Through passes not working

[VilleAlanko]

I'm playing with an edited team against the computer and I simply cannot thread any through balls with my AMC to my attacker(s).

The tactic that I use is mostly 4-4-2, with the midfield consisting of two DMs, one wing-attacker and one AM behind the front-two. The playmaker has got passing and playmaking as special skills and the strikers have both got lines, positioning, scoring etc. as special skills, yet they make no forward runs when my AMC has got the ball. Everytime I try a through ball, it ends up at the defending team. Not a single pass puts an attacker away one-on-one with the keeper, eventhough the attackers have runs forward and diagonally aswell.

My question is, what do I need to do to formation-wise, or other, to put my pacey attackers away on goal. This was easy in the previous versions of the game but not in this one, except when playing against a human player, who obviously makes mistakes, something the computer seems unable to do when marking your players?

I won't rest until this is sorted, so for the sake of all things good, help me out!!

 

[Homer J.]

With an edited team... Does that mean all 99? They usually give passes a little to fast.

Formationwise you could try to get you forwards back a little and work with a second (A and B) formation. With the second formation you give the forwards an attacking arrow and place them forward, so they will run when you ask.

Worth a try...

 

[cant beat me]

I'm playing with an edited team against the computer and I simply cannot thread any through balls with my AMC to my attacker(s).

The tactic that I use is mostly 4-4-2, with the midfield consisting of two DMs, one wing-attacker and one AM behind the front-two. The playmaker has got passing and playmaking as special skills and the strikers have both got lines, positioning, scoring etc. as special skills, yet they make no forward runs when my AMC has got the ball. Everytime I try a through ball, it ends up at the defending team. Not a single pass puts an attacker away one-on-one with the keeper, eventhough the attackers have runs forward and diagonally aswell.

My question is, what do I need to do to formation-wise, or other, to put my pacey attackers away on goal. This was easy in the previous versions of the game but not in this one, except when playing against a human player, who obviously makes mistakes, something the computer seems unable to do when marking your players?

I won't rest until this is sorted, so for the sake of all things good, help me out!!

small passes between ur two dmf and amf, and ur winger should be making his chance to get a pass. use your winger as if ur going down the wing, keep an eye out for your amf hovering around, quick pass to him and shoot !!!!, shoot from anywhere outside the box, scoring has b ecame outstanding. if ur am hasnt got enough space to shoot try flicking a through ball into your strikers then.

(ur amf should have a 1 or 2 defenderrs running towards him after ur winger has passed to him) thats your chance for a through ball, shot, or restart the attack if its came to nothing.

small passes and long shots go good together in this game.

 

[cant beat me]

since pro 1 ive been uising a 4 4 2 formation in games, usually take 5 goals off any1.

pro 5 i couldnt get enough of the ball to do my thing so i changed to

-----------------fw---------------
--lwf-----------------------rwf--

-----------------am-----------------
-----------cm-----------cm
-----------------dmf-------------------

-------cb------sweeper-----cb------------

 

[Tallulah Belle]

You can't do a defense splitting through ball like in PES4. It will just run into the keepers arms. The best way to do it now is to come in off the wing and play one through that way, on the counter attack. Always works with me.

 

[VilleAlanko]

Yeah, I know you can hit a through ball with a winger, it's piss-easy, but my AMC doesn't seem to even get in positions where he would be able to hit one. And when he could hit one, my strikers are always standing next to the central defenders juggling their bolloc*s!

And no, the attributes are not 99.

 

[VilleAlanko]

With an edited team... Does that mean all 99? They usually give passes a little to fast.

Formationwise you could try to get you forwards back a little and work with a second (A and B) formation. With the second formation you give the forwards an attacking arrow and place them forward, so they will run when you ask.

Worth a try...

How does that work? How can I tell them when to run?

 

[fully27]

Hi i play on the counter, with 2 WF and a AMF and 2 DMF,

---------CF
LWF---------RWF
---------AMF
---DMF----DMF

I think the counter attack quick setting helps, because with 2 wingers, it streches the play to 2 on 2, when the ball is with my AMF, therefore most through balls are effective as my striker is only running against one defender. Hope that made sense or helped at all - it seems all your doing is the correct way to go about it though.

 

[fully27]

How does that work? How can I tell them when to run?

Go to stategy then copy your formation to A and B, then on B edit your strikers to more forward positions, then go to strategy manual - set one of the buttons to formation b.

Now when playing pressing L2 and the button you assigned to formation b will make your forwards take up the more forward position from the one their in, hence running further forward, giving an option to try and pick out with a through ball.

 

[VilleAlanko]

Thanks. Will try, and report back later.

 

[VilleAlanko]

That's it. I'm fuc*ing sick and tired of this stupid fuc*ing game, where there motherfuc*ing COM-team is absolutely fuc*ing rubbish in attacking but god-like at defending and taking the ball from your feet(no matter if your pressing R2). Every bloody 50-50-situation ends in their favour. They must for example have about 30 throw-ins in every game, while I might get 2.

Bollox with realism, this is far from it.

 

[boltonrocks]

Boltonrocks

Well, i couldn't agree more. I've got every game of the PES-series, and of course i'm aware that it takes some time to get used to the transition from one game to the next, but with PES5....F%ck! I'm just not getting the hang of it. No matter what crappy side i'm playing against, they're allways dominating the possesion and my defenders run about like decapitated chickens. Every f%cking loose ball winds up in the feet of my opponent...all the time...allways. The ref allways favours the COM. I've been carded for things that aren't even a foul in basketball. The through passes don't work, heck..no passes work, and you can't rely on dribbling skills either.
It's a shame! The game's got exellent graphics and animations. The official licenses are better than ever (even Rosenborg is in). The music is awful though, but the game has a potential to be the best game money can buy, only too bad i don't have the skills required to play it. I even tried to play it at an easier skill level, but then it became way too easy, as the opposition didn't run.
Ah, well! I guess i'll just have to wait for number six.

 

[Devil_Crazy]

Well erm...just a suggestion, patience is the key in this game. Although through passes are more difficult, you can make it work by either passing the ball to your strikers diagonally from the wings or slowly let your AMC approach the defensive line, then tapping triangle when your striker is about to make a run.

 

[UncleJ]

Well erm...just a suggestion, patience is the key in this game. Although through passes are more difficult, you can make it work by either passing the ball to your strikers diagonally from the wings or slowly let your AMC approach the defensive line, then tapping triangle when your striker is about to make a run.

Devil_Crazy bout right right on this.

Defences on PES5 ore top class though.

I have no problem threading thru ball too, although with less success rate than prev. version where they were way too effective until it became cheap.

Wait for the run then release. Also I notice, the highe up in difficulty you go, the better your AI teammate move off the ball. (too bad the CPU AI defends better too).

Oh yeah, did you try using 'super cancel' to check the run and intercept the ball early.

Cheers

 

[VilleAlanko]

Well erm...just a suggestion, patience is the key in this game. Although through passes are more difficult, you can make it work by either passing the ball to your strikers diagonally from the wings or slowly let your AMC approach the defensive line, then tapping triangle when your striker is about to make a run.

"slowly let your AMC approach the defensive line, then tapping triangle when your striker is about to make a run"...

Exactly how many times have you had the time to let your AMC SLOWLY approach the defensive line? First of all, he never can get away from the DM who's marking him like a feckin' ape with nothing else to do than track him around the pitch like that's his sole purpose to exist. And if he somehow magically can get past him ('coz he's never between the DM and the defence line, where he should be. The DM is always in front of him.), the defenders are so quick to see you're about to make a pass and and suddenly attack you from the line. They are so quick to do it, it is imposibble to react quick enough. Plus there's always the DM who's fuc*ing god in taking the ball from your feet even if he's behind you, and wothout making a sliding tackle! Rarely seen that happen in real life...

Anyways, I tried something yesterday, I took the attacking arrows off from the strikers in order for them not to just jog constantly in the directions they were supposed to, based on the arrows...

Voila! It worked, like I imagined (and this I based on real life experience) they stood still next to the defenders marking them, but this time when I tried a through ball their change of pace, which is obviously quicker than that of the defenders, enabled them to brake free of the defender and through on goal.

Needless to say though that their first touch gifted the ball to the keeper most of the time(this from players with technique of 85+), or they hit a shot wide, or so tamely that keeper had time to make himself a sandwhich, eat it, make sure there were no bread crumbs lying about and catch the ball.

 

[VilleAlanko]

How do you do the super cancel? I've tried it about 1000 times when the ball is going over the line off an opposition player, yet everytime my player somehow manages to get a touch on the ball and gift the opposition a throw-in, goal-kick corner etc.

 

[fully27]

"slowly let your AMC approach the defensive line, then tapping triangle when your striker is about to make a run"...

Exactly how many times have you had the time to let your AMC SLOWLY approach the defensive line? First of all, he never can get away from the DM who's marking him like a feckin' ape with nothing else to do than track him around the pitch like that's his sole purpose to exist. And if he somehow magically can get past him ('coz he's never between the DM and the defence line, where he should be. The DM is always in front of him.), the defenders are so quick to see you're about to make a pass and and suddenly attack you from the line. They are so quick to do it, it is imposibble to react quick enough. Plus there's always the DM who's fuc*ing god in taking the ball from your feet even if he's behind you, and wothout making a sliding tackle! Rarely seen that happen in real life...

Anyways, I tried something yesterday, I took the attacking arrows off from the strikers in order for them not to just jog constantly in the directions they were supposed to, based on the arrows...

Voila! It worked, like I imagined (and this I based on real life experience) they stood still next to the defenders marking them, but this time when I tried a through ball their change of pace, which is obviously quicker than that of the defenders, enabled them to brake free of the defender and through on goal.

Needless to say though that their first touch gifted the ball to the keeper most of the time(this from players with technique of 85+), or they hit a shot wide, or so tamely that keeper had time to make himself a sandwhich, eat it, make sure there were no bread crumbs lying about and catch the ball.

Only thing I'd say is after getting your strikers to make the runs etc, as youve described, spend a good 10minutes or so on the situation training scenario whereby you have to sprint on to the ball then control it, its under advanced attacking i think, really helps for those situations, allows you to break free but hold onto the ball.

 

[proevo_15021975]

right guys i agree with you all about the game been very hard with the defence always very difficult to beat.i find that playing a very attacking line up is always best(ive tried a few).3-4-3 is the best one with the quick setting on all out attack.even with only 3 defenders back i have only conceded 2 goals in half a season.i find that if you score first or early on in a game then usually 9 times out of 10 you will win.now the frustrating part you can hardly ever get a thru ball to work which is why possession of the ball is the key here keep the ball and pass it as much as you can untill you create space with a oncoming amf or a fwd trust me usually when one of your 3 attackers has the ball he will generally drag to defenders with him thus creating the space for a fwd runner.annother option i have found that works perhaps 3 times out of 10 is the high thru ball which i do usually with a defender.play the ball around the back 3 to create some space then with one of your full backs play a diagonal high thru ball this is done by pressing L1 and triangle and press in the direction you want this will go over the defences heads & your attackers so its a race to get to it.i doesnt work as often as you would like but it looks good the downside to this is that 7 times out of 10 you will loose possession or be offside.now if you think you are offside use super cancel.press R1 & R2 together and this will make the ai think your attacker is not active thus giving you the chance to make a other fwd give chase.now the super cancel button is quite usefull for example if your chassing the ball that is going out and you no its going to be your throw press super cancel your player then stops or goes in the direction you want.
experiment with the super cancel move it can get you the ball when your player diverts his path into the path of the ball.
i hope this post has been of some help.

 

[koolest]

here's a trick.com in pes5 utilizes man marking.allyou need to do is with the main formation put ur midfielders in wingers position and your wingers in the central midfield area.why?this will make the sidebacks mark your midfielders..then use formation a or b to return your wingers and mid fielders to their default positions..haha.voila you have succesfully disrupt your opponent defences..your wingers arenow free for through balls up front..

 

[OK Computer]

It seems to me that you are all trying to play too simply.... by passing to the AM turning and then expecting him to provide a splended pass through to the attacker and score.... PES5 doesnt work like that.... try to pass alot more in the opponents half, switch play a couple of times and check your radar to see where the striker is... its all about patience.
If you pass around instead of trying to run at them with your best player sooner or later you will se an opening your self to slip the ball through.