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Which players have had stat changes with the DLC

pesral

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yeah its off topic, I agree ^^. I didn't say Dunga is number 1. I said Brazil is number 1. Let's see what will happen next year on the world cup. Cheers!
 

shaun7

Registered User
^Brazil will always be Brazil though, bad coach or not, they are still the hardest to beat. ;)
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Manchester United always get the short straw in stats updates,

Berbatov has been downgraded, in everything, even Attack and Technique,

Evra is an amazing player but is crap compared to players like Sergio Ramos or even Ashley Cole, Evra is just as good. And does not even have the Overlapping run card!

Scholes is one of the best passers in the league, but has worse passing stats and no passing cards at all.

Giggs has top all time Premiere league assists, no passing cards.

Rio Ferdinand has been degraded loads, low response value, Form and Injury C?

how can you give him Injury C he has only recently become injured and never had a serious injury before in his Career, Torres has Injury A and has been Injured every season apart from his first season.



/Rant

This is 1st time I've heard someone say United got the short end hehe. Usually in Pes if a player comes to Old Trafford, a big stat boost will follow but yea that hasn't been happening recently. Was expecting a boost for Valencia but he remained exactly the same lol. Oh well I boosted him myself and he's pretty good now :D

Evra has always been fast with high aggression and stamina. In this update he's even faster. He also has decent stats all around and a couple of nice tricks. I don't think he goes forward as often as Sergio Ramos, Dani Alves, and Marcelo so no overlapping card suits him imo. He still has high aggression so he'll still go forward often enough.

Scholes doesn't have the vision he once had. Giggs gets most of his assists from crosses and set pieces and in Pes he's pretty awesome at that and I get plenty of assists from him. He's not a killer ball type of player like Kaka though. I don't really agree with Berba going down in technique. I think he's near the top of the world list but w/e 93 is still very good :). Imo Rio has had too high of response in past games and I'm glad he went down. He's also not the most consistent so glad he went down there too. Does he really have injury C now lol I still thought it was B.
 

StringerBell

Registered User
Palermo of Boca Juniors his attack went from 87 to 83.

Niang of Marseille got a huge boost in stamina 79 to 85 / Attack 80 to 82/ few other numbers i cant remember off the top of my heard.

Brandao of Marseille saw his attack go up to 80 from 78 and a huge boost to body balance now at 91.
 

xTracer

Registered User
This is 1st time I've heard someone say United got the short end hehe. Usually in Pes if a player comes to Old Trafford, a big stat boost will follow but yea that hasn't been happening recently. Was expecting a boost for Valencia but he remained exactly the same lol. Oh well I boosted him myself and he's pretty good now :D

Evra has always been fast with high aggression and stamina. In this update he's even faster. He also has decent stats all around and a couple of nice tricks. I don't think he goes forward as often as Sergio Ramos, Dani Alves, and Marcelo so no overlapping card suits him imo. He still has high aggression so he'll still go forward often enough.

Scholes doesn't have the vision he once had. Giggs gets most of his assists from crosses and set pieces and in Pes he's pretty awesome at that and I get plenty of assists from him. He's not a killer ball type of player like Kaka though. I don't really agree with Berba going down in technique. I think he's near the top of the world list but w/e 93 is still very good :). Imo Rio has had too high of response in past games and I'm glad he went down. He's also not the most consistent so glad he went down there too. Does he really have injury C now lol I still thought it was B.

I understand what you mean, in some cases I agree,

but when you Look at United's overall team stats and player stats compared with teams like InterMilan, Intermilan's players are ridicuals over valued for a team that failed to score against United in both legs of the CL and were beaten convicingly. and are consitently terrible against good oppostion in the CL, but yet are statistly the best team in the game and have been since PES 08

http://www.pesstats.com/
Overall stats ranking

1 INTER
2 FC BARCELONA
3 LONDON FC
4 REAL MADRID C.F.
5 A.C. MILAN
6 LIVERPOOL FC
7 JUVENTUS F.C
8 MANCHESTER UNITED

ridicuals, United are the 8th best team in the game according to Konami and there crappy stats team, this needs looking at, Big time

Back to back CL finals with one win, 3 EPL in a row, and you get 8th place. how does that work ?
 

shaun7

Registered User
^I don't agree. I win games much easier with United and Barcelona than with Inter. I find it hard to believe Inter are the best in Pes.
 

El_Pupi

Registered User
^they are the best, there are great subs for when the starters are arrow down, i play random condition always
 

shaun7

Registered User
^Inter? I still find it hard to believe that even Liverpool are better than MAN UTD in the game because they clearly aren't.
 

xTracer

Registered User
^Inter? I still find it hard to believe that even Liverpool are better than MAN UTD in the game because they clearly aren't.

if you look on the wesbsite you can see a full list of stats for teams,

Athletico Madrid are almost staticsly = to manchester United :shocking:

even if you dotn agrea with the entire listings, you must agrea that Inter are far from the best team in the world :eek:hmy:
 

shaun7

Registered User
^Ofcourse, I WAS SAYING THAT EVEN IN THE GAME, INTER ARE NOT AS GOOD AS MAN UTD so I find that list hard to believe. Oh and far from the best (inter) is a bit too harsh because even utd aren't the best team. Barcelona still are, no matter what happens this year in UCL.
 

xTracer

Registered User
^Ofcourse, I WAS SAYING THAT EVEN IN THE GAME, INTER ARE NOT AS GOOD AS MAN UTD so I find that list hard to believe. Oh and far from the best (inter) is a bit too harsh because even utd aren't the best team. Barcelona still are, no matter what happens this year in UCL.

The list is compiled of every player from every team, adding towards the total rating for the entries teams’ squad. How can you find it hard to believe? Its solid fact based on simple mathematics that Intermilan are the best team in the game.

Even Liverpool, who are terrible outside of the first 11 outrank United for Squad stats, United have one the most versatile and best squads in football

Konami simply have to do something about player stats, I could find 100 examples of players in PES that have ridiculous stats, under or over it does not matter.

The point is they are highly inaccurate,

Something that PES2010 is trying to promote is how players and teams are representations of their real life counterparts, well how do you expect to achieve this when their teams are statistically horrible which contributes towards terrible game mechanics
 

Stormrider

Registered User
I understand what you mean, in some cases I agree,

but when you Look at United's overall team stats and player stats compared with teams like InterMilan, Intermilan's players are ridicuals over valued for a team that failed to score against United in both legs of the CL and were beaten convicingly. and are consitently terrible against good oppostion in the CL, but yet are statistly the best team in the game and have been since PES 08

http://www.pesstats.com/
Overall stats ranking

1 INTER
2 FC BARCELONA
3 LONDON FC
4 REAL MADRID C.F.
5 A.C. MILAN
6 LIVERPOOL FC
7 JUVENTUS F.C
8 MANCHESTER UNITED

ridicuals, United are the 8th best team in the game according to Konami and there crappy stats team, this needs looking at, Big time

Back to back CL finals with one win, 3 EPL in a row, and you get 8th place. how does that work ?

First of all in reality and in Pes last year we were better than Inter cuz we had Ronaldo, the best player in the game. If you looked closely there's less than 1 point average separating #8 and #1. Also United had more crappy youngsters than the rest of those teams which brought our average down.

I dunno how you can complain this year. Rio def 96, Vidic def 92 that's a lot better than what Inter has. VDS is still awesome. Evra is very good. Gary Neville is still good in the game. Scholes, Carrick, Fletcher, Ando, Hargo, they can all pass, defend, and have skill on the ball. Ji Sung is just everywhere on the pitch. Gigg's crossing is a nightmare for any team. Berba is a big CF who can hold the ball up well and create for others as well as scoring himself. He's my leading assister and 2nd top scorer. His 1 touch passing, flicks, backheels, they're just awesome and create so much opportunities. And then we have Rooney who is an absolute beast in the game this year that is capable of scoring against any defense in the game.

Inter was not the best team in the game last year that title went to Barca. This year once again it's not Inter. It's between Real Madrid and Barca.
 

shaun7

Registered User
^I agree with what you said. You understood what I was trying to say about Inter not being that good in the game.
 

xTracer

Registered User
Stats are still retarded.

CMF, Lucas 75, Carrick 75,
Carrick is a miles better player

SB, Glen Johnsen > Defence value than Evra,
Please Glen Johnsen cant defend to save his life

CB, Jamie Carragher > Vidic,
Just lol

Aqulilani > Paul Scholes, With Passing cards and higher passing stats

Stats in PES are a joke, stop trying to defend them, I coult come up with hundreds of examples
 

shaun7

Registered User
^Vidic makes many defensive errors aswell. I agree that carrick is better than Lucas.
But don't say anything about Aquilani's passing. Scholes is decreasing in reality, but Aquilani's passing (especially short balls) is superb.

Oh and overall the stats are not so good I know, but take a look at Juve. That's an example of bad stats, not Man utd.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
Stats are still retarded.

CMF, Lucas 75, Carrick 75,
Carrick is a miles better player

SB, Glen Johnsen > Defence value than Evra,
Please Glen Johnsen cant defend to save his life

CB, Jamie Carragher > Vidic,
Just lol

Aqulilani > Paul Scholes, With Passing cards and higher passing stats

Stats in PES are a joke, stop trying to defend them, I coult come up with hundreds of examples

The overall player ratings are pretty shit but Carrick's is actually 81 if you play him in his preferred DMF role. Not sure about Glen Johnson I don't watch him that often but Evra can't defend for shit. Most of the times Vidic is there to save his ass and when Vidic is not there Evra is very lost. Iono what option file you're looking at but Scholes has better passing, shooting, teamwork, and mentality than Aquilani and the other stats are pretty equal. The passer card is not that important, it's just a cpu thing. Imo Vidic is better than Carragher. Stronger, higher response and very nice heading. Did you install some weird option file or something?

Oh and overall the stats are not so good I know, but take a look at Juve. That's an example of bad stats, not Man utd.

I've always liked Juve too but I think you're being really biased. In the game you have the best GK and some of the best CBs in Cannavaro and Chiellini. Legrottaglie is also very good cover. Grygera and Grosso are 2 good fullbacks. Melo and Sissoko can boss just about any midfield in the game. Camoranesi still got the goods. Del Piero still as good as ever. Amauri and Iaquinta are big, strong and just really good overall. The rest of your squad are very capable players, especially Poulsen, Marchisio, and Trezeguet.

Now your main complaint Diego has 83 balance, 94-83 dribbling, 86-81-82 shot, 89-85 free kick, 92 tech, and the awesome Talisman/All Out Attack card. Very impressive stats for a tiny AMF. Easily 1 of the best in the game and you're seriously telling me he's under rated?

Remember, your team is 3rd in Serie A atm and it doesn't look like you'll win any silverware this year. But you're still asking Konami to make them as good as Inter, Barca, and Real Madrid? If they make Diego any better he'll be as good as the Dinho of old. No way in hell will he ever be that good. There's only 1 Dinho ;)
 

xTracer

Registered User
Giggs has better passing than Scholes

Park has higher balence that Carrick,

Anderson has the same Balence as Scholes, Anderson rarley loosed a physical battle with any CMF, even the heavy wieghts like Gerrrd and Lampard.

Hargreaves is even Lower than Scholes and Anderson

Stats are crap in PES, there is no denying it,
I play on Xbox so I dont have the luxary of option files, but even the pesstatsdatabase rates Dirk Kuyt the same as Rooney in Attack,

There is no hope
 

shaun7

Registered User
I've always liked Juve too but I think you're being really biased. In the game you have the best GK and some of the best CBs in Cannavaro and Chiellini. Legrottaglie is also very good cover. Grygera and Grosso are 2 good fullbacks. Melo and Sissoko can boss just about any midfield in the game. Camoranesi still got the goods. Del Piero still as good as ever. Amauri and Iaquinta are big, strong and just really good overall. The rest of your squad are very capable players, especially Poulsen, Marchisio, and Trezeguet.

Now your main complaint Diego has 83 balance, 94-83 dribbling, 86-81-82 shot, 89-85 free kick, 92 tech, and the awesome Talisman/All Out Attack card. Very impressive stats for a tiny AMF. Easily 1 of the best in the game and you're seriously telling me he's under rated?

Remember, your team is 3rd in Serie A atm and it doesn't look like you'll win any silverware this year. But you're still asking Konami to make them as good as Inter, Barca, and Real Madrid? If they make Diego any better he'll be as good as the Dinho of old. No way in hell will he ever be that good. There's only 1 Dinho ;)

I know Juve are not doing good, I know But that's not because of crappy players and stuff like that. Juve are lacking teamwork that's what.
As for Diego, he has good stats, but not good enough. As for tiny AMF, he's easily one of the strongest players (physically) in the world.;)
And Ronaldinho in pes 6 was way better than diego of es 10 so a boost to diego won't mean he'll be ronaldinho. Oh, and he is not Ronaldinho, but he's very much like messi.
A team player with passes, dribbles and team work (that's what Juve are lacking and that's why diego isn't fitting in) and shot aswell.
And for the last time. Juve has players as good as Inter so stat wise they should be closer, but Juve are lacking teamwork so they will fail and that's why the downfall in stats.
Let me compare.
Our 2 centerbacks are awesome. I say better than Lucio especially. Cordoba is good.
Buffon and cesar both are good, but Buffon is just better.
Midfield is a battle between Juve and Inter.
But come one now. Juve has sissoko, camoranesi, Diego, Giovinco and Melo, while Inter has Vieira, Muntari (bad player), Cambiasso (great) Stankovic (not as good as he was) and ofcourse sneider (great player). You can clearly see Juve's midfield is slightly better.
Attack. Del piero, Trezeguet, Amauri and Iaquinta are good and Inter's attack is good aswell.
The only are where Inter dominates is the SB's.
Now with all the team JUVE has, they should beat Inter, but they won't. Why?
Because Juve can't work together and the player's don't understand each other.
With all this post I mean that stats shouldn't be so evident in pes, teamwork has the be the key. Because stat wise Juve are better than they are in the game, but they're not in reality because of lack of teamwork.
 

Stormrider

Registered User
I beg to differ. Juve are a very good team this year but as much as it hurts me to say, they're not on the same level as Inter. You can thank the scandal and demotion to Serie B for that but they're slowly getting back to that level.

As good as your strikers are, Eto'o shits on all of them. Along with Milito they have 2 goal machines. Juve has an old goal machine in Trezeguet whose fragile body can't complete an entire season anymore.

I agree Juve's starting midfield is better than Inter's irl and in the game, but Inter has fantastic strength in depth in all positions. Depth can win titles, just ask Arsenal who lacked plenty of it in 2007-2008 season.

Also Diego doesn't have good stats, he has fantastic stats. I can also name a million players stronger than him lol. But why sit around and whine to Konami when you can edit the stats yourself? So go copy and paste Ronaldinho's stats from 2008 or just give Diego 97-98 for everything like you've always wanted :laugh:
 
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