Thru balls WTF?

[MatTheCat]

Thru balls are terrible this year. For starters they dont go through, they just go slightly ahead of the player. And because the player only jogs along side he would of been better off being passed to feet. They normally go straight to a defender first anyway.

It seems to be impossible to direct them this year. They just go where they want.

Yup. This is very true and I would have thought it would be impossible to argue against this....but

Hi, i don't know how to teach you in using through ball. But one thing for sure the through ball in pes 2010 just brilliant nd realism( IMO ). i'm really satisfy when my AM able to make a nice through ball to my upfront both striker. I believe the through ball system not so perfect when apply in overhead through ball or winger play.

and also...

I agree. In order to succeed a thru ball you need to have a good passer. If you try to do it with anybody, it will fail. And I think this makes it more real.

and even....

Have to be honest, ive had my criticism of this game particularly online but I think the through ball is back to its best so to speak. It now feels good when you get it right, in previous versions the thru ball was just used as a get out, now it needs skill and timing, however I accept it is a bit frustrating if you are using lesser players from smaller teams and they cant do it which is harsh

It is amazing how you always get dozens of people all to ready to defend the most indefensible flaws in this game spinning all kinds of bollocks ranging from 'it makes it more real', to, 'you have got to press the R2 button two times whilst tapping your head' in order to perform a good thru ball.

The thru ball in PES2010 is fucking shocking. No excuses and no bollocks about needing good passing players or having to time it right. The thru-ball has been deliberately quadra-spazzed with the aim to maintaining balance in the gameplay. If the thru balls worked like they should or even worked like they would if I myself was on the park playing the ball, then probably PES 2010 would be another ProEvo game characterised by rugby scores and exploit gameplay. It seems that Konami are not smart enough to fix the games defensive flaws by making the defensive AI smarter, so they have opted for disabling elements of the attacking AI, namely thru-balls and dribbling/close control.

anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid cunt.

 

[EnglishSnake]

anyone who disagrees with me is a stupid cunt.

Way to go you asshole

on topic: Thru balls have been slightly nerfed but also i find tht the AI is better positioned defensivly

For me i tend to hit teams on the counter and play thru balls to the wingers and then cut in or square it but even then a well placed ball down the middle can make it and split the defence apart

Last time i remember playing PES every thru ball = goal which was BS tbh, its more realistic now n i dont have a real problem with it, i just changed the way i play

 

[MatTheCat]

Way to go you asshole

on topic: Thru balls have been slightly nerfed but also i find tht the AI is better positioned defensivly blah blah blah etc etc etc dribble dribble bribble brubble

Oh noes, here comes PESgamings resident Konami cheerleader.

the thru balls aint been nerfed...they have been totally sabotaged. Tying the gamers hands and breaking elements of the AI is not the correct way to go about improving the game.

Overall, I like PES 2010 and play 1-2 games most days. Despite the glaring limitations in the gameplay and the constant AI bending and scripting of the gameplay, ProEvo still does deliver thrills a plenty. But the thru-balls can just get right to fuck and anyone who defends them is a fanny.

Simple.

 

[meatyflaps]

I like the through balls on 2010. They are an improvment, and believe me, after playing Fifa 10 are much better than that games system of playing through balls.

Only thing i find annoying about playing a through ball on pes is that sometimes a a midfielder will play the ball out wide when your obviously slot it past the last line of defence to your centre forward.

 

[MatTheCat]

I like the through balls on 2010. They are an improvment, and believe me, after playing Fifa 10 are much better than that games system of playing through balls.

If your idea of a good through ball system is one whereby the ball is always aimed at the defender and/or the receiving player slows his run down to the point of jogging on the spot in order that he doesn't get the ball, then I can see your point.

Otherwise, you are truly on the next flight to Jupiter.

 

[EnglishSnake]

lol mat the blind cat only reads what he wants to read, do you know how to play PES?

 

[meatyflaps]

If your idea of a good through ball system is one whereby the ball is always aimed at the defender and/or the receiving player slows his run down to the point of jogging on the spot in order that he doesn't get the ball, then I can see your point.

Otherwise, you are truly on the next flight to Jupiter.

If you time your run correctly, you can avoid this.

 

[MatTheCat]

A wiseman (Hitler) once said;

"The peoples capacity for self-delusion is enormous"

 

[EnglishSnake]

A wiseman (Hitler) once said;

"The peoples capacity for self-delusion is enormous"

We know your living proof

 

[johannlo]

No they're definitely nerfed too much. A through ball to an attacking player making a run past the last man, ~ 10 metres outside the 18 yard box, should not result in a hugely over-hit ball that results in a goal kick, 9 out of 10 times. Yes the passing player has good passing stats allegedly lol.

It makes slide rule passes v difficult and also nerfs the one touch short distance through balls that I used to do a lot in PES6, 08, 09 between my forwards. A large majority of goal scoring now comes from corners and cutbacks, forget about trying to do a textbook slide rule pass.

Initially I really liked 2010 but the more I play the more things I realise are off.

 

[Makavelian]

No they're definitely nerfed too much. A through ball to an attacking player making a run past the last man, ~ 10 metres outside the 18 yard box, should not result in a hugely over-hit ball that results in a goal kick, 9 out of 10 times. Yes the passing player has good passing stats allegedly lol.

It makes slide rule passes v difficult and also nerfs the one touch short distance through balls that I used to do a lot in PES6, 08, 09 between my forwards. A large majority of goal scoring now comes from corners and cutbacks, forget about trying to do a textbook slide rule pass.

Initially I really liked 2010 but the more I play the more things I realise are off.

lofted trough balls are fooked up on this pes
the amount of times you want to do a delicate little lofted through ball
and it ends up in row z
but i like the through balls that are kept on the carpet

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Now that there's a patch, what are people finding? Personally I am finding both the thru pass and the lofted thru pass are much more effective, and off the ball runs are better too, especially now that there is more space in the box. But, maybe it's just me? What are other people finding?

 

[SAFCste]

The little over the top dinky thru balls dont work ever. It might as well be the give the ball straight to the opposition button for the use it is.


Why does it exist>?

 

[bencs]

over the top through ball is difficult. the ball not high enough and easily stopped by the defender.
Even in counter-attack, it hardly works.

btw, anyone know how to request a through pass/long ball from your teammate in BAL mode? press R2 twice only receive a direct pass....

 

[maxxpower]

The little over the top dinky thru balls dont work ever. It might as well be the give the ball straight to the opposition button for the use it is.


Why does it exist>?

I too was extremely annoyed by this, but it turns out if you have a good passer, for example I have Seedorf in my ML, and I tried those types of thru balls, and they actually went to my player. So I guess it depends on what player you try the thru balls with.

 

[Stormrider]

The little over the top dinky thru balls dont work ever. It might as well be the give the ball straight to the opposition button for the use it is.


Why does it exist>?

That's funny cuz I have a bunch of replays with those types of passes. Some with very good passers some with not so good passers lol. Also fyi those passes don't work out very often irl either.

As for the ground thru balls I never had a problem with it. I just think people are over using them. Most of my defense splitting passes are done with plain old fashioned X button lol. There's a time and place for triangle so learn when to use and when not to.

 

[SAFCste]

Since I posted that I made 2 last night online in the same game. I was man city which is the best team I've picked so far, normally I pick no better than sunderland and they can't do it.

It also could have been because I was playing against humans instead of the computer.

 

[MatTheCat]

Since I posted that I made 2 last night online in the same game. I was man city which is the best team I've picked so far, normally I pick no better than sunderland and they can't do it.

It also could have been because I was playing against humans instead of the computer.

Don't allow your judgement to be marred by the deluded fools on this website, the same bunch of fools who all reckon the latest update patch has 'improved' the gameplay. These fools who are stating that:

You need a good passer
Its just like real life
You have got ot learn when to use them

Are all just stupid cunts. Every single one of them. Yes, the thru-ball sometimes ACTUALLY works, often in situations when it really shouldn't work at all but somehow all the defenders dance over the painstakingly lethargic thru ball whilst your receiving player literally starts running on the spot in an effort not to get the ball, but despite all this AI hindering, sometimes he does end up with the ball! Even in situations where there is no obstacle between the man playing the ball and the man that should receive the ball just in front of him, as soon as you press the thru-ball button the games AI will hinder your own players trajectory, swiftly move opposition players into the trajectory, and bend the ball towards the opposition players. This is the usual situation with the thru-ball in PES 2010. As for the lofted thru-balls, they are either far too strong or far too weak. When you need a really strong one to get up and over the defence, no matter how long your press the button for, the ball will always be played much too weak. When you only want a little delicate flick, that is when your player will cannon the ball into row Z, no matter how softly you tap the button.

The thru-balls are fucking shocking and like many other unacceptable things in this game, they have been nerfed in the name of AI balancing. Don't let no little fantasy prone gack jawed kid that imagines all kinds of things about the game that simply aren't there, tell you otherwise.

P.S. There are situations where the thru ball does work quite well but these situations have nothing to do with resembling the real game of football and everything to do with Konamis quirksome coding.

 

[faiyez]

Thru balls are OK on the sides of the pitch when you pass to your running wingers.

Thru balls to split a defense down the middle... not so much

 

[Hunter]

The through balls have been worked quite well by Konami this year. In previous PES's, there was an easy emphasis on through balls, to an unrealistic point. However in 2010, the defenders now read the through balls very well and often cut a lot of them out, especially the full backs I've noticed. It just means you've got to really pick your moments with the through balls - quite like real life.

The over the top through balls are also well balanced, some are often overhit but that's to be expected. Afterall, wouldn't it be cheap if all lofted through balls worked nearly everytime like in previous PES titles? Again, you need to pick your moments and time the balls perfectly according to your teammates runs, even then some may go astray naturally.

It's a well balanced system and I'm currently playing a League mode with SS Lazio and I've found through balls to be quite effective, especially for my alternating centre forwards Cruz and Pandev.