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Winning Eleven 10: PES 2010 without the bugs?

ykl

Registered User
Profesional analyzer in pesgaming

QUOTE BY=OCKRASS;1582901]Dude...:no:

I hope you know that with a game with such intensity, fast animations and the fact that each game plays differently ....it would be very very very hard to only notice " just slight better" improvements. :blush:

Further more....if passing, ball passing freedom, animations, referree and online has remained unchanged .....then

Goalkeepers and player response are only "just slightly better" ...WTF are you saying here? :realmad:

To do a valid comparison ...one would have to compare both titles side by side on the same consoles with same screens and settings. Same teams ...then realistically look for differences. If you can only find "slightly better" changes ...chances are there are none.

You stated you sold PES and picked up WE so your comparison is only based on your last memorized game experience with PES and not a side by side comparison. This is why you cannot even tell if the AI is different. You need to have the two products available at the same time to do any comparison with some integrity.

I do hope your job does not entail evaluating products.

Boss: " YKL..so you think we should invest heavily in this product that is similar to ours ?"

YKL: "...Yes sir."

Boss:" ...and why is that?"

YKL: "Well sir ...I used it and have seen only slightly better performances..but..."

Boss: WTF! Who hired this idiot :realmad:"

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REPLY TO MR.OCKRASS



It seems we have a well analyzer in our lovely website.....he came here give zero constructive opinion and post naught opinion on this website...hopefully this will be the my last reply post to this childish gamer....


1.You complaint why we should spent $70 to the same product?
Ans: I beg you pardon, did myself post or write something here saying that we2010 is worth to buy?????

2. Comparison product by product at the same time?
Ans: even you have both tittle on your desk i'm10000% u can't do what you said here...is just nonsense at all. Do you think you able to play both game or hold two controller at once?....no way...you also need to hold the first controller for pes2010 and put it down ...then take another controller for we2010...then is samething...you just able to compare last memorized game experience .Another main point i don't think your home have 2 ps3 console ...then how can you play the both titles at the same time....ha....make me laugh,,ha..ha...but sorry mate...

3. pes2010 sold then picked we2010 title?
ans:i forgot to tell you...my pes copy was sold after few days my we2010 arrived at my home and i still have time to do the comparison based on last memorized game experience. i'm not a child...i will make sure which tittle more better..then i will decide to sell the bad one...i'm sure most of them who bought the we 2010 will do the the comparison before decide which title should stay at your home.....

4.
I hope you know that with a game with such intensity, fast animations and the fact that each game plays differently ....it would be very very very hard to only notice " just slight better" improvements. :blush:

Ans: I'm very sorry about this...i'm not the game reviewer or magazine gamer analyzer like you bro..,..,,very hard to notice...then can you please tell me and all the pes fans in more detail how we can noticeble for the different? in percentage? frame rate?...per second? After the DLC patch a lot of gamer feel the game more smoothly and slightly slower..without any proof...because of all us are idiot...do you agree?....then could you please specify or proof to us it was no ZERO% changes after the patch....nah don't you tell us you feel nothing after the patch...please show some statistic in PHOTO OR VIDEO to proof the game have no differences since you have both titles..rite?? you wont say something based on feeling... WAIT FOR YOUR FULL DETAIL ..REPLY....cheers..( ESPECIALLY SHOW THE GRAPHIC TO US IF YOU MENTIONED ZERO DIFFERENCES IN BOTH TITTLE) but i guess you will failed, I'm wonder you have both title...since you joined pes website in year 2004, but only have 8 post....then i don't think you are the regular pes gamer.

We can see a lot of argue on this site. But all of us love pes or we as well. What we are saying here ..is just want to share with all the pes fan. no matter agree or disagree.

I would saying that my related post might influence other to buy the we2010. But i didn't mentioned it was worth to but it. That's why i posted my feeling and opinion based on last memorized game experience( not analysis or comparison at the same time) so that other pes notice what is the different in both tittle.

Sorry for my poor english..since i'm Chinese guy...english not my first language....but i'm really wonder """"mrOCKRASS"" are you from europe???? why you keep saying the words of ""dude"" do you really know what is meaning of ""dude"" is stand for playboy....what a shame....if English is your native language....
 

Itasurf

Registered User
OCKRASS, I think most people are saying that the gameplay change have come within the 1.03 patch and not the DLC. I feel that the game has changed since day one, but I can´t really say it´s for sure that the patch did change anything really. For ex, I´m in my 4th season in ML and in the last 10 games I have been loosing almost everygame, I even lost a game 0x4, wich is a rare thing. I play in Top Player and usually don´t have much trouble beating the AI since they never attack. But for some reason lately the game has changed very much and the AI is shooting from all distances and making plays I´ve never seen. Now I´m really enjoying the game cause I´m being challenged, don´t know if this will keep happening. This game plays every game differently so can´t tell if something has really changed or it´s just the game playing harder at the end of the season. Anyway, the patch only changed the games exe file, wich is encrypted, so can´t really tell if there´s something there that would make the game change. Maybe someone could help us on this one.
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Sorry for my poor english..since i'm Chinese guy...english not my first language....but i'm really wonder """"mrOCKRASS"" are you from europe???? why you keep saying the words of ""dude"" do you really know what is meaning of ""dude"" is stand for playboy....what a shame....if English is your native language....

DUDE;
1. Informal. An Easterner or city person who vacations on a ranch in the West.
2. Informal. A man who is very fancy or sharp in dress and demeanor.
3. Slang. a) A man; a fellow. b) dudes; Persons of either sex.

tr.v., dud·ed, dud·ing, dudes.
Slang. To dress elaborately or flamboyantly: got all duded up for the show.

interj. Slang
Used to express approval, satisfaction, or congratulations.


Seriously, I thought chinese schools was so great and that China would be totally world dominating in a few years because of their great education... English is not my first language either by the way.

Anyhow, Ockrass has a good point. I've recently played WE myself, and it's not different from PES2010. The differences you notice are the same as when you tune down PES2010 to around 60 FPS by using the game speeder in Kitserver. Ofcourse the Superstar difficulty is available in WE, but you can activate it on PES2010 by editing a single file. or download it from GCW!! (LINK HERE)

WE is not more polished, animations are the same, the only two differences are game speed and Superstar difficulty that can both be fixed in PES2010.


PS. You....should really try to.... stop using....puncations....you know, ...all the time...
 

chiesa

Registered User
The Super Star level and the gamespeed are good enough reasons for me to think WE is better than PES. I don't claim it's a perfect game, it's not, but for me the Super Star level alone makes it a superior game. It's not possible to patch The Superstar level to the PS3 version of PES, unless Konami do it.
It's possible I suppose that I feel differences in gamespeed and fluidity from playing on Super Star, because the CPU plays a better game, (and it is a definite difference in the game for the better compared to PES) but even if thats so, thats good enough for me
 

y2kshin

Registered User
so many player so many different opinion,each person give slightly different opinions for we2010,but all are saying we2010 is better than pes2010..
Maybe we should give everyone know which console we are playing and what camera view we are using.
I honestly review we2010 based on ps3 version and using long camera view.

And for everyone that is saying there is improvement after patch,I think we should specify which console we are using and which title we are using..beside that I got theory why they feel improvement,

1.before patch they are playing pes2010,then they buy we2010 just before the patch 2 or 3 days before, and we know from the ps2 days when we play new pes title,we always feel different to play for 2 or 3 days before getting used to it.then suddenly the patch come, and voila there is improvement in gameplay.

2.the shoes got stats, that make a little cahnge to the player stat.

3.colour of the shoes, in ps2 days,I remember always changing ronaldo shoes, and it feel different when controlling ronaldo with red or blue or other colour shoes.

4.different patform consoles.

That is my theory,just giving a little theory :) .hope everybody like it :)

and one thing again about the referee,I think there is getting worse. The referee not punish the cpu but often punish the player.oh please konami,fix the referee..

Thanks everyone for reading...
 

Sabatasso

Banned
The Super Star level and the gamespeed are good enough reasons for me to think WE is better than PES. I don't claim it's a perfect game, it's not, but for me the Super Star level alone makes it a superior game. It's not possible to patch The Superstar level to the PS3 version of PES, unless Konami do it.
It's possible I suppose that I feel differences in gamespeed and fluidity from playing on Super Star, because the CPU plays a better game, (and it is a definite difference in the game for the better compared to PES) but even if thats so, thats good enough for me

As far as I know, WE is only for consoles, am I right?
Anyway, if that's the case, that alone is a reason to stay away imho.
Consoles are the reason gaming industry went sour and a good reason why so many potentially good games get published as rubbish.

A game made for PC is hard to port to consoles, because PC's are
much more sophisticated and complex and a game made for PC is better in every aspect from graphics to physics 99% of the time.
But you can't easily port a game from PC to console, so they do it the other way around, wich means that all games are much weaker than their potential.

That's why i hate consoles, and I will never buy a single game for my "software hacked XBOX360."

so many player so many different opinion,each person give slightly different opinions for we2010,but all are saying we2010 is better than pes2010..
Maybe we should give everyone know which console we are playing and what camera view we are using.
I honestly review we2010 based on ps3 version and using long camera view.

And for everyone that is saying there is improvement after patch,I think we should specify which console we are using and which title we are using..beside that I got theory why they feel improvement,

1.before patch they are playing pes2010,then they buy we2010 just before the patch 2 or 3 days before, and we know from the ps2 days when we play new pes title,we always feel different to play for 2 or 3 days before getting used to it.then suddenly the patch come, and voila there is improvement in gameplay.

2.the shoes got stats, that make a little cahnge to the player stat.

3.colour of the shoes, in ps2 days,I remember always changing ronaldo shoes, and it feel different when controlling ronaldo with red or blue or other colour shoes.

4.different patform consoles.

That is my theory,just giving a little theory :) .hope everybody like it :)

and one thing again about the referee,I think there is getting worse. The referee not punish the cpu but often punish the player.oh please konami,fix the referee..

Thanks everyone for reading...

Seriously, there are no differences between WE and PES 2010.
After doing the modifications I mentioned above to my PES2010 they are exactly the same. I have compared WE on XBOX360 to PES2010 PC version, playing alongside, both against CPU and my brother in law 15-20 matches against both. They both suffer from the same lame issues infact. Superstar and Top Player adds too much AI cheating, and it also enables "Defender catch up", so Lennon will be outrun by Gary Neville on a regular basis on those difficulties. Unacceptable in other words.
 

chiesa

Registered User
^^ I find the opposite is true with Super Star level imo. The CPU doesn't resort to easy cheats like hacking you down and getting away with it as much as in the other levels, nor it seems do they gang up on you with a bunch of players. They just play a better game of football. Personally I find it a far more enjoyable gaming experience playing on Superstar level than on Top Player in PES, but each to their own I guess.
The defender catch up. I haven't noticed it so much tbh, probably coz I've gotten used to it from PES, not that thats ideal! It doesn't majorly bug me in WE or PES. Although it is unrealistic when a donkey defender outsprints your quicker attacker!
You say your PES is exactly the same as WE after doing modifications, but WE doesn't need these modifications, it plays like that straight out of the box.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
你好YKL你怎麼做?

Wow, that was a lot.

Hey i am not trying to start an argument here, I am only saying that i disagree that WE 2010 has enough improvements for anyone to buy the title.

To answer a couple of your questions though.
It is possible to play PES on two separate PS3 consoles at the same time also Xbox360.
It is possible to compare the games side by side by recording the game directly from your tv.

The DLC (down loaded content) is different from a patch. DLC only add items to the game such as boots and balls. So if you noticed smoother gameplay from the DLC could you be called an idiot...?

I acknowledge that we share our opinions here and anyone can agree or disagree. I disagree that WE2010 is better than PES2010.

Dude...I am not from Europe. I was born in Jamaica and migrated to the US a over 15 yrs ago. Not everyone here is from Europe. I hope you know that.

Dude = Playboy .....then that i am ....dude
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
OCKRASS, I think most people are saying that the gameplay change have come within the 1.03 patch and not the DLC. I feel that the game has changed since day one, but I can´t really say it´s for sure that the patch did change anything really. For ex, I´m in my 4th season in ML and in the last 10 games I have been loosing almost everygame, I even lost a game 0x4, wich is a rare thing. I play in Top Player and usually don´t have much trouble beating the AI since they never attack. But for some reason lately the game has changed very much and the AI is shooting from all distances and making plays I´ve never seen. Now I´m really enjoying the game cause I´m being challenged, don´t know if this will keep happening. This game plays every game differently so can´t tell if something has really changed or it´s just the game playing harder at the end of the season. Anyway, the patch only changed the games exe file, wich is encrypted, so can´t really tell if there´s something there that would make the game change. Maybe someone could help us on this one.


I agree with you 100%!

The patch should have changed the gameplay but if it did it was only minimal. Each game plays differently and thats the point i am making, if the gameplay was changed users should not have different views on the game, everyone should be able to feel and see them. Konami has kept quiet on the patch so neither of us (including myself) can say what changes if any was made.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
DUDE;
1. Informal. An Easterner or city person who vacations on a ranch in the West.
2. Informal. A man who is very fancy or sharp in dress and demeanor.
3. Slang. a) A man; a fellow. b) dudes; Persons of either sex.

tr.v., dud·ed, dud·ing, dudes.
Slang. To dress elaborately or flamboyantly: got all duded up for the show.

interj. Slang
Used to express approval, satisfaction, or congratulations.


Seriously, I thought chinese schools was so great and that China would be totally world dominating in a few years because of their great education... English is not my first language either by the way.

Anyhow, Ockrass has a good point. I've recently played WE myself, and it's not different from PES2010. The differences you notice are the same as when you tune down PES2010 to around 60 FPS by using the game speeder in Kitserver. Ofcourse the Superstar difficulty is available in WE, but you can activate it on PES2010 by editing a single file. or download it from GCW!! (LINK HERE)

WE is not more polished, animations are the same, the only two differences are game speed and Superstar difficulty that can both be fixed in PES2010.


PS. You....should really try to.... stop using....puncations....you know, ...all the time...

;)

Thanks for sharing your opinion too. I thought it was important that others who have tried both games share their opinion so that ppl can decide if the want to shell out more money for the same game.

Thanks for the clarification on the meaning of "Dude' but i think i like YKL's better.....:(

He thinks i am a playboy :w00t
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
^^ I find the opposite is true with Super Star level imo. The CPU doesn't resort to easy cheats like hacking you down and getting away with it as much as in the other levels, nor it seems do they gang up on you with a bunch of players. They just play a better game of football. Personally I find it a far more enjoyable gaming experience playing on Superstar level than on Top Player in PES, but each to their own I guess.
The defender catch up. I haven't noticed it so much tbh, probably coz I've gotten used to it from PES, not that thats ideal! It doesn't majorly bug me in WE or PES. Although it is unrealistic when a donkey defender outsprints your quicker attacker!
You say your PES is exactly the same as WE after doing modifications, but WE doesn't need these modifications, it plays like that straight out of the box.


Hey Chiesa,

You unlike YKL make solid arguments here, the Super Star Level is harder and the AI reacts differently. However, that does not make the game better than PES2010. We still face the blind refs, there is still horrible collisons (running into my own players) animations are exactly the same, gameplay (passing, running) still the same, keepers are morons and online still does not work.

With all of the above in mind, is WE2010 better that PES2010 or should we just stick to what you said.........Super Star Level is harder on WE2010?
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Hello everybody, I have posted this post in pesfan.com, I want to help pesgaming true fans by posting it here, here it is:
for everybody that is true pesfan,i just want to share my experience with we2010 ps3 version,because now i really feel sorry for true pesfan in europe that is playing pes2010, I know the feeling playing pes2010,because before i buy we2010,i also play pes2010 about 1 month.
for real pesfan that is playing pes2010 from iss pro days, i honestly recommend you all to try we2010.
some of true pesfan that already try we2010 and give review is this:
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=75425
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=75257
http://www.pesgaming.com/showthread.php?t=75168
http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread.php?t=226563
from the link above you can see many review about we2010,just read post by post and you will know all is giving good review about we2010.
and for everybody that is still hesitated and not believing, i recommend you all to find the post by that user.you can do it by clicking the user name and find their post,of course you need to register first.
from "find the post by that user",you can also know some people that said negative thing about we2010,is either fifa fanboy or always moaning about konami.
for all true pesfan thanks for reading, happy new year 2010...

Winning Eleven 2010, the greatest football game in earth, thanks konami..


Y2kshin are you the same person as YKL ...if not are you related to Seabass? :lol:

Hey i am just playing....

I value your opinion bro but not everyone is going to agree with what you said. This doesn't mean they are "fifa fanboys" or you should suggest diggin' into ppls profile to find out if they like or dislike Konami.
I am a member of PESFan and you will find that most ppl here are also members of PESFAN. Currently PESFANs most visited and posted forum title is the "Moaning and Groaning Thread" with thousands of users saying the game is broken. Does this mean they are fifa fanboys? should we go looking into their profiles for previous post?

I have a right (just as you do) to say if i like or dislike the game.
I have both titles WE2010 and PES2010 because i believed that WE2010 was better. I am telling others that for me ....both games are the same apart from the Super Star Level in WE2010.

If you have PES2010 ...you have WE2010.
 

y2kshin

Registered User
@ockrass. hi ockrass, for moaning question,I need to clarify,makes it clear..here it is: I am not saying there are fifa fanboy, I agree with them all about pes2010.what I am trying to do is let them know about we2010,so they have chance to try we2010 and get that old days ps2 feeling back.if u read my post before,you will also know that I am also pesfan that is moaning about pes2010.and for other member who said we2010 is better,you also can read their post before,from post by post date to date,you will know how they ask about we2010 until they bought it..and for what I said who are fifa fanboys are people who said bad thing about we2010,not pes2010.that is said negative thing about we2010,and from their post you can see how they said fifa was better game, that is I am sorry to say this,just like you are trying to do now...sorry mate:). very very sorry..
Sorry for my english..one more thing I need to say,my review is based on ps3 version.not pes2010 pc version compare to ps3 version or xbox version.
Thanks everyone..
 

Du 1337

Registered User
PES10 is the best PES out there I think. PES11 will be even better ;)

Lawl, toally not true...

PEs 6 was the best.

PES2010 has lots of bad stuff in it. For starters, the sliding tackles done by CPU wich are 100% fouls aren't called as fouls by the refs, it's retarded. I've been watching replays over and over and there's no ballcontact at all. It also confirmes the no-ball-contact when u for example:
Walk in the box with the ball towards the keeper and get tackled,. U drop like a dead man and get a corner...

If these sort of "bus" are fixed in WE then that is definately a better game than PES.
 

Sabatasso

Banned
Lawl, toally not true...

PEs 6 was the best.

PES2010 has lots of bad stuff in it. For starters, the sliding tackles done by CPU wich are 100% fouls aren't called as fouls by the refs, it's retarded. I've been watching replays over and over and there's no ballcontact at all. It also confirmes the no-ball-contact when u for example:
Walk in the box with the ball towards the keeper and get tackled,. U drop like a dead man and get a corner...

If these sort of "bus" are fixed in WE then that is definately a better game than PES.

Difference of opinion my mate, I agree that PES6 was a great game, but I like PES5 or even PES3 and 4 better than anything released since then.

As for the WE vs PES discussion, seriously... if you own a console, buy WE and if you don't, get PES.... don't go out and buy a damn console to be able to play WE beacuse the difference is, if any, marginal.
 

Adwait

Registered User
Got my copy of WE2010 this past Saturday.
Initial impressions we're good. Selected superstar level.
Started a Champions league friendly, Real vs Barca. They trounced me 4-1! I said, finally, something challenging.
So I started an ML with Real. Opener against Athletico madrid. Lost the derby 3-1!! Was even more impressed.
N that's when things started going downhill. After that the game's suddenly stopped playing. I haven't lost a game since. Been regularly scoring 4-5 in a game n conceding 1 or 2. In the ML game vs barca I scored 6!!

I know for a fact I'm not good at this game. I used to get beat off n on by the top player or 5-6 star mode in previous PES games. That was the beauty of PES.

I hope they fix all of the following in 2011.
1. The speed is still too fast imho.
2. The ref's. Fouls and advantages. Please fix it. I remember playing PES3 n being wow'd by how good the advantage rule got applied. PES 6 was the last game good at it. N enuf has already been said about the ref n fouls.

N the most important
3. AI! I'm sorry but Superstar needs fixing.

I have always loved and defended PES n will continue to do so. But lately I've been thinking of going back to FIFA 2008(I have a frnds Blue ray) for a game or two just to feel something "better".

Please fix PES. I love it dearly.
 
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