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Pro Evo 2012 vs FIFA 12

watty1877

1st Team Squad Member
Sorry only just looked at this thread and I have to comment quickly. How in hell does anyone see Sabatasso's statement as racism? It was and is perfectly clear that he means paper / ink. And so agrees the bloke sat right next to me here chuckling to himself about the whole thing... Who is bytheway, black.

Some folks just can't wait to appear 'holier than thou' with PC bullshit.
 

g221911g

Registered User
so i take it thats a no then haha

Yes, that's a no to you asking me out ''''haha''''

Seriously, how stupid are you? I just told you I had a WIFE you complete muppet.

But I guess you enjoy chatting with me so much that you will make up lies just to speak with me. Like you saying I'm off topic all the time, when 99% of my posts are on topic.

Keep going though, it's entertaining to see you reach so hard and fall on your face.
 

markcross

Banned
Yes, that's a no to you asking me out ''''haha''''

Seriously, how stupid are you? I just told you I had a WIFE you complete muppet.

But I guess you enjoy chatting with me so much that you will make up lies just to speak with me. Like you saying I'm off topic when 99% of my posts are on topic.

Keep going though, it's entertaining to see you reach so hard and fall on your face.

sorry to disappoint u m8y but i hav to go out now, i wil most prob end up crushin pussy, u shud try it sometime, make a nice change from sittin on ur pc on a saturday nite bitchin lol, i bet its thrill a minute for ur mrs with u eh hahaha
 

g221911g

Registered User
sorry to disappoint u m8y but i hav to go out now, i wil most prob end up crushin pussy, u shud try it sometime, make a nice change from sittin on ur pc on a saturday nite bitchin lol, i bet its thrill a minute for ur mrs with u eh hahaha

Every post you make is more stupid than the last. I live in California you fucking kermit. Saturday night??? It's 1pm you utter failure. Let me guess, you never knew that the world had different timezones.

And I'm laughing so hard at you 'crushin pussy'. Anybody that talks like that NEVER gets it. Also, I find it funny that you said 'most prob' making it quite clear THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A GIRLFRIEND. (You've given yourself away again, kermit)

But good luck, I hope you lose your virginity (to a girl this time); it might mature you a little.
 

baangus

Registered User
Ink and paper my ass!

Your comment (whatever the intention) clearly states one thing....

I see things in black and white .....black being bad and white being good.
No. Seeing things in black any white is about seeing the world only in terms of extremes. You fail again. Life lesson for you: Trying to cover up your original idiotic comment with yet another moronic statement only shows you're not man enough to admit your first mistake. People see right through that stuff bro and it makes you look like a complete fool, twice over.

I can see how a person with a racist attitude or a persecution complex or maybe just anger management issues might try and turn this into an argument about black = bad, white = good. You telling us that's the case with you?
 

Sabatasso

Banned
This is an interesting statement. I have some genuine questions: So you hate a racism-card-basher more than a racist? (and if this is true) Do you hate people that falsely accuse others of rape MORE than rapists as well? I'm just wondering if this logic applies across the board in your life or if it's something specific to racism. According to that list, the best (worst) a racist could be is third. And looking at the first two on your list, I doubt it's that high. (Maybe I'm just reading too much into an overly dramatic statement?)

I don't really have a rated hate list, and "hate" is a strong word that I don't really like to use. In fact, I think everyone has their own interpretation of the word, and this often leads to misunderstandings. I should have said "strongly dislike" instead, because I don't think I am capable of hatred to be honest.

But I'd like to say in my own defense, that both false accusers and perpetrators are on my "dislike" list.

Honest Question: And what, exactly, is a racism card basher? Is it someone who calls racism when there is none? Or someone who simply calls racism? For that matter, what do you think about people who just throw the term around in an attempt to trivialize legitimate issues?

Good question, have you ever heard the term "Bible basher"?
A racism card basher is someone who sees racism where there is none, and defends their claims with weak analyze, possibly plausible but anyone with a right mind sees that it's bullshit.

Also I thought you used a pretty interesting choice of words for your 'latino' and 'negro' friends. Do you call your friends 'negroes' to their faces? Do you call your 'latino' friends 'morenos'? Because that would be the equal term...Or 'African' if we're referring to 'Latino'.

Wow...too much writing, but like I said, all genuine questions.

I call my friends by their name, usually.
But if I was to describe a crime that I witnessed to the police, I would use the term Negro, or possibly black, if the perpetrator was a black person. I would say Caucasian if he was white. I don't know the equal term for Negroes, really. Brown would probably be a term closer to the truth, but I didn't invent the terminology.

And Mozzy, I hope you're not serious in that statement. You think a white person calling a black person a nigger is in the same context as a black person who says it to another black person?

I can't answer for this guy, but I think all sensibility is gone in that discussion, really. I know there's an unwritten rule amongst Afro Americans that one can call the other "Nigga", but it's not OK for a white person to do so. If they don't like it, they should not say it at all, or embrace it and let it be a "legal" nickname for everyone to use. But I don't really care about that discussion, really, I never really use the term myself.

To me, at least, there is a clear difference between Negro and Nigga.
Also, for me at least, Nigga don't really describe race or color, but a way of dressing and musical taste that is also fairly common among white people. I generally call them "Rappers", or "Yo folks", if I need to describe them in any way.

Do you find it okay to slag off all races because you've heard 'one of them say it to another'? You go around calling Italians guineas and wops?

I've heard a latino call another a spic, but I don't go around using that as a reason to do it myself.

Maybe I would if I thought like that though. Sounds like an excuse to me.

Imagine that, I should just go around calling white people 'pale', or 'cracker' or 'devil' just because I've heard one of them use it. When confronted with an inevitable racism charge, I'll just say they're using the 'race-card' again.

I think I'm starting to see how this works....

I'm not sure how much of the above was aimed at me, but in general I don't really care what people call me, and I really expect the same line of thought in return. Those who know my name generally use it, and I don't really give a shit about the rest. "The long haired dude with a big nose" is a description I've heard quite often aimed at me, and I have a mirror so I know it's pretty close to the truth. So I don't generally think they say I have a big nose to be nasty, but rather to describe me close to the actual truth.

So when I say Negro, or Black, I don't put more into it than skin color to be honest.


Not much PES vs FIFA left in this thread, but it's an interesting discussion anyway. At least now that a few sane people joined in.

No. Seeing things in black any white is about seeing the world only in terms of extremes. You fail again. Life lesson for you: Trying to cover up your original idiotic comment with yet another moronic statement only shows you're not man enough to admit your first mistake. People see right through that stuff bro and it makes you look like a complete fool, twice over.

I can see how a person with a racist attitude or a persecution complex or maybe just anger management issues might try and turn this into an argument about black = bad, white = good. You telling us that's the case with you?

Thank you! You're much better with words than I am, clearly.
 

MozzyEng

Registered User
And Mozzy, I hope you're not serious in that statement. You think a white person calling a black person a nigger is in the same context as a black person who says it to another black person?

Yes m8 i am serious in my statement, Because its a true statement. No one should use the word nigger no matter what the colour of there skin, Blacks certainly should not say nigger to each other, Then decide thats its racist if a white person says it to them. Btw back on topic Fifa is shit!
 

g221911g

Registered User
@Sabatasso. Thanks for replying. That wasn't aimed at anyone. I was just asking honest questions and looking for a bit of clarification. I'm glad that you didn't feel attacked and appreciate your honesty (as if I can tell over the internet, but you know what I mean). I was hoping you wouldn't take it the wrong way.

@Mozzy. Very valid point. Well said.

Back to football
 

markcross

Banned
@Sabatasso. Thanks for replying. That wasn't aimed at anyone. I was just asking honest questions and looking for a bit of clarification. I'm glad that you didn't feel attacked and appreciate your honesty (as if I can tell over the internet, but you know what I mean). I was hoping you wouldn't take it the wrong way.

@Mozzy. Very valid point. Well said.

Back to football

doncha mean sockurrrrr, u yanks make me howl haha
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
To me, at least, there is a clear difference between Negro and Nigga.
Also, for me at least, Nigga don't really describe race or color, but a way of dressing and musical taste that is also fairly common among white people. I generally call them "Rappers", or "Yo folks", if I need to describe them in any way.
I

Really :w00t

It is clear to me that if you are not racist ...then you are clearly confused.

Your statement above says it all for me.

But again since I am a Fifa guy .....what the fuck do i know ...right??

"...Nigga don't really describe race or color, but a way of dressing and musical taste.."

Jeesas Christ! :no:

Need i say more .....? It is too clear for me to continue killing this thread with this argument. I already have my proof.


Back on Topic ...

Should I now point out the title of the first 10 or maybe 15 threads in this PES 2012 forum?

Should I then indicate the content of each thread in terms of support for or against PES 2012?

I will again ask MarkCross, how am i trollin' in thread named Pes vs Fifa?

Who am i trollin on? Does he know the meaning of the word?

Are those threads against PES considered trollin?

Maybe someone should explain the meaning.

Fifa is the best game of football on any console todate.

PES 2012 sucks balls. Check the threads ...the proof is all there

fucking noobsters :laugh:
 

Dundon's

W.G.P
PES is broken and Fifa is flying at an all time high and as long as folks continue to buy PES the longer they will keep turning out rubbish updates.

I might try PES when the PS4 comes out in a few years it's that bad, maybe then they'll do a proper fix on it.
 

shaun7

Registered User
PES is broken and Fifa is flying at an all time high and as long as folks continue to buy PES the longer they will keep turning out rubbish updates.

That's NOT ONLY FOR PES. Fifa is by far a broken game here aswell. Pes failed in the execution part, as the visual parts like the animations, collisions, LICENSES, etc.. are not there, BUT FIFA FAILS AT IT'S CORE (super bad AI, no individuality, no tactics, overrated strength attribute, etc...) but somehow manages to execute the visual parts really well.

Fact is, that both pes and fifa NEED A LESSON, but the only problem with that is that we have no one to turn to.

This whole fifa is on a new level IS PURE BS. I don't hate fifa, I just hate the fact that people are OVERLOOKING THE OBVIOUS IN FIFA and are blinded by the animations, smoothness collisions and other eye candy stuff that it offers.
 

techboy11

Registered User
FIFA is a shower of shit. PES was a shower because of the goalies (out of the box), then it became a shower because of the blind fix where shooting went straight (1.01), then it was a shower because the game became dull and monotonous (1.02). BUT, a PC modded PES 2012 is a different kettle of fish altogether. The PES I have on my PC right now beats FIFA in almost every department. It's graphically superior, plays like football, the shooting and passing is sorted and the keepers are very good. Games ebb and flow, you never score the same goal twice, and gamespeed can be altered.

FIFA meh, only now the chickens are coming home to roost for gamers. Lots are flooding back to FIFA 11 in their droves, as the monotony, crap AI, and TOTAL scripting has left them cold for FIFA12.

The problem PES has is that people can't be expected to spend the amount of time that I have put into pimping my PES up. It should be like this out of the box. You shouldn't have to rely on twenty gameplay tweaks to get somewhere with it.

BUT, I challenge anyone to find a better simulation of football than what I have on the PC at the moment.
 

abu97

Registered User
People are overlooking it because of the freedom it provides. And tactics do work on FIFA, it's just most people don't use it or don't know where to access it. They just work better on pes.

Also the AI, in FIFA, isn't too bad because of this:-
Say if essien tried to cross it and it went past drogba and anelka and it was going out for a goal kick, in pes, the opposition would blast it away so Chelsea have the throw-in instead of there being in goal kick wheras in FIFA, they would have the sense to make it go out for a goal kick instead of giving away a cheap corner. So sometimes FIFA outsmarts PES in programming and AI. Anyway, FIFA's defending AI is excellent, even on legacy defending, not only tactical.

Also FIFA's career mode is excellent and Pes doesn't feel like it has the individuality it once had. Come on, only 4 different dribbling styles - haven't konami found out players can dribble in more than 4 ways? It's 2012, no 2002!
 

Dundon's

W.G.P
Have either of you played Fifa Pro Clubs online with your mates? If you haven't you're missing out on an experience. Agreed the AI is desperate, but then again has it ever been any good on any title?


Look, I was big fan of PES but since 2008 they have devastated me year after year to the point that I gave up playing football games in general. It's taken me until now to finally throw in the towel to Fifa because most of the lads I know play it online where the games runs perfect even at 11v11.

What really happened is PES made a bad product in 2008 and year after year they continue to try and fix it. Hopefully PES will come back with a vengeance on the PS4 because only then will they make an actual new version of the game.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Have either of you played Fifa Pro Clubs online with your mates? If you haven't you're missing out on an experience. Agreed the AI is desperate, but then again has it ever been any good on any title?


Look, I was big fan of PES but since 2008 they have devastated me year after year to the point that I gave up playing football games in general. It's taken me until now to finally throw in the towel to Fifa because most of the lads I know play it online where the games runs perfect even at 11v11.

What really happened is PES made a bad product in 2008 and year after year they continue to try and fix it. Hopefully PES will come back with a vengeance on the PS4 because only then will they make an actual new version of the game.

You hit the nail on the head there....

Since PES arrival on Nex Gen console it has been struggling. The game has hardly moved from where is was on PS2 aside from its bright and amazing colours.

Animations, Gameplay, AI and almost every aspect of the basic setup of PES is just crap. It just does not appeal to the masses anymore.
I come back every year to look at its development and I am met with same results. Remove stuff that is not a problem to the game, polish and change the menus and voila ....you have the next series.

I like Fifa because they have clearly sacrificed the time to invest in a more creative and updated game. Innovation and creativity seems to be pushing the title also. EA is simply not afraid to push the envelop. This years introduction of both TD and the Impact Engine has been met with a few scrutiny. But for the first time we are seeing gradual changes. If they can improve on both next year .....i won't even be looking in this direction.

Again, the choice is based on preference but as I stated before Fifa outselling PES by 25 to 1 should basically open up the eyes of non believers.

Join the United States of Fifa....:rolleyes:

Best footie game ever! Without apology!
 

shaun7

Registered User
People are overlooking it because of the freedom it provides.

Freedom? That's an illusion. Freedom for the loss of individuality? There's no way i'll accept that. Fifa's freedom is not freedom, it's more like giving the people manual control so that they will feel good about themselves, when in reality, all it takes is some practice as the movement of the stick is so sensitive that you could play it blind folded, since you won't need to see the end result when in manual mode, because it all depends on your touch. Once you learn the movement with your hands, it becomes easy and this whole manual argument falls down because the game does not have any individuality what so ever.

Though I agree that FIFA does give you the freedom of a proper direction to shoot unlike pes which is a huge shame on pes.


And tactics do work on FIFA, it's just most people don't use it or don't know where to access it. They just work better on pes.
They don't work well enough because for example I play with Juve, and I play Pepe on the RWF or RM. Next thing I know is that Pepe is playing at LM or AMF. Seriously, they can't even get a position right let alone a change in the way you play and build up your play tactics.



Also the AI, in FIFA, isn't too bad because of this:-
Say if essien tried to cross it and it went past drogba and anelka and it was going out for a goal kick, in pes, the opposition would blast it away so Chelsea have the throw-in instead of there being in goal kick wheras in FIFA, they would have the sense to make it go out for a goal kick instead of giving away a cheap corner. So sometimes FIFA outsmarts PES in programming and AI. Anyway, FIFA's defending AI is excellent, even on legacy defending, not only tactical.

Defending is BROKEN ON FFIA. There's no timing involved, it's all about bumping not tackling. Yes there are instances where the AI in Pes is just a fail but I could write an endless list on the AI fails in fifa, not to mention again, the spots on the pitch where a tackle never works and the AI takes full advantage of it. That's just a gamebreaker. Both pes and fifa have these gamebreakers unfortunately.


Also FIFA's career mode is excellent and Pes doesn't feel like it has the individuality it once had. Come on, only 4 different dribbling styles - haven't konami found out players can dribble in more than 4 ways? It's 2012, no 2002!
Fifa's career mode is realistic MINUS the retarded transfers yeah.
The dribbling styles?
Pes has 4 and it's outdated yeah, BUT FIFA ONLY HAS 1. What's the point of bringing up this argument when pes has 3 more dribbling styles than fifa.
 

abu97

Registered User
^^^^^^^^
I'm not even bother going to argue all of that.
First, you haven't even played FIFA, only watched youtube clips. In fifa, passing support works unlike pes.
Second, you can do any skill you desire whilst in PES there is a limted number of skills.
Thirdly, You have to actually play the full game more than once to realize the art of defending on FIFA- It's not like pes where the AI time your tackles because there is no freedom(when i press slide tackle, the cup automatically decides i want to stand tackle when i don't). Also, FIFA don't struggle with Zonal marking unlike pes which do as cb's are out of positions and they let every attacker get past them even with jockey
Fourthly, another example of freedom is the ability to do your own goal celebration when you score inlike PES wherethe computer decides if you do goal celebration '1' or '2'.
Fifthly, FIFA gives a default dribbling style to every player as they work with most which is why c.ronaldo and messi dribble the way they do unlike pes where he, along with players like robben or miccoli, has a stupid unrealistic 'speed merchant card' which makes them do speed at high turns without losing speed every time.

Anyway the fact that you think that a player doesn't stick to the position they are in, then you clearly go onto youtube and type in FIFA 12 fails and find vids of these. Ofcourse there will be time things like that happen because no football game is perfect but if you played it, you'd notice that it happens rarely and even in football you sometimes see pepe helping out on the left midfield
 
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