This is excellent

i've got so much to add.. some of it cud be utter blabba but here goes......
head is talking about how it's all beckhams fault that he always gets into scuffles in international matches but its not cos hes arrogant or cocky, its totally because people are jealous of him or know they will get a reaction by going in hard on him... you look at the macedonia match, in the first half he was taken down 4 or 5 times with fairly bad tackles which wuda been much worse had he not jumped every challenge. because he is such afamous player, opposition players will gang up on him, you see him being double-teamed everytime he's on the ball and he rarely is allowed time on the ball.
"who would put beckham in the top 10 players list, or even 20?" - i personally would put him in or around this bracket. he is a world class player with talents that no other player has. he is a truely unique player who cannot really be compared with anybody else - you can't base arguments on how much skill a player has or how many lollipops he would do in a match, but the quality and energy a player gives on the pitch. beckham's passing is 100% in the top 10 in the world - his range of passing, crossing and shooting is all up there with the very best of them.. just cos he can't beat a man for pace there is so much more to his game.
also, whoever pointed out about heskey and beckham holding the ball up in the corner for 3 minutes, i find it frustrating personally and i wudnt do it myself in a match.. but these things occur. look at 'the best team to watch in the premiership' last season - arsenal. ive seen henry and pires do this for about 4 minutes (remember the fa cup final?) they were in that corner for about 5 minutes!!!
they also did it in the confederations cup at some point so even the 'best' players do this tactic.
also, head, you're just trying to turn this whole hooligan thing round on england. the turkish fans are absolutely disgraceful! im seeing double standards when it comes to england. racist chanting happens whenever ive seen turkish fans, confederations cup as a great example. you also will 100% boo our national anthem in october (which we were penalised for, along with the people running on the pitch) BUT can i take the confed cup again as an example - a turkish fan ran on the pitch, fans were sprinting down from the top of the stadium to the bottom of the stands just to shout and jeer at thierry henry taking a corner.!!
also my last point is the 'world class well known turkish players' - head (sorry to keep picking on you but you leave yourself so open with your crap) but " " ps : alpay tugay hakan sükür nihat emre rüstü yildiray scholl muzzy okan tuncay, for anyone who wants to know a worldwide known turkish player. i can count more by the way." "
sure rustu and hakan are well known, nihat is of course gaining prominence but MUZZY IZZET ? LOL go to italy and ask them who muzzy izzet is