Will the PES series ever return to it's glorious heights of PES5/6?

[kryptic27]

i think the thing with pes is that seabass and his team know that everybody loves the pes franchise and because previous versions of pes were so good and enjoyable they find it hard to find new things to change in the game because all pes games were always near perfection in simulating real football so it was hard to find things that needed changing thats the reason why pes4/pes5 and pes6 are all similar games in that way, but with pes2008 i think they misread the publics expectations and changed the wrong things, konami decided to change in the way the game plays and feels when really i dont think anyone would of minded if pes had the same gameplay as pes5/pes6 remember the saying if it aint broke dnt fix it well they could of applied that saying to the gameplay while making pes2008 because if pes2008 had the same gameplay as pes5/pes6 with alot more game modes, a lag free online mode with online leagues and tournaments, next-gen graphics new edit mode features, new player abilities, stats, animations etc. and other little tweaks here and there then it would of been the best pes to date, konami need to know that when bringing something new to the table it dusnt have to be completley new instead you can build on the foundations of something already great to generate that new feeling we all want with games e.g fifa EA found a new foundation with fifa 07 and they built on top of that foundation and made fifa 08 a great game now fifa 09 is looking sure to be another great football title. i hope pes2009 will put the pes franchise firmly back on its throne as the king of football games.

 

[Amateur]

i think the thing with pes is that seabass and his team know that everybody loves the pes franchise and because previous versions of pes were so good and enjoyable they find it hard to find new things to change in the game because all pes games were always near perfection in simulating real football so it was hard to find things that needed changing thats the reason why pes4/pes5 and pes6 are all similar games in that way, but with pes2008 i think they misread the publics expectations and changed the wrong things, konami decided to change in the way the game plays and feels when really i dont think anyone would of minded if pes had the same gameplay as pes5/pes6 remember the saying if it aint broke dnt fix it well they could of applied that saying to the gameplay while making pes2008 because if pes2008 had the same gameplay as pes5/pes6 with alot more game modes, a lag free online mode with online leagues and tournaments, next-gen graphics new edit mode features, new player abilities, stats, animations etc. and other little tweaks here and there then it would of been the best pes to date, konami need to know that when bringing something new to the table it dusnt have to be completley new instead you can build on the foundations of something already great to generate that new feeling we all want with games e.g fifa EA found a new foundation with fifa 07 and they built on top of that foundation and made fifa 08 a great game now fifa 09 is looking sure to be another great football title. i hope pes2009 will put the pes franchise firmly back on its throne as the king of football games.

Yeah, so it would seem from many perspectives -but- the truth is that PES4, PES5, and PES6 -still- have a long way to go to be described as "near perfection in simulating real football".

The reality is that it isn't even near "Perfection", poor off-the-ball movement, a passing system that haves many things to improve, the players still feel connected (linked) to the ball in the wrong way, the Trapping (receiving, first-touch) of the ball is sometimes laughable, the Defensive Positioning is also laughable, the Dribbling system (and Controls) needs to be elaborated on, etc, etc, etc..

PES has never been near perfection (and FIFA isn't even worth mentioning) -and- it should change (improve, evolve), New Player Attributes should be introduced to future versions of the series, New Dribbling Features should be introduced, New Finishing Options, etc, etc.. The game haves plenty of room to improve.

So what's the Bottom Line?? well, I think this year Konami haves it very easy -because- PES 2008 was so bad, that anything playable (and finished) will be welcomed.

And again, you are completely ignoring the FACT, that PES4, PES5, and PES6 where a PS2 game. We have been playing that game since 2004, the same exact game. Now, do you think it's fair to build-up on that in the PS3??

Do you think that's Next Gen?? Simply touching-up on an Old Gen Engine, just releasing a PES6 with a few more Player Attributes and better Graphics?? That in my opinion is unacceptable.

I guess, I'm just one of those persons who does NOT likes to waste his money (and TIME) on the same game year after year.

It's time for Konami to stop relying on PAST glories -and- start working on a Next Gen Engine to set the standards for Next Gen Football Sims.

 

[PESAM411]

Sadly, I Dont think think they will return to the PES5/PES6 days, it was only little things that made 5&6 more fun, like being able to choose wether you players have thier shirt untucked, or neck warmers, generally the editing was poor on PES 2008 for PS3,Xbox and PC. Not taking anything away from 2008, because the gameplay (i thought) was great, it was less "robotic" than the previous games and obviously the look and feel to the game were much "nicer". But unfortunatly, with all the XBOX 360's and PS3's being a "Next-Gen" gaming console and all the other publishers and brands making thier games, PES has to keep up.

thanks for the topic
PESAM411
(im gonna go play PES)

 

[shaun7]

^It's true. But I still have faith in Konami. I want pes 5/6 gameplay and edit + pes 2008 dribble moves and less robotic movements.

 

[kryptic27]

Yeah, so it would seem from many perspectives -but- the truth is that PES4, PES5, and PES6 -still- have a long way to go to be described as "near perfection in simulating real football".

The reality is that it isn't even near "Perfection", poor off-the-ball movement, a passing system that haves many things to improve, the players still feel connected (linked) to the ball in the wrong way, the Trapping (receiving, first-touch) of the ball is sometimes laughable, the Defensive Positioning is also laughable, the Dribbling system (and Controls) needs to be elaborated on, etc, etc, etc..

PES has never been near perfection (and FIFA isn't even worth mentioning) -and- it should change (improve, evolve), New Player Attributes should be introduced to future versions of the series, New Dribbling Features should be introduced, New Finishing Options, etc, etc.. The game haves plenty of room to improve.

So what's the Bottom Line?? well, I think this year Konami haves it very easy -because- PES 2008 was so bad, that anything playable (and finished) will be welcomed.

However, you are completely ignoring the FACT, that; PES4, PES5, and PES6 where PS2 games. We have been playing that game since 2004, the same exact game. Now, do you think it's fair to build-up on that in the PS3??

Do you think that's Next Gen?? Simply touching-up on an Old Gen Engine, just releasing a PES6 with a few more Player Attributes and better Graphics?? That in my opinion is unacceptable.

I guess, I'm just one of those persons who don't likes to waste his money on the same game year after year.

i suppose ur right maybe near perfect is a bit too strong of a phrase but im looking at it from a game point of view obviously a football game could never exactly replicate real football it would be impossible there wud be just too much to put in but pes is the closest to replicating the real thing so from a game standard it was very high.

i didnt mean simply touching up, if u look at wot i posted i wrote a bunch of stuff they could add, anyways wot i was saying was keep that same foundation and build around it and fix all of those issues you say about passing and stuff you even said it yourself that certain things need to be ELABORATED on an basically thats wot im saying elaborate on the gameplay dont completley change it like pes 2008 did. and if fifa isnt a good enough example lets take metal gear solid 4 (i know its a totally different genre of game to pes but jus hear me out), when playing mgs4 it still feels and plays like a metal gear solid game should by crawling, hiding behind walls, sneaking around etc. the reason why metal gear solid 4 is so good is because they've ELABORATED on the previous titles game mechanics to create this one, with mgs4 they gave snake more moves and actions, made the environments bigger with space to roam around, different camera angles, improved the enemy A.I., customizable weapons and suits, an online game, stunning graphics and more and by doing this it got a 10/10 from most rewiers and deservably so. and your saying building on a good foundation dusnt work, well as we all saw with mgs4 it works when you do it correctly and thats the direction pes needs to be heading in.

 

[Amateur]

i suppose ur right maybe near perfect is a bit too strong of a phrase but im looking at it from a game point of view obviously a football game could never exactly replicate real football it would be impossible there wud be just too much to put in but pes is the closest to replicating the real thing so from a game standard it was very high.

i didnt mean simply touching up, if u look at wot i posted i wrote a bunch of stuff they could add, anyways wot i was saying was keep that same foundation and build around it and fix all of those issues you say about passing and stuff you even said it yourself that certain things need to be ELABORATED on an basically thats wot im saying elaborate on the gameplay dont completley change it like pes 2008 did. and if fifa isnt a good enough example lets take metal gear solid 4 (i know its a totally different genre of game to pes but jus hear me out), when playing mgs4 it still feels and plays like a metal gear solid game should by crawling, hiding behind walls, sneaking around etc. the reason why metal gear solid 4 is so good is because they've ELABORATED on the previous titles game mechanics to create this one, with mgs4 they gave snake more moves and actions, made the environments bigger with space to roam around, different camera angles, improved the enemy A.I., customizable weapons and suits, an online game, stunning graphics and more and by doing this it got a 10/10 from most rewiers and deservably so. and your saying building on a good foundation dusnt work, well as we all saw with mgs4 it works when you do it correctly and thats the direction pes needs to be heading in.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your point.. But "Metal Gear Solid 4" took more than ONE YEAR to produce, they had time to get it all right and finished.

On the other hand, Konami's PES is a completely different case -because- they have already elaborated on their game; PES5 was an elaboration on PES4 -and- PES6 elaborated (yet again) on PES5.

Now, what I'm trying to say is that Konami should change the game, work on a New Engine, a Next Gen Engine -and- then elaborate on a better Foundation.

Konami should take a hard long look at the things they still haven't properly implemented into the game; off-the-ball Stats (and Controls), first-touch Stats (and Controls), and on-the-ball Stats (and Controls).

They (Konami) should also look at all those "Trademark Dribbling Moves" that they have never managed to include before; Flicking the ball over an opponent and getting past him by doing so, cutting the ball, double cuts, combination of simple moves (drag back + cut, cut + 180º turn, drag-back + nutmeg), etc, etc..

Konami can NOW add more depth and substance to "Dribbling" (and Defending) -instead- of the straight forward (one-dimensional) running with the ball and cutting.

Maybe take 2 years instead of just one -and- then release a truly Revolutionary Football Sim, something we haven't seen before, something new, something better.

And then, they can just elaborate on that Next Gen Foundation.

 

[kryptic27]

Don't get me wrong, I understand your point.. But "Metal Gear Solid 4" took more than ONE YEAR to produce, they had time to get it all right and finished.

On the other hand, Konami's PES is a completely different case -because- they have already elaborated on their game; PES5 was an elaboration on PES4 -and- PES6 elaborated (yet again) on PES5.

Now, what I'm trying to say is that Konami should change the game, work on a New Engine, a Next Gen Engine -and- then elaborate on a better Foundation.

Konami should take a hard long look at the things they still haven't properly implemented into the game; off-the-ball Stats (and Controls), first-touch Stats (and Controls), and on-the-ball Stats (and Controls).

They (Konami) should also look at all those "Trademark Dribbling Moves" that they have never managed to include before; Flicking the ball over an opponent and getting past him by doing so, cutting the ball, double cuts, combination of simple moves (drag back + cut, cut + 180º turn, drag-back + nutmeg), etc, etc..

Konami can NOW add more depth and substance to "Dribbling" (and Defending) -instead- of the straight forward (one-dimensional) running with the ball and cutting.

Maybe take 2 years instead of just one -and- then release a truly Revolutionary Football Sim, something we haven't seen before, something new, something better.

And then, they can just elaborate on that Next Gen Foundation.

mmm.. your probably right, u make a very good point, i think im jus frustrated at pes 2008 and how bad it is and i jus want a good football game to play thats y im ramblin on lol. ok i guess u won that debate lool. anywayz jus going back to ur point about flicks and tricks n stuff konami should start using motion capture like fifa to get all the better palyer movements and flicks and tricks in the game i mean thats if konami dont already use motion capture im sure they dont if they do then it must be a pretty crap one coz in pes 2008 the players run like they need the toilet.

 

[Whoa09]

I think that diving option is a stupid one and a waste of a button cause that button could be used for something more important

 

[Whoa09]

Check this out the cover of fifa 09......

Why do they always put ronaldinho on the cover? Ochoa one of the best goalkeepers in the world!

http://www.mediotiempo.com/noticia/6...de-videojuego/

 

[Whoa09]

Guillermo Ochoa is without a doubt one of the best goalkeepers in the world he was named the 3rd best keeper of the world this year!

Just check this recent save he made on sunday!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBs7zwpo6i0

 

[PESFan92]

Originally Posted by oO SpArKyCFC Oo

PES 2009 - Some Clarification

Right then guys (& gal if she's still about), after the initial leak on tuesday of some juicy info & an interview with "mole", the interpretation of the info has spiraled somewhat across the web so I thought it best to clarify a few things, and consolidate all the info we have so far into 1 post. No one expected the news to spread so quickly that within 24 hours the whole online PES world had the interview, most featured on their frontpages. Had i have known that, we'd have tidied up the forum, locked up Jamie & i'd have used the spellchecker before posting it perhaps even put a bit more thought into the questions

Winning Eleven Next-Gen Blog have brought their podcast in early this week and although it is 45 minutes! :shock: i was shocked at how quickly it went by, it was a good listen and worth it if you've got some time spare, as long as you can excuse the over enthusiasm in their voices Click Here to download it. They cover almost everything i have mentioned, and go a little further on some of it, which mole has also confirmed so they are speaking the truth & if anything this should bring more credibility to this info.

There are however moments in this podcast where moles comments are brought into question, but to be honest, it's more a result of misunderstanding rather than incorrect info & the guys over there acknowledge that. It seems to have stemmed from the very first question where i asked about the gameplay. The reply was "The gameplay is PES2008, the way it should have been". The question was asking whether it was closer to PES6 or 2008, so he answered 2008, but with all the things that are wrong with it, put right. This is a very broad statement and i'm shocked at the number of people who read it as "a repaired version of pes2008". Further down the interview he says that the shooting is totally different, and you can no longer run past players with players like Messi, hardly the mark of "a repaired version of pes2008".... He has also told me that the through ball system is also quite different. The point he was trying to make was that it is NOT a new game engine, as some were expecting, it is instead 2008 but with all the bad features improved, like the ease of scoring, poor accuracy of through balls, running through whole teams with 1 talented player. He has also since mentioned that it does run slower than 2008 & that the infamous RT shot now invariably floats into the keepers arms. There is a whole section in the podcast relating to how mole thinks the graphics are the best he's seen in a sports game, but the truth is he never said that at all. He said they were similar ffs, but that the lighting effects were the best he'd seen, not the graphics on a whole, and again this is just his oppinion, + he hasn't seen fifa09.

The guys over on WENB are under embargo on a lot of things so are not allowed to put stuff in writing, but i have signed fuck all so I will attempt to colate the things revealed so far.

The game features fully licensed clubs with kits & club names from Spain, France, Holland & Italy. The game features non licensed clubs from England as usual with the exception of Liverpool & Man Utd who are fully licensed. Carlsberg does not feature on the liverpool shirt. Now the only thing here that should be noted is that although the spanish league has fully licensed clubs, the league itself is not licensed. Meaning it will be called Spanish Division or something, rather than La Liga.

Bayern Munich are no longer in the game. They have been replaced by Zenith St Petersburg, exactly what it says on the tin really.

Adam (in the podcast) touches on a new control system for manual passes in 2009 on the podcast, and later last night let the cat out of the bag on the WENB forum, so i'll just clarify here for u PELL UK'ers who probably haven't been arsed to go over there to look. Manual passes no longer require you to click the right analogue stick to make them, u simply point the right analogue stick in the direction u want to pass and it does. Hold it for longer and it's harder. Simple? yes, a fantastic alteration in my oppinion. But what about tricks I hear you asking... well, all you do is hold down RT and your normal analogue stick (or D-pad if ur xquis1te) turns into a tricks stick, much like the right stick is normally in 2008. Superb!!

Become a Legend Mode, or a total knock-off of FIFAs "be a pro". You start off with a trial match you dont get to see your personal stats until after this match. The better you play, the better your stats are to start off with. After the trial game you get offers from various clubs & once you join you play for the reserves in training against the first team to see if u can force your way in. Really really good idea & a bit of a variation on FIFA's offering, I think it could be the way forward. Obviously from there you begin your career, the better you play the better your stats become.

Online Play. There is no confirmed info from me for online play. There is a strong rumour for 7vs7, but this is far from confirmed. Playing master league teams online is also not 100% confirmed, but they can be used outside of the master league just like on 2008 so for them not to be able to be played online would be completely illogical & stupid on konamis part.

Wembley has been added to the stadiums list, and looks awesome!! Anfield & Old Trafford are NOT in it, despite moles speculation that they might be.
Recently used teams. Something that was announced last tuesday but didn't get picked up on was the addition of a "recently used teams" section on the team select screen. Does exactly what it says on the tin really. Is a useful option in my oppinion

Champions League. Is it in is it not? Lots of people seem awfully convinced it will be in there, and from what i'm told they have good reason to be. However mole confirmed that so far there is no sign of champions league at all in the code of 2009 they have. It has been suggested that it could be incorporated into the master league. If this is the case, then it would feature in season 2, which mole has not reached so cannot confirm or deny this. It could also be added in later code, COULD being quite a weak word in his oppinion.

Team Editor. This is where myself and mole have let you down slightly. We have no real interest in the editor in 2008 or 2009. I asked him about it, and he said, "looks pretty much the same as before", now when this was questioned by others in the know he's looked into it more and there are a few additions. This says it all really "i hardly looked at the editor. Bored me to be honest." & i personally agree with that statement. There are additionally licensed boots and balls along with a fuck load of shirt options for all u editing bods to drool over.

There is an option to import chants into the game in the form of mp3 files, these can then be asigned to specific clubs. WEBN seem to think this is unique to the playstation versions of the game, which could well be the case. How exactly you get a file to sound like a crowd chant i have no idea, but i would imagine there will be an array of different files available once all the option file editing goons get their hands on it.

So far NO pictures or Youtube videos posted of the menus are authentic.

There have been no "slowdown" or "framerate" issues reported from anyone who has played the game. & online is running spot-on.

Master League appears not to have been altered at all. Colours and fonts etc have been altered to match the new interface, but the general menu layout etc at first glance would appear the same.

The key thing that mole has been impressed with is the collision detection. Gone are the days where you make a perfect sliding tackle that gets the ball then the man, only for it to be called back for a free kick & yellow card. The physics just work.. for once.

So there you go, everything that has been leaked so far, that I stand by & believe in, in 1 thread. We have an improved PES, a working online, improved gameplay, a new fascinating game mode & the simply scrumptious possibility of more than 1vs1 online!!!! How can this not be great news??

With all this in mind, Season 5 for PELL UK will truely be the best yet with the board drawing on experiances during seasons 3 & 4, & building on them to produce the best format yet, messy forum or not, Total Football Management is here to stay!!

Bring on October!!!

Got from another Thread. The bits in bold that I've highlighted are things that are promising. Sounds better tbh. The bit about importing chants as an MP3 file and assigning it to a club sounds promising and who knows maybe if they use it right, its a step foward for PES.

 

[shaun7]

^I hope that's really true. Wow importing chants is awesome.

 

[Rkid005uk]

Im still playing PES2008, i agree its the worst PES to date, but its still the best football sim on the market! Not including previous PES games.

It would be nice to have some news soon about PES2009 im sick to the back teeth of reading pointless threads about what people want.

 

[PESFan92]

Im still playing PES2008, i agree its the worst PES to date, but its still the best football sim on the market! Not including previous PES games.

It would be nice to have some news soon about PES2009 im sick to the back teeth of reading pointless threads about what people want.

Some stuff in the qoute i posted above are true. Like Wembely Shit loads of shirt desings, license boots, import chants. become a legend. etc etc.

 

[Whoa09]

I dont know if it will return to its glorious heights check this new fifa 09 pic

http://bp0.blogger.com/_vffBWzB_25Y...AI8/v4EoRoSL6k0/s1600-h/FIFA360_7[210906].jpg

 

[Punzz]

That info is promising until you read the Master league hasn't changed at all. I doubt 'improved' gameplay by itself will keep me entertained that much as i wont be playing ML. Theres no mention of improved AI what so ever too

 

[proevofan88]

what do ppl mean by when they say that PROEVO 2008 is the worst pro evo entry....do you mean u still prefer the old ones or that this one is just not big enough of an improvement over the old ones? B/c i really dont see how anyone can say that any other proevo is better then this one....maybe u guys just play ppl that suck or u play it at a low difficulty idk.....me and my freinds when we play scores never to be more then 2-0 or 1-0 or 1-1.....we are all good at defense

 

[Punzz]

Play an exhibition match with 2 good teams on Red morale. More often than not 4+ goals are scored in a game. The highest goal scoring game I ever had was 6-4 I think on 10 minutes + extra time

 

[S-D-P]

Im still playing PES2008, i agree its the worst PES to date, but its still the best football sim on the market! Not including previous PES games.

It would be nice to have some news soon about PES2009 im sick to the back teeth of reading pointless threads about what people want.

dont want to bring up this old argument but it cant be helped. pes 08 on ps2 or fifa 08 on 360 are embarrassingly better than next gen pes. I am fully confident pes will once again take over my life again this october, the more i here about the gameplay the more confident i am.

 

[shaun7]

^Me too. the more I hear the more I want to play it. Boots, chants, new licences better gameplay. Wow it sounds awesome.