technique: 84
Aggress: 86
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 92
Consist: 7
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 7
Wk Freq: 7
Special Abilities:
Middle Shooting*
1-Touch Pass*
ISAÍAS
Position: SS*, CF, SMF
Nation: Brazil
Side/Foot: Left Side/Right Foot
Age: 29
Height: 180
Weight: 80
Attack: 85
Defence: 50
Balance: 92
Stamina: 90
Top Sp: 85
Acceleration: 80
Response: 75
Agility: 80
Drib Acc: 85
Drib Speed: 77
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 72
L-P Acc: 81
L-P Speed: 74
Shot Acc: 86
Shot Power: 94
Shot Tech: 97
F Kick: 89
Curling: 87
Header: 74
Jump: 79
Technique: 84
Aggress: 86
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 92
Consist: 7
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 7
Wk Freq: 7
Special Abilities:
Middle Shooting*
1-Touch Pass*
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
JOÃO Vieira PINTO
Position: SS*, OMF, CF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Left Side/Right Foot
Age: 26
Height: 171
Weight: 62
Attack: 88
Defence: 65
Balance: 65
Stamina: 78
Top Sp: 83
Acceleration: 84
Response: 86
Agility: 87
Drib Acc: 88
Drib Speed: 89
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 80
L-P Acc: 85
L-P Speed: 81
Shot Acc: 82
Shot Power: 78
Shot Tech: 87
F Kick: 83
Curling: 90
Header: 86
Jump: 85
Technique: 88
Aggress: 84
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 94
Consist: 8
Condition: 6
Wk Acc: 6
Wk Freq: 5
Special Abilities:
Passing*
1-1 Score*
Lines*
João Pinto Appearance
Head: 1/-1/+2/-1
Brows: 8/-1/-3/-3
Eyes: 9/-2/+2/0/+1/2/Black 2
Nose: 1/0/-1
Cheeks: 4/-3
Mouth: 1/0/-1
Jaw: 5/-2/+1
Hairstyle: Special 174
Colour: Pattern 13
JOÃO Vieira PINTO
Position: SS*, OMF, CF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Left Side/Right Foot
Age: 26
Height: 171
Weight: 62
Attack: 88
Defence: 65
Balance: 65
Stamina: 78
Top Sp: 83
Acceleration: 84
Response: 86
Agility: 87
Drib Acc: 88
Drib Speed: 89
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 80
L-P Acc: 85
L-P Speed: 81
Shot Acc: 82
Shot Power: 78
Shot Tech: 87
F Kick: 83
Curling: 90
Header: 86
Jump: 85
Technique: 88
Aggress: 84
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 94
Consist: 8
Condition: 6
Wk Acc: 6
Wk Freq: 5
Special Abilities:
Passing*
1-1 Score*
Lines*
João Pinto Appearance
Head: 1/-1/+2/-1
Brows: 8/-1/-3/-3
Eyes: 9/-2/+2/0/+1/2/Black 2
Nose: 1/0/-1
Cheeks: 4/-3
Mouth: 1/0/-1
Jaw: 5/-2/+1
Hairstyle: Special 174
Colour: Pattern 13
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
RICARDO GOMES
Position: CBT*
Nation: Brazil
Side/Foot: Left Side/Left Foot
Age: 28
Height: 189
Weight: 85
Attack: 53
Defence: 88
Balance: 86
Stamina: 85
Top Sp: 76
Acceleration: 79
Response: 87
Agility: 78
Drib Acc: 76
Drib Speed: 72
S-P Acc: 77
S-P Speed: 73
L-P Acc: 78
L-P Speed: 72
Shot Acc: 70
Shot Power: 81
Shot Tech: 50
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 86
Jump: 86
Technique: 82
Aggress: 52
Mental: 85
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 85
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Sliding Tackle*
Covering*
RICARDO GOMES
Position: CBT*
Nation: Brazil
Side/Foot: Left Side/Left Foot
Age: 28
Height: 189
Weight: 85
Attack: 53
Defence: 88
Balance: 86
Stamina: 85
Top Sp: 76
Acceleration: 79
Response: 87
Agility: 78
Drib Acc: 76
Drib Speed: 72
S-P Acc: 77
S-P Speed: 73
L-P Acc: 78
L-P Speed: 72
Shot Acc: 70
Shot Power: 81
Shot Tech: 50
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 86
Jump: 86
Technique: 82
Aggress: 52
Mental: 85
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 85
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Sliding Tackle*
Covering*
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
SHÉU Han
Position: DMF*, CMF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 27
Height: 176
Weight: 70
Attack: 78
Defence: 83
Balance: 84
Stamina: 93
Top Sp: 77
Acceleration: 76
Response: 88
Agility: 83
Drib Acc: 76
Drib Speed: 73
S-P Acc: 85
S-P Speed: 78
L-P Acc: 84
L-P Speed: 80
Shot Acc: 76
Shot Power: 72
Shot Tech: 70
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 76
Jump: 75
Technique: 80
Aggress: 68
Mental: 91
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 93
Consist: 8
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
Covering*
SHÉU Han
Position: DMF*, CMF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 27
Height: 176
Weight: 70
Attack: 78
Defence: 83
Balance: 84
Stamina: 93
Top Sp: 77
Acceleration: 76
Response: 88
Agility: 83
Drib Acc: 76
Drib Speed: 73
S-P Acc: 85
S-P Speed: 78
L-P Acc: 84
L-P Speed: 80
Shot Acc: 76
Shot Power: 72
Shot Tech: 70
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 76
Jump: 75
Technique: 80
Aggress: 68
Mental: 91
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 93
Consist: 8
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
Covering*
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
António Oliveira (“TONI”)
Position: CMF*, DMF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 23
Height: 186
Weight: 85
Attack: 80
Defence: 74
Balance: 95
Stamina: 96
Top Sp: 78
Acceleration: 80
Response: 82
Agility: 80
Drib Acc: 83
Drib Speed: 80
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 75
L-P Acc: 81
L-P Speed: 80
Shot Acc: 76
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 60
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 81
Jump: 80
Technique: 82
Aggress: 70
Mental: 87
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 92
Consist: 7
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
António Oliveira (“TONI”)
Position: CMF*, DMF
Nation: Portugal
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 23
Height: 186
Weight: 85
Attack: 80
Defence: 74
Balance: 95
Stamina: 96
Top Sp: 78
Acceleration: 80
Response: 82
Agility: 80
Drib Acc: 83
Drib Speed: 80
S-P Acc: 82
S-P Speed: 75
L-P Acc: 81
L-P Speed: 80
Shot Acc: 76
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 60
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 81
Jump: 80
Technique: 82
Aggress: 70
Mental: 87
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 92
Consist: 7
Condition: 8
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
Kakerlakk
Registered User
Classic Benfica
JAIME GRAÇA
Position: DMF*, CMF
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 27
Height: 163
Weight: 63
Attack: 82
Defence: 77
Balance: 80
Stamina: 87
Top Sp: 84
Acceleration: 82
Response: 85
Agility: 90
Drib Acc: 85
Drib Speed: 83
S-P Acc: 83
S-P Speed: 76
L-P Acc: 82
L-P Speed: 78
Shot Acc: 75
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 72
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 74
Jump: 72
Technique: 87
Aggress: 73
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 89
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
Passing*
JAIME GRAÇA
Position: DMF*, CMF
Side/Foot: Right Side/Right Foot
Age: 27
Height: 163
Weight: 63
Attack: 82
Defence: 77
Balance: 80
Stamina: 87
Top Sp: 84
Acceleration: 82
Response: 85
Agility: 90
Drib Acc: 85
Drib Speed: 83
S-P Acc: 83
S-P Speed: 76
L-P Acc: 82
L-P Speed: 78
Shot Acc: 75
Shot Power: 77
Shot Tech: 72
F Kick: 55
Curling: 60
Header: 74
Jump: 72
Technique: 87
Aggress: 73
Mental: 82
Keeper Skill: 50
Team Work: 89
Consist: 7
Condition: 7
Wk Acc: 4
Wk Freq: 4
Special Abilities:
Playmaker*
Passing*
Gerd_Muller
Registered User
Krookwk, can you do the stats??? i haven´t done it yet...
Danny Blind
Basic-
29
R
A
1
1
1
1
No
No
Std/Lasting????
Position-
Side/Foot: RS/RF
SWP*, CB, SB
Nationality: Netherlands
Appearance-
Head-
Face: Build Face
Skin Col: 1
Head H: 0
Head W: 0
Position: -1
Brows: 1/+3/-1/-1
Eyes: 13/0/-3/+3/-1/3/Brown (Black) 1
Nose: 1/+2/0
Cheeks: 7/+3
Mouth: 7/0/+1
Jaw: 7/0/+1
Hairstyle-
Type: Curly 1
Shape: 1
Front: 1
Volume: 1
Hair Colour-
Type: Pattern
Pattern: 10
Facial: 116/8
176/72
Body: 3
Danny Blind
Basic-
29
R
A
1
1
1
1
No
No
Std/Lasting????
Position-
Side/Foot: RS/RF
SWP*, CB, SB
Nationality: Netherlands
Appearance-
Head-
Face: Build Face
Skin Col: 1
Head H: 0
Head W: 0
Position: -1
Brows: 1/+3/-1/-1
Eyes: 13/0/-3/+3/-1/3/Brown (Black) 1
Nose: 1/+2/0
Cheeks: 7/+3
Mouth: 7/0/+1
Jaw: 7/0/+1
Hairstyle-
Type: Curly 1
Shape: 1
Front: 1
Volume: 1
Hair Colour-
Type: Pattern
Pattern: 10
Facial: 116/8
176/72
Body: 3
michaelh1990
Registered User
Johnny Morrissey
Morrissey 173 70 english *smf wg socks 2 ls/lf
AN everton winger who had the skills but also the strength the 4th midfield player long side kendall ball and harvey.
B Settings 29/l/a/1/1/1/1/standard
Bface 1/-2/1/-3
Brows 23/0/-3/-2
Eyes 21/0/-1/1/1/1/2 black 1
Nose 7/2/1
Cheeks 6/-1
mouth 15/2/0
Jaw 7/-3/-2
Hstyle curly 2/2/5/2
Ability
84
68
86
85
87
92
80
79
75
84
76
81
90
83
80
78
62
53
65
81
78
67
50
77
6
6
8
8
*Dribbling
*Side
*P-Making
Morrissey 173 70 english *smf wg socks 2 ls/lf
AN everton winger who had the skills but also the strength the 4th midfield player long side kendall ball and harvey.
B Settings 29/l/a/1/1/1/1/standard
Bface 1/-2/1/-3
Brows 23/0/-3/-2
Eyes 21/0/-1/1/1/1/2 black 1
Nose 7/2/1
Cheeks 6/-1
mouth 15/2/0
Jaw 7/-3/-2
Hstyle curly 2/2/5/2
Ability
84
68
86
85
87
92
80
79
75
84
76
81
90
83
80
78
62
53
65
81
78
67
50
77
6
6
8
8
*Dribbling
*Side
*P-Making
michaelh1990
Registered User
Howard Kendall
Kendall-English 179- 77-rs/rf socks 2
*smf,cmf,cb,sweeper
Bsettings 22/r/a/1/1/1/1/early lasting
Bface 1/3/3/-2
brows 30/-1/1/-1
eyes 15/0/0/0/2/1/brown 1
nose 7/0/0
cheeks 3/1
Mouth8/2/0
Jaw 7/-3/1
hstyle straight 1/1/12/1/pattern 10
Ability
79
80
84
92
74
79
80
84
78
79
90
88
92
85
77
80
78
67
58
60
75
76
78
85
80
89
6
6
5
5
*Tdribble
*Passing
*1 tch pass
Kendall-English 179- 77-rs/rf socks 2
*smf,cmf,cb,sweeper
Bsettings 22/r/a/1/1/1/1/early lasting
Bface 1/3/3/-2
brows 30/-1/1/-1
eyes 15/0/0/0/2/1/brown 1
nose 7/0/0
cheeks 3/1
Mouth8/2/0
Jaw 7/-3/1
hstyle straight 1/1/12/1/pattern 10
Ability
79
80
84
92
74
79
80
84
78
79
90
88
92
85
77
80
78
67
58
60
75
76
78
85
80
89
6
6
5
5
*Tdribble
*Passing
*1 tch pass
michaelh1990
Registered User
Andy King
King -england-173-69-*cmf amf-l+r
Bsettings
20/r/b/1/1/1/1/early peak
Bface 1/1/1/-2
Brows 9/-3/0/1
Eyes 12/0/0/-1/-1/1/brown 1
Nose 7/0/-2
Cheeks 5/1
Mouth 16/1/0
Jaw 5/-3/0
Hstyle straight 1/2/6/1/pattern 12
Ability
80
64
85
79
75
77
85
76
83
76
89
84
88
83
86
73
55
60
70
73
92
78
66
50
58
3
6
5
5
*pMaking
*Passing
King -england-173-69-*cmf amf-l+r
Bsettings
20/r/b/1/1/1/1/early peak
Bface 1/1/1/-2
Brows 9/-3/0/1
Eyes 12/0/0/-1/-1/1/brown 1
Nose 7/0/-2
Cheeks 5/1
Mouth 16/1/0
Jaw 5/-3/0
Hstyle straight 1/2/6/1/pattern 12
Ability
80
64
85
79
75
77
85
76
83
76
89
84
88
83
86
73
55
60
70
73
92
78
66
50
58
3
6
5
5
*pMaking
*Passing
michaelh1990
Registered User
Dave Watson
Watson -england-183-81-l&r-centre back
Basic Settings 27/r/a/1/1/1/1/earyl &lasting
Bface 1/0/-2/0
Brows 4/0/-2/3
Eyes 30/0/0/1/3/1/2 blue 1
Nose 4/3/1
Cheeks 5/3
Mouth 4/3/0
Jaw 7/-3/1
Hsyle special 195 /pattern 12
Ability
69
85
86
81
69
65
70
65
72
66
80
68
80
76
63
82
66
58
57
92
91
63
82
83
50
82
7
6
5
5
*S Tackle
*D line control
Watson -england-183-81-l&r-centre back
Basic Settings 27/r/a/1/1/1/1/earyl &lasting
Bface 1/0/-2/0
Brows 4/0/-2/3
Eyes 30/0/0/1/3/1/2 blue 1
Nose 4/3/1
Cheeks 5/3
Mouth 4/3/0
Jaw 7/-3/1
Hsyle special 195 /pattern 12
Ability
69
85
86
81
69
65
70
65
72
66
80
68
80
76
63
82
66
58
57
92
91
63
82
83
50
82
7
6
5
5
*S Tackle
*D line control
michaelh1990
Registered User
Trevor Steven
Steven-l&r-179-71-english-*smf,amf,wf,ss,cf
Bsettings 23/r/a/1/1/1/1/standard
BFace 1/0/0/1
Brows 20/0/-3/-1
Eyes 22/-1/0/1/1/1/black 1
Nose 7/1/0
Cheeks 7/-3
Mouth 8/1/0
Jaw 4/-3/1
Hstyle straight 1/1/6/2/pattern 10
Ability
86
68
76
89
89
90
87
79
85
89
83
79
88
76
85
77
59
59
65
78
83
79
86
50
87
8
6
5
5
*Dribbling
* Passing
*Side
Steven-l&r-179-71-english-*smf,amf,wf,ss,cf
Bsettings 23/r/a/1/1/1/1/standard
BFace 1/0/0/1
Brows 20/0/-3/-1
Eyes 22/-1/0/1/1/1/black 1
Nose 7/1/0
Cheeks 7/-3
Mouth 8/1/0
Jaw 4/-3/1
Hstyle straight 1/1/6/2/pattern 10
Ability
86
68
76
89
89
90
87
79
85
89
83
79
88
76
85
77
59
59
65
78
83
79
86
50
87
8
6
5
5
*Dribbling
* Passing
*Side
michaelh1990
Registered User
Peter Reid
Reid-enlish-cmf-176-78 l&r
Bsettings 29/r/c/1/1/1/1/early&lasting
Bface 1/-2/-1/0
Brows 15/1/-2/-3
Eyes 7/0/0/2/2/1/black 1
Nose 8/1/0
Cheeks 2/-3
Mouth 8/1/0
Jaw 3/-3/-3
Hstyle Special 195/pattern 4
Ability
74
72
80
61
64
66
92
62
79
68
83
88
89
89
80
79
83
63
64
75
83
90
84
83
50
75
6
4
5
5
*Positioning
*Passing
*Itch Pass
Reid-enlish-cmf-176-78 l&r
Bsettings 29/r/c/1/1/1/1/early&lasting
Bface 1/-2/-1/0
Brows 15/1/-2/-3
Eyes 7/0/0/2/2/1/black 1
Nose 8/1/0
Cheeks 2/-3
Mouth 8/1/0
Jaw 3/-3/-3
Hstyle Special 195/pattern 4
Ability
74
72
80
61
64
66
92
62
79
68
83
88
89
89
80
79
83
63
64
75
83
90
84
83
50
75
6
4
5
5
*Positioning
*Passing
*Itch Pass
michaelh1990
Registered User
Joe Mercer
Mercer-english-177-73-*sb,wb-rf/rs
Bsettings 25/r/a/1/1/1/1/Standard
Bface 1/1/1/1
Brows 13/0/-3/-1
Eyes 7/0/0/1/1/1/black 1
Nose 8/0/-1
Cheeks 5/0
Mouth 8/1/-1
Jaw 2/-3/-1
Hstyle special hstyle 156 /pattern 9
Ability
72
80
84
78
81
78
80
74
86
89
72
80
79
87
64
84
67
58
55
76
86
76
63
77
50
72
5
5
5
5
*Dribbling
*Side
Mercer-english-177-73-*sb,wb-rf/rs
Bsettings 25/r/a/1/1/1/1/Standard
Bface 1/1/1/1
Brows 13/0/-3/-1
Eyes 7/0/0/1/1/1/black 1
Nose 8/0/-1
Cheeks 5/0
Mouth 8/1/-1
Jaw 2/-3/-1
Hstyle special hstyle 156 /pattern 9
Ability
72
80
84
78
81
78
80
74
86
89
72
80
79
87
64
84
67
58
55
76
86
76
63
77
50
72
5
5
5
5
*Dribbling
*Side
michaelh1990
Registered User
Joe Royle
Royle-english-cf-l&r-186-79
Bsettigns 22/r/a/1/1/1/1/Early&Lasting
Bface 1/7/7/2
Brows 9/0/-1/-1
Eyes 16/0/-1/3/3/1/blue 1
Nose 4/0/0
Cheesk 3/-2
Mouth 8/0/0
Jaw 7/-3/3
Hstyle curly 1 /1/6/1
92
45
86
73
70
75
84
85
80
76
73
81
78
80
91
94
88
58
60
94
93
79
87
88
50
85
6
6
6
6
*Scoring
*1-1 Scoring
*Lines
* Centre
Royle-english-cf-l&r-186-79
Bsettigns 22/r/a/1/1/1/1/Early&Lasting
Bface 1/7/7/2
Brows 9/0/-1/-1
Eyes 16/0/-1/3/3/1/blue 1
Nose 4/0/0
Cheesk 3/-2
Mouth 8/0/0
Jaw 7/-3/3
Hstyle curly 1 /1/6/1
92
45
86
73
70
75
84
85
80
76
73
81
78
80
91
94
88
58
60
94
93
79
87
88
50
85
6
6
6
6
*Scoring
*1-1 Scoring
*Lines
* Centre
michaelh1990
Registered User
Thgats all the classic everton players on now apat form neville suthall got his stats having bt fo trouble with his hair though cnat find right 1