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Well I think the hype train just ground to a halt boys...

I’m sure I’m gonna get completely shot down for this, but I just watched the 720p video in those links and the game looks terrible. It’s PES2010 with some tweaks. I really don’t know where to start at how disappointing this game looks.

Okay, here goes (and cue the abuse)

- Sound. It sounds awful. Tinny sounding crowds, repetitive chants, awful shrill whistle from previous editions is STILL there. I mean seriously, how can they keep the same sound design, it was terrible in PES2010 etc.

- Animations. Again, these look AWFUL. Players don’t move like real people, they kick the ball in a strange manner, Messi on several occasions glides across the pitch like he’s hovering above it. Messi is travelling so much faster than the defenders around him that his legs don’t even keep the same speed that he’s travelling. Players seem to again move in a robotic way, and when they kick the ball, their stance is all wrong, their foot sometimes doesn’t even look like it comes into contact with the ball, and look looks wrong. Check out Kuyt’s penalty, what kind of kicking action is that?

- Physics. The ball doesn’t move realistically. It barely bobbles. One clip shows a Germany player latching onto a lofted through ball, and he brought the ball down and under immediate control with no bouncing, nothing. And when players dribble with the ball, it looks horrific. The player will tap the ball in front of him, then it almost ’snaps’ back onto his foot like it’s tied to a rubber band. Utterly awful. And again, I cannot believe how the hype has had us all thinking the game will play differently when the first proper extended gameplay clip shows Messi able to turn and dribble past half the team, travelling stupidly fast and drilling it into the net.

- Goalkeepers. Check out the Portugal goal near the very end of the video. The player somehow dribbles through the defence thanks to the fact that the ball is tied to his foot (again, no bobbling or proper ball physics). BUT, he manages to dribble into the six yard box before the keeper seems to even realise the ball is there, and the guy pumps the ball into a near empty net.

I really want to think this game will signal my old love of PES but this just looks robotic, dependant on fast players, and more of the same. Bugger.

http://level7.nu/texter/read.php?id=198007


erik's preview,doesnt sound as positive as the others

We have played PES 2011
Written by 2010-08-04 00: 01: 00 by Erik Hansson
After 15 hours with an almost complete version tells us what we think.
Konami PR team set the bar in February. PES 2011 was allegedly "the biggest change of PES ever". There is hardly a series that is updated annually to live up to such big words. Fans put too much hope and is likely to be disappointed. Now when I played an almost complete version in about 15 hours, I can say that there has been great for mailing rings, but it is also very much that is too similar to last year.




Superficial changes
The superficial changes first. The menus have been a real beauty operation and ensures for the first time in the history of the PES. A row of clear icons at the bottom of the screen that you can quickly browse through. This approach applies to most of the game modes and submenus.
Also the tactics screen has been redesigned and for some stupid reason, Konami decided to let the analog switch control a cursor across the screen to make changes, move around the players on the plan and the like. Also the tactics have been modified and is not quite easy to understand from the beginning. It is possible to set up automatic tactics changes depending on how the game looks and Add instant tactics to button combination Back + A, B, X or Y, It is strongly recommended that you learn to use these to you will be able to influence the game plan.
Nonsense over tactics
One of the things that are not changed sufficiently is bettors ' intelligence when it comes to game without the ball. There can be wide open space for your fellow players to run in, but they refuse to run next to the player with the ball. I try to change tactics and see how they affect the players, but it is not sufficiently reliable. If I choose tokanfall, I would like to see the players rush of surfaces. Do not take a race of 4-5 metres and then hide behind a defender.
Freer fittings with larger requirements
The biggest change in gaming the system is, however, a certain cure for this problem. The free passningarna is a small revolution for the series. Now you can just look in the fittings which way you want and the beauty of it is that it sometimes is very effective to hit balls without address, but which fall into the areas that you can catch up to the opponents. There are more unsuccessful fittings which does not reach to the correct address or is wrong. Sometimes this is annoying and feels overly sensitive, but it becomes much more vibrant.
Each passport must also be balanced by holding down the button for long enough. This means that if you manage and control the bad bad passandet players will show on your plan be disastrous as it will be really happy if you have the correct timing and good players. To strike with butter at genomskärare that opens up defence is easier in the PES in 2011.

The game plan is a little freer with passningarna and ball duels, but there are also a lot to fix for Konami. Judging by what has happened between förtittsversionen and store version of the game during the preceding year, not much changes.




Easier with egenkomponerade manoeuvres
Another thing that is easier to dribbla with good players. It is not easy to sno Ball of a right Back. He has an incredible speed, and also with the Sprint button impression he has the ball close to the body and can make many quick turns or stratagems. You can determine which devices as different combinations with LB and högerspaken will result in, and when it is comfortable with its settings, it is possible to make very good stuff on the floor.
From-2 to + 2
Many annoyed at the speed of its predecessor. It was hysterical quickly in the matches where the attacks. The PES has changed; 2011 It is a little quieter, computer opponents, it takes a bit more cautious with putting pressure on the ball carrier and you can often stay up on the plan and get the second needed to find a gap. This also applies when playing against human resistance. Players are not as good at rush unimpeded with narrow turns and direction changes and a good fitting game can give you the peace and quiet in the middle of the plan.
Would you like to have a quieter tempo can change game speed from the default value of 0 to-1 or-2 to slow down everything that happens on the plane. Would you rather have a high tempo, you can screw it up to + 1 and + 2. Personally I think-2 to + 2 is totally over the top, but you can imagine that some people will make use of + 1 or-1.
Live duels
The battle for the ball has also changed. In PES 2010, it was far too static, but in this year's version can be almost anything happen. Indeed, some rather random and strange situations where player suddenly barely seems to want to have the ball or being removed from the rather simple, but also much more vibrant. In addition, seem to glide body be more efficient in years, which is a huge plus.

This is basically just a Konami PES-team which may have to place a screenshot.




Amended press
The press from the slopes has also changed. You can now hold press-button, but keep the player away from the ball so that he just follows the ball driver. In the right mode, drag lever against him, and with a little luck pressing you the ball. You can still work well with the usual press-tactics even if we have to look a little better at tajmingen and vary between waiting and trying to squeeze a little better.
The worst is a new camera
Unfortunately, there is a lot of things that were not corrected. I think the players sometimes is too tough when it comes to receiving the ball and start the game, the objectives of the guards and frisparkarna is equal time folly sooner, players are a bit too often very stupid and get organized, they have still no grip on the side lines, they react too late when it becomes the case, commentators say still too often errors, and the new bisittaren adds nothing.
The biggest shortcoming of this version of PES in 2011, however, is that the camera has changed and now looks to be handled by praoelever. It happens far too often for quick conversions that are not camera can adequately with the result that we don't really see who gets the ball or how it looks around ball recipient. It should be easy to fix, but I really hope that Konami is savvy enough to fix it before the launch.
Arenas, community, and South America
Other minor matters that may be mentioned if the game is that you now can create stadiums. Select name, pattern in the grass, color, fences and type of stands, the color of the seats, the background environments and type of relief bench. Your creations can then be saved and exported or imported. Community-mode is also included which saves statistics between multiple players on the same console. A Copa Santander Libertadores-mode has also been introduced with the entire 40 South American law.

To take the ball from Volley is not the easiest thing to do. Hopefully, however, not all onlinematcher (most of which will be in Barcelona in Barcelona) is to take the ball to him and let him do the job.




New surface to Master League
The career mode Master League have received some small changes, but most of it is the same again from last year's big update. It is, in fact, the presentation and the graphic that changed most. First impression is that a lot has happened, but it appears only on new, improved, more often than not.
Not the most significant change
Generally, I am somewhat satisfied with the PES in 2011. I like the greater freedom to plan, but it is still quite a lot of strange events that occur on the plane that cannot be explained other than bad programming. I think it's very sad to see that Konami has done more for a lot of matches. To compare the mood PES 2011 with FIFA World Cup 2010 is just embarrassing and their attempt to make a more tv-based camera led only to that one does not always see what happens.
There may still be time for Konami to fix the little things, but it is unfortunately a little too much little quirks that are not ready to PES 2011 will feel like the big change that Konami would have us believe. The biggest change in game series history is still the failed step to this generation of consoles.

kiwanis said:

Well I think the hype train just ground to a halt boys...

I’m sure I’m gonna get completely shot down for this, but I just watched the 720p video in those links and the game looks terrible. It’s PES2010 with some tweaks. I really don’t know where to start at how disappointing this game looks.

Okay, here goes (and cue the abuse)

- Sound. It sounds awful. Tinny sounding crowds, repetitive chants, awful shrill whistle from previous editions is STILL there. I mean seriously, how can they keep the same sound design, it was terrible in PES2010 etc.

- Animations. Again, these look AWFUL. Players don’t move like real people, they kick the ball in a strange manner, Messi on several occasions glides across the pitch like he’s hovering above it. Messi is travelling so much faster than the defenders around him that his legs don’t even keep the same speed that he’s travelling. Players seem to again move in a robotic way, and when they kick the ball, their stance is all wrong, their foot sometimes doesn’t even look like it comes into contact with the ball, and look looks wrong. Check out Kuyt’s penalty, what kind of kicking action is that?

- Physics. The ball doesn’t move realistically. It barely bobbles. One clip shows a Germany player latching onto a lofted through ball, and he brought the ball down and under immediate control with no bouncing, nothing. And when players dribble with the ball, it looks horrific. The player will tap the ball in front of him, then it almost ’snaps’ back onto his foot like it’s tied to a rubber band. Utterly awful. And again, I cannot believe how the hype has had us all thinking the game will play differently when the first proper extended gameplay clip shows Messi able to turn and dribble past half the team, travelling stupidly fast and drilling it into the net.

- Goalkeepers. Check out the Portugal goal near the very end of the video. The player somehow dribbles through the defence thanks to the fact that the ball is tied to his foot (again, no bobbling or proper ball physics). BUT, he manages to dribble into the six yard box before the keeper seems to even realise the ball is there, and the guy pumps the ball into a near empty net.

I really want to think this game will signal my old love of PES but this just looks robotic, dependant on fast players, and more of the same. Bugger.

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I kind of agree with you on the goalkeepers and on the animations but aren´t you overreacting a bit there kiwa? I mean this preview video is simply just really bad
isn´t it Two bad players who look like they might be 3 year old kids the way they play it and the game is deffo played on a low difficulti so we see no challence at all from the AI. For me the animations aren´t that important, it´s the gameplay and the challence that Pes 08,09 and 10 failed to deliver. I´m worried that Pes 2011 will be to easy.
Give me a game with the graphics of Pes 2011 and the challence of Pes 05 and 06 and then I will be fired from my job and dumped by my girlfriend but happy

Another Preview

http://translate.google.com/transla...amer.nl/playstation3/pes2011/impressies/31255

This is something from the Preview I really like

"It's annoying features that I hope they have tackled. But even if that happens, there's plenty to enjoy with PES 2011. The 2011 version gives me that old feeling-Pro Evolution Soccer 6, with no single game is the same. Sometimes humiliate your opponent by 4-0, the game then it dries you off, 3-1. The difference emerges because you sometimes have scores and sometimes your opponent just to succeed at the last minute to run the hole closed. Sometimes you turn away and bites the opponent so that you only for the goalkeeper position, other times the ball simply taken away. Every action, every pass, every shot can make the difference. With a single goal difference keeps you until the end on the edge of your seat. Each attack can have a goal lead "

A swedish guy had the latest code too. He posted a list with all the licensed teams so far.

Premier League
Manchester United, The rest had wrong emblems, Team names and kits.

Ligue 1
All Teams.

Serie A
All Teams.

Eredivisie
All Teams.

Liga BBVA
All Teams except Tenerife, Xerez, Malaga, Osasuna, Sevilla and Real Valladolid which had wrong Emblems, Team names and kits.

Other Teams
Anderlecht, Club Brügge, Dinamo Zagreb, Slavia Praha, Sparta Praha, FC Copenhagen, HJK Helsinki, AEK Athens, Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, Paok FC, Rosenborg, Benfica, SC Braga, FC Porto, Sporting Lissabon, Dinamo Bucuresti, Cluj, Unirea Urziceni, Spartak Moskva, Rubin Kazan, Zenith St Petersburg, Celtic, Rangers, Crvena Zvezda (Red Star Belgrad), AIK, FC Basel, Besiktas, Brascipor, Fenerbahce, Galatasaray, Shakthar Donetsk och Dynamo Kyiv.

Wrong Team and Player names, emblems and kits: Werder Bremer, FC Bayern München och Schalke 04.

Unidentified Club: "Welbenkrahf"

Plus 39 latinoamerican clubs.

does anybody have a link of the latest screenshots? after yesterday i thought we'd be filled with lots of pics and videos. but no :/

I'm a bit dissapointed though that at this point in time that none of the Copa Liberatos teams or players are included in ML

Most of the criticism is just laughable, how can you look at the PES 2011 animations and say that they are rubbish? It's like a lot of fans want to play FIFA Part II.

And what's worst, most of the fans or perhaps ALL the fans who have criticized PES 2011: they have no idea of what needs to improve... all they do is criticize and criticize and when you read the criticism, they have no idea of what they're talking about.

I mean, what do they expect from the animations and how much fluid can the game be?

FIFA in my opinion is so and so fluid, that it actually looks very unrealistic, as football is not that fluid in real life.

Most of the people criticizing PES 2011 are under the delusion that FIFA 2010 is near perfection... LMAO

And again, animations and fluidity, look at FIFA10: fluid feel and good animations, but shit game. With these type of fans, who can only conjure arguments about ''rubbish animations'' even when the animations look very good, who can only conjure arguments about lack of fluidity when you can see that the game is fluid enough, etc, etc, with these type of fans it's better not to look at feedback.

They want FIFA with PES graphics, that's the only thing they want, as far as they are concerned FIFA is near perfection: they have no idea of how the game should improve, since they cannot see how rubbish FIFA is and why FIFA is so rubbish, they don't even know what ''build-up'' play is.

^I completely agree. I mean from the look of things you cannot say that pes 11 has bad animations and isn't fluid because it does have good animations (maybe fifa still has better animations but does it matter ? At least pes 11 now has good animations unlike pes 10).
The people who say that Fifa is the best ever (I do play fifa more often than pes 10 because it has some challenge) are not looking at Fifa's flaws.
Fifa's flaws are more hidden than pes' flaws but guess what? They're there.
I don't want to mention them because anyone who has a good level of knowledge in football can easily notice them.
The fact is that both pes and fifa need serious improvement.

shaun7 said:

^I completely agree. I mean from the look of things you cannot say that pes 11 has bad animations and isn't fluid because it does have good animations (maybe fifa still has better animations but does it matter ? At least pes 11 now has good animations unlike pes 10).
The people who say that Fifa is the best ever (I do play fifa more often than pes 10 because it has some challenge) are not looking at Fifa's flaws.
Fifa's flaws are more hidden than pes' flaws but guess what? They're there.
I don't want to mention them because anyone who has a good level of knowledge in football can easily notice them.
The fact is that both pes and fifa need serious improvement.

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Precisely my point also,

I'm just bored with the FAN-BOY argument about how the game needs better animations and needs to be more fluid; PES 2011 is fluid and has good animations, and they are still complaining about the same thing...

Instead of conjuring all that rubbish, they should just say: I want FIFA10 with PES10 graphics... that's what they want, they should be clear about it instead of repeating the same redundant and subjective argument.

PES10 and FIFA10 are not 100% rubbish because if we consider the core mechanics; how much better can the game be under such a restriction?

This is why animations and fluidity is just a redundant argument at this point, because it does not touches on the outdated core mechanics of the game... it just makes the same thing more fluid and nice looking.

Thus, PES10 and FIFA10 are both outdated, one more automatic and the other more manual; but both revolving around how fast you can exploit the fact that there are no ground rules and no substance to the game.

GROUND RULES and SUBSTANCE, which has absolutely nothing to do with animations or fluidity.

You tell them a FACT and they respond by saying: ''if you are not satisfied you should not buy the game.''

I mean, the level of maturity is sub-par, fan-boys can only process people agreeing with them, if they do not understand something due to their lack of understanding and knowledge: they'll plain out refuse and deny it, and even insult you, but they never provide a single FACT that can sustain their credibility.

It's just stupid at this point, if I was Konami, I would not waste my time reading all the rubbish: it's either too positive or too negative, but they never actually mention anything relevant.

Positive opinion: ''looks like a massive improvement, now I just want a playable online and editable nets''

Negative opinion: ''the game is the same rubbish, robotic animations, you cannot even cross the ball like in FIFA. Konami are so dumb, they want to make the game easier, so that casual fans can play it; FIFA is very far ahead, FIFA 2011 will be the final nail in the coffin''

That's the typical rubbish that you mostly get to read in PESGaming and WENB and PESFan. A bunch of consumers saying OBVIOUS things, and when it's negative, they are under the delusion that their opinion amounts to FACTS.

However, despite that the majority can only produce rubbish and subjective feedback; the FACT remains very simple: PES10 and FIFA10 both revolve around an outdated concept, one more automatic and the other more manual, but both revolving around how fast you can exploit the fact that there are no ground rules and no substance to the game.

How can they make the game better in this respect? This is where the game needs most improvement, and this has nothing to do with animations, fluid feel, referees, goalkeepers, dribbling tricks, manual passing, manual dribbling, manual crossing, etc, etc.

There was some good animations in that video and the option to be able to change the speed of the game is fantastic as there are no longer any worries about the game being to slow or fast, that´s a big thing. Along with other really promising features.
I´m just waiting and hope for a better video of the game. I´v said it before, this video could have been much better if played by a better human player on a high difficulty to show what the gameplay is all about

Amateur said:

Most of the criticism is just laughable, how can you look at the PES 2011 animations and say that they are rubbish? It's like a lot of fans want to play FIFA Part II.

And what's worst, most of the fans or perhaps ALL the fans who have criticized PES 2011: they have no idea of what needs to improve... all they do is criticize and criticize and when you read the criticism, they have no idea of what they're talking about.

I mean, what do they expect from the animations and how much fluid can the game be?

FIFA in my opinion is so and so fluid, that it actually looks very unrealistic, as football is not that fluid in real life.

Most of the people criticizing PES 2011 are under the delusion that FIFA 2010 is near perfection... LMAO

And again, animations and fluidity, look at FIFA10: fluid feel and good animations, but shit game. With these type of fans, who can only conjure arguments about ''rubbish animations'' even when the animations look very good, who can only conjure arguments about lack of fluidity when you can see that the game is fluid enough, etc, etc, with these type of fans it's better not to look at feedback.

They want FIFA with PES graphics, that's the only thing they want, as far as they are concerned FIFA is near perfection: they have no idea of how the game should improve, since they cannot see how rubbish FIFA is and why FIFA is so rubbish, they don't even know what ''build-up'' play is.

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Amen.
that's why i would like KONAMI to stay away from some or most of the fan sites because if they read an listen to most of the crap that is posted we will get a game similar to EA'S.

i don't blame anyone for choosing EA's game because that is a matter of taste but please don't try and convince everyone that its fantastic because people have their own opinions and one EA type footballgame is more then enough if you ask me.

look at what this guy Jimmy G-Force at evo-web had to say about the matter and i completely agree

Fair enough, but what really irks me from a technical standpoint is people that constantly claim that Fifa is the better game of football, with this superior gaming engine. That type of statement is ill-informed and highly uneducated from technical footballing standpoint. That is the statement that I challenge. Fifa has an animation system that is truly mind-blowing, world class in every conceivable area, but it serves to hide some serious flaws in the replication of real life football. The bread and butter stuff that are paramout in replicating the beautiful game are criminally over-looked in favour of polish and shine and impeccable visuals.

1. A varying first touch system is the basis for everything that follows in football, EA never address this.

2. Preferable feet, another massive part of the real game, again,criminally overlooked.

3. Individuality - every player has a unique skill-set made up of many technical aspects of game, this has to replicated and broken down in as many different areas as possible in order to create 11 individual players that collectively make up a completely unique team.

4. Form/Condition/Confidence - Individuality is one thing, but then PES takes that even further and quadruples the variables by adding 4 differing types of form/confidence/condition. Add into the equation the Form numbers added to PES 2010 that range from 1-6 which accurately simulate a players consistency throughout the season, and you have literally infinite individuality from game to game. This is genius. Confidence makes up a very high percentage of a footballers game, you can be one of the worlds greatest players, but without it, you can play like a schoolboy. See Rooney in the World Cup as a perfect example. Fifa doesnt address this, although to be fair, individuality needs to be strongly in place prior.

5. Angles - Football is all about angles and percentages. What I mean by that is you need to be able to create diverse body angles and postures that have a significant bearing on the percentage of accuracy of the consequential outcome of any pass, volley, shot, first touch or header. You simply cannot be facing one direction, be on your weaker foot and expect to reverse a pass or shot with greater degree of accuracy than a player that is posture perfect. Of course player statistics have a massive impact on this, and the higher the technical level of the individual player, the higher percentage that incorrect posture will have a more beneficial outcome. This is missing from Fifa, but again, individuality has to be in place prior in order for this theory to be executed.

I dont have a clue about programming, but when we talk about game engines, for me that means programming that can merge all of the above together to accurately simulate the game of football. In that regard PES does is brilliantly. More importantly, if Konami fall down slightly in any area, that fact that they strive to achieve this end result shows that they have a real understanding of how the game of football works. And as a footballer, you cannot help but appreciate their concept, philosophy and understanding of the mechanics.

There are alot more casual gamers out there looking for a quick fix, than they are people that truly understand footballing technique and can appreciate exactly what Konami have always strived to achieve. Hand on heart, I dont know any professional or semi-professional footballer that doesnt play PES over Fifa for all the reasons I've mentioned about. Joe Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Darren Fletcher, Lee Catermole, Matty Bates, Stu Downing, David Wheater, James Morrison are just a few I've spoken to about PES over the years who are big fans of the series. You can add into the mix players Ashley Cole, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Messi, Fabregas, who I've read that have vocally said in various publications that PES is their game of choice. There isnt any coincidence here, it's just how it is.

I so accept alot of people get alot of enjoyment out of Fifa, and I agree maybe my comment was a little harsh to say the least, but when your passionate about something, fully comprehend the very clever technical recreation of the game that Konami constantly strive to achieve, then these completely inaccurate suggestions and statements, that I know for a fact are just plain wrong, kind of winds me up a bit.

RAMAXWY said:

Amen.
that's why i would like KONAMI to stay away from some or most of the fan sites because if they read an listen to most of the crap that is posted we will get a game similar to EA'S.

i don't blame anyone for choosing EA's game because that is a matter of taste but please don't try and convince everyone that its fantastic because people have their own opinions and one EA type footballgame is more then enough if you ask me.

look at what this guy Jimmy G-Force at evo-web had to say about the matter and i completely agree

Fair enough, but what really irks me from a technical standpoint is people that constantly claim that Fifa is the better game of football, with this superior gaming engine. That type of statement is ill-informed and highly uneducated from technical footballing standpoint. That is the statement that I challenge. Fifa has an animation system that is truly mind-blowing, world class in every conceivable area, but it serves to hide some serious flaws in the replication of real life football. The bread and butter stuff that are paramout in replicating the beautiful game are criminally over-looked in favour of polish and shine and impeccable visuals.

1. A varying first touch system is the basis for everything that follows in football, EA never address this.

2. Preferable feet, another massive part of the real game, again,criminally overlooked.

3. Individuality - every player has a unique skill-set made up of many technical aspects of game, this has to replicated and broken down in as many different areas as possible in order to create 11 individual players that collectively make up a completely unique team.

4. Form/Condition/Confidence - Individuality is one thing, but then PES takes that even further and quadruples the variables by adding 4 differing types of form/confidence/condition. Add into the equation the Form numbers added to PES 2010 that range from 1-6 which accurately simulate a players consistency throughout the season, and you have literally infinite individuality from game to game. This is genius. Confidence makes up a very high percentage of a footballers game, you can be one of the worlds greatest players, but without it, you can play like a schoolboy. See Rooney in the World Cup as a perfect example. Fifa doesnt address this, although to be fair, individuality needs to be strongly in place prior.

5. Angles - Football is all about angles and percentages. What I mean by that is you need to be able to create diverse body angles and postures that have a significant bearing on the percentage of accuracy of the consequential outcome of any pass, volley, shot, first touch or header. You simply cannot be facing one direction, be on your weaker foot and expect to reverse a pass or shot with greater degree of accuracy than a player that is posture perfect. Of course player statistics have a massive impact on this, and the higher the technical level of the individual player, the higher percentage that incorrect posture will have a more beneficial outcome. This is missing from Fifa, but again, individuality has to be in place prior in order for this theory to be executed.

I dont have a clue about programming, but when we talk about game engines, for me that means programming that can merge all of the above together to accurately simulate the game of football. In that regard PES does is brilliantly. More importantly, if Konami fall down slightly in any area, that fact that they strive to achieve this end result shows that they have a real understanding of how the game of football works. And as a footballer, you cannot help but appreciate their concept, philosophy and understanding of the mechanics.

There are alot more casual gamers out there looking for a quick fix, than they are people that truly understand footballing technique and can appreciate exactly what Konami have always strived to achieve. Hand on heart, I dont know any professional or semi-professional footballer that doesnt play PES over Fifa for all the reasons I've mentioned about. Joe Cole, Rio Ferdinand, Darren Fletcher, Lee Catermole, Matty Bates, Stu Downing, David Wheater, James Morrison are just a few I've spoken to about PES over the years who are big fans of the series. You can add into the mix players Ashley Cole, John Terry, Steven Gerrard, Messi, Fabregas, who I've read that have vocally said in various publications that PES is their game of choice. There isnt any coincidence here, it's just how it is.

I so accept alot of people get alot of enjoyment out of Fifa, and I agree maybe my comment was a little harsh to say the least, but when your passionate about something, fully comprehend the very clever technical recreation of the game that Konami constantly strive to achieve, then these completely inaccurate suggestions and statements, that I know for a fact are just plain wrong, kind of winds me up a bit.

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I partly agree with you and with Jimmy G-Force from evo-web,

I get the impression that a lot of people just want FIFA10 with PES10 graphics, at least that's what their comments reflect, as they clearly think FIFA10 is near perfection.

For my part, I just do not see the cleverness of having all this control over passing and crossing the ball when the game itself is an INSUBSTANTIAL goal scoring fest. I do not see any real revolution in FIFA10, just a few manual attachments to the same old ping-pong formula.

PES10 on the other hand, in my opinion, it's more or less identical to FIFA10. I can play both PES10 or FIFA10 without a problem, it's more or less the same identical ping-pong concept...

Although as you mentioned, the player individuality still stands out in PES; but to be honest, the player individuality of PES has not improved that much over the last 4 or 5 years. In my opinion, PES did not evolved correctly.

I mean, I was not trying to defend PES, I was just saying that I'm bored of all these FIFA fans who think their opinion amounts to a FACT: they speak about things, and I just don't see why the things they talk about will make such a great difference.

Take Dopecoil for example, this guy has a good understanding on certain things and regularly leaves comments in the PESGaming home page. However, he has a thing with FIFA and I just don't see the genius of it.

Dopecoil: ''we still have automated crossing mechanics, automated goal kicks, automated heading mechanics and to top it all off, a accentric over elaborate defensive system that know one actually requested as well as a complete dumbing down of the trick system to appeal to casuals.”

If the crossing mechanics were not automated, if heading mechanics were not automated, would this be a big improvement?

It's the same INSUBSTANCIAL ping-pong game at its core... if I have full manual control over crossing or heading the ball, the game will be same old shit at its core, pure and simple.

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Dopecoil:

''Looks and sounds promising but i still get the overiding feeling that pes2011 much like the last three years will be undercooked.

Sure its a improvement but one full of alot of the niggles that should of been corrected by now considering how loudly they have been trumpeted by the community and the competitions game doesnt have any of these.

I fear pes2011 just isnt going to be enough against eas very strong and improved offering this year,and yet again we have more freedom in some areas but the same automations and limitations in others.

I got burned with both pes2010 and blue samuri as there both vastly inferior to both fifa10 and FWC interms of gameplay and completeness,because despite fifa10 and FWC still lacking a quality replay system and horrible player likenesses they,ea,have pretty much nailed the huge amount of variation you get in real football and despite the odd glitch,at least the players move and react to the ball freely and you can manually cross and spot a ball amongst a raft of over small little touches that just shine through in there game.

Its funny a year ago i wouldnt of even considered a ea footie game but now its konami for me that have every thing to prove.

Has pes2011 got to be near perfect,yes,let us not forget ea have a almost technically faultless engine that with personality plus and pro passing is going to be taken to another level bringing with it all the subtleties and nuances that already exist in fifa10 and FWC along with a very arresting animation system that looks gorgeous even against pes2011 and is only going to improve further.

Lots of hype,lots of promise but yet again i dont think pes2011 is going to be quite the sum of its parts,konami are playing catch up and they havent got the resources or staff now to compete or catch ea.

The tables have turned and its now ea who are setting the benchmark while konami are still unable to deliver a game that is anything but half finished with the same fundamental promblems at its core.''
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So, FIFA10 was not undercooked? FIFA10 does not have automations and limitations in some areas? I just do not see the logic in criticizing Konami for something that EA Sports also does with FIFA.

Although he clearly has a good understanding on certain things, I think that Dopecoil just wants what he wants, he just wants an insubstantial video game with manual gimmicks attached to the 15 year old ping-pong formula so that it feels like everything is under your control; in other words, he just wants the gameplay of FIFA10 with PES10 graphics.

I have no problem with that; however I do have a problem when he and other people start talking and preaching about their opinion as if it was a FACT... that's just kind of redundant, even more so considering the obvious flaws that both PES and FIFA have in common.

So what, manual crossing and manual goal kicks and manual heading, will it make much of a difference? they are talking about trivial and redundant things that will only make PES more and more similar to FIFA, we don't really need FIFA Part II.

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/pes-2011-south-park/348317

It´s a interview with some french guy but you can see some gameplay on the TV to the left.

Some of it is really cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeKlXnswyRc

^i notice a similarity between pes2008 and pes2011 in that video.

El_Pupi said:

^i notice a similarity between pes2008 and pes2011 in that video.

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:gunfire: :thud:

El_Pupi said:

^i notice a similarity between pes2008 and pes2011 in that video.

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Nah your just tired after work

im talking about the player's model, theyre body shape. and the glossy look reflected from the screen of the tele, reminds me of pes2008 as a matter of fact it reminds me of pes6 on the xbox360 a bit too.