WE7-IJ Vs WE7I-US

[ntalex]

Very interesting discussion. I’d like to point out one moment – larsson said as for usa one: “…it has still crappy refs which give fouls or even yellow cards if you play the ball clearly, it is faster than the Japanese version…”
Actually, the speed of the gameplay can be very easily adjusted on PC, thus we7:I jap for ps2 looks MUCH MORE faster to compare with usa version pc, but even if u didn’t adjust the speed – both games looks similar.
As for referee – he is the same like in usa version – still silly mistakes considering slide tackle.
There is only one difference, which can be positive to compare with usa version – gk can drop the ball in jap ver, which really didn’t take me at all.
And – every review from any magazines, instead official rep. from KONAMI – just another personal subjective view and, of course, it can’t be official point of view.



P.S.
To get more realistic gameplay in usa version I had to decrease totally three parameters:
- short speed pass – “30”
- short pass acc. “20”
- technique – “20”

 

[larsson]

Refs are improved in the Jap version, they´re still the same in the US version like in PES3 or WE7...
I´m not going to repeat my points again, the US version seems faster to me, it´s easier to dribble, which makes the whole game easy and the crosses are unrealistic (soft), the AI is better in the Japanese version, eg for strikers, I have mentioned that in my previous post, they move just better than in the US version, where my center strikers were on the wings most of the time, it´s the same bug like in PES3, WE7...

 

[Winning 11]

ok guys, I guess we should discuss these things in here and not in the WE7:I impressions thread, ok ?

I completely agree with W11´s last paragraph, that´s actually the same I wanted to write before I saw he mentioned that already
Edmundo, that what you describe as "Korean futbol" is nothing else than "European football", have you ever seen a Premier League game, or Champions League, or the European top nationals ?
It´s all about fast passing, counter attack football, hard crosses and headers. Ever seen Arsenal, Real Madrid, Milan or Roma playing ? Or Holland, France or the Czech Rep. ? You´re scoring an own goal on your argumentation there. This European style of footie is offered by the Japanese version, while it´s simplier to do individual actions on the US version. It´s more an South American style of football, which I, to be honest, hate. It´s nothing personal btw, I don´t know from which country you are and I won´t conclude to your nationality from your name
I´ve tested the US version for a weekend intensively, and I must say, although there are clear improvements, it all reminds me of PES3, it has still crappy refs which give fouls or even yellow cards if you play the ball clearly, it is faster than the Japanese version, which I don´t like and it makes the game unrealistic for me, the crosses still are to soft, and there is this "centre-striker on the wings" bug, which already pissed me off in PES3/WE7, it´s not a problem if you play with a team like Arsenal, where the center striker (Henry) often plays on the wing, but if you play eg with ManU or Inter you have those big guys like RVN or Vieri not in the middle most of the time
You can defend corners and crosses way better in both, WE7:I Jap and US than in PES3, because defensive headers are improved.
About your question, I hope I´m answering the right ones :
It was the review of the official English PS2 mag, that´s why I said it´s an official review, you say it´s only another subjective opinion, well I say it´s your turn to bring on a big gamesmag which says that the Jap version is full of bugs and the US version is better. btw to be honest there are 2 bugs in the Japanese version, one is the number bug which was already mentioned and another one is this free kick bug, that the animation of the free kick is screwed up, it never happened to me in 2 months of playing it, but I´ve heard that from different people and saw an little movie with that bug so I assume it´s real.
To reply the other question, well, it´s quite simple, the US version always was a port of PES and that´s a well known fact, like this review told you, I´m surprised you don´t know it, you will find this info in every game shop I guess, I haven´t searched for that, while the Japanese version of WE7:I is this years Final Evolution, just under another name, for the first time the Jap release is multi-lingual that´s why they decided to call it International and not Final Evolution. We had an interview with the producer Seabass here where he said that, if you do a little search you should find it, it was also posted on evo-web.

Very well said..

 

[Edmundo22]

I completely agree with W11´s last paragraph, that´s actually the same I wanted to write before I saw he mentioned that already
Edmundo, that what you describe as "Korean futbol" is nothing else than "European football", have you ever seen a Premier League game, or Champions League, or the European top nationals ?
It´s all about fast passing, counter attack football, hard crosses and headers. Ever seen Arsenal, Real Madrid, Milan or Roma playing ? Or Holland, France or the Czech Rep. ? You´re scoring an own goal on your argumentation there. This European style of footie is offered by the Japanese version, while it´s simplier to do individual actions on the US version. It´s more an South American style of football, which I, to be honest, hate. It´s nothing personal btw, I don´t know from which country you are and I won´t conclude to your nationality from your name

can't u read ? ive already said it's all watch..
hehe altho im starting to question ur knowledge of the game when u say "korean futbol is like european futbol" ..maybe in lower rnds of UEFA Cup but at top level it is a higher standard!..with players with more pace and skill! it is not korean futbol at this level , does korean futbol have players like Ronaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho..?

we7ius is closer than we7ij to EPL &CLfutbol cos it still retains it's passing roots (passing is harder in we7ius) while keeping the realistic pace and body balance elements in the game. i say we7ij is like korean futbol cos it seems all the players are about the same standard (all do zidane passes have good agility..) in we7ius players differ more.. i like this


john311 sums up some good points about we7ij (from the impressions thread):
"
- worst change ever, a huge step backward. the "Super Thunder Pass" from WE3 (PSone) is back!! now everyone can pass like Zidane, cross like Beckham. players can do continual FAST heel passes like they have eyes on the back. with this change, the ball's speed turn even faster than before which u can hardly block it like in WE7/PES3!! now you can put 3 CF and let them pass like sonic and the defenders can do nothing abut it.
- long range shot is much improved which is a really really bad thing, even some below average players like Li Tie(MF) from Chinese national team can score from 30M away. instead, close range shot become harder, even in penalty area, shot seems blcok by keeper more frequently. attack become very easy now thanks to the super speedy passes, on 5 star diffculty with 15 mins match, I almost can score over 5 goals for every game with an ok team!!!
- defenders turns to be really dumb now(position well), they often run away/fall on ground and makes the 1 on 1 situation for their opponent. with Nesta's 99 defense, he seems even worse than some average defenders from WE7.
- the 2nd worst change is the speed. this game focus more on the body than speed. many players with good speed and body(balance) like Owen, Henry, Vieri etc. become useless. now everybody is like papercut, so easy to push away/down by the defenders. Dribbling speed term is completely gone now. with the harder dribble control, even you pass a defender, they can turn back then follow up to you with no problem, the worse thing is they also will steal your ball freaking fast like there's no tomorrow.

dont get me wrong, this game is still a decent soccer game, at least it's way better than the FIFA series. but compare to the original WE7/PES3, this is a big disappointment to me. I hope Konami can corret these stupid mistakes on the nex installment, thank you."

oh and regarding ur ps2 official mag rant.. i doubht the reviewer played we7ius for weeks.. no wonder he said it's basically pes3 cos i bet he DIDNT play it for weeks ..u obviously like being TOLD what a game is like rather than finding out urself.. mags just give me a general idea that is all

u have also confirmed that we7ij has more bugs, as we7ius does not have the bugs u mentioned.

 

[SideKicK]

Make up you're mind! I need to know which one to buy. we7-us or we7i-ij

 

[larsson]

No, I think it´s you who can´t read and understand what I wrote, read the sentence "Edmundo, that what you describe as "Korean futbol" is nothing else than "European football" again and try to understand before you comment on something, because you completely missed the sense of my statement.
Btw on the one hand you say that a test in a big gamesmag means nothing to you but then you quote something from the impressions thread, lol, really, congratulations to your logical thinking
If other opinions doesn´t play a role, like the paragraph from the gamesmag, why are you posting another peoples opinions then ? A bit stupid, don´t you think ?
I have mentioned the bugs of the US version, but I now see that you have problems with reading and understanding, doesn´t make a sense to discuss with you

 

[Edmundo22]

Refs are improved in the Jap version, they´re still the same in the US version like in PES3 or WE7...

this is not true at all.

weij Refs = we7ius Refs.

 

[Edmundo22]

no i understand it fine cos u were using english. the point i was making is that i disagree about ur point, at the top level it is different.

i quoted john311 cos he outlined the points i FOUND OUT in the game..and it saves me alot of typing. ur logic is what confuses me actually.

yes i have read ur points but i disagree with them , to me it dosnt seem u have played we7ius for weeks at all. ur statement about the ref's prove this.

EDIT: ah u tested it for a weekend ..but how cud u miss the difference with the Ref's..that's impossible?

 

[Winning 11]

Edmundo22, do you have anything else better to do, other than going back and forth running your mouth 24/7 about WE7I-US being better than WE7I-J. It`s really getting boring and annoying. You like WE7I-US then stick to it and keep playing it, alright ??
All of us are entitled to our own opinions, and what you`re trying to do is make everyone on this board to like stupid little WE7I-US. Open up your eyes, grow the hell up and STOP being annoying, that will get you banned in the near future. We have about 99.9% of PESInsight members cheering for WE7I-J and we have you (well who are you LOL ) cheering for WE7I-US. You have to know something, there is alot of people in here that went and did tournaments, even won some of them and they are saying that "so-far" we7i-japan is the best konami football sequel.

 

[Edmundo22]

hehe wat i do with my time is none of ur concern, if u want to engage in discussion do so , if not bye bye ..

big deal ..u know my opinion.

 

[ntalex]

... It`s really getting boring and annoying...

just don't read this topic or read the other where we7i jap has a lot of more exiting reviews.


BTW
“You like WE7I-JAP then stick to it and keep playing it, alright ??”

 

[Edmundo22]

P.S.
To get more realistic gameplay in usa version I had to decrease totally three parameters:
- short speed pass – “30”
- short pass acc. “20”
- technique – “20”

interesting stats edit there.. didnt think default technique was THAT good

 

[simmsm88]

I find it stupid that you all are arguing over a version of a soccer game

 

[Trance_Allstar]

how do you know if you have WE7i-Jap Or US???
From the movies i have seen it looks like you can curb the ball more than in US, or maybe it´s on the ps2 you can curb more?

 

[Zygalski]

I'm guessing that the US version is only in English.
The Jap version gives you a choice of languages, including Japanese.

 

[Trance_Allstar]

I´m guessing i have the jap cus the in the "press start" screen the voice is japanese, and the game fells very different from PES3/WE7.

 

[dannyboy20]

The US version has 3 languages if I remember correctly, when starting up.

The Japanese has about 6.

The US version is just like PES3 but it does have minor updates. The same can be said about the Korean version. All it is is basically PES3 being released for the US and Korean market (with minor updates)

The JAP version has major updates in the gameplay department and it feels like a different game. It has larger updates because WE7 was already released there so they improved the game even more for the Japanese market.