This is so ridicolus...

Never such thing or similar happened to me. I had some bery sweaty goals, those wingers' runs from the corner, etc, but never a "bug". In fact, the only one I've seen with my own eyes was in a friend's penalty, where the ball went through the keeper.

I myself have never seen a goalkeeper act this brain-dead.

If that happened in a meaningful game I would be very pissed off. I've had slightly similar stuff happen, usually involves a defender (who I can't switch the cursor to) failing to respond to a loose ball.

Haha, its retarded, but its not scripting as you've written in your video. You give Konami far too much credit. It's a bug, just some dreadful code going on there. Thats never happened to me before, but I did have the ball bounce through my goalkeeper. I was bringing him out, but I decided not to as he was going to win the ball. He took a step back after I took my finger off 'Y', the ball bounced, he took a step forward to dive at it and it went through him. Retarded. Saying Konami mean things like that is almost giving them a compliment, as if their code is working perfect. It's not, and far from it sometimes.

It is scripting - it's just the computer has had to prevent the player from getting to the ball on multiple occasions during one incident.

Normally the scripting sequences are much lower because the outcome dictated is normally cleaner. i.e. You slide and make a successful challenge for the ball only to see it bobble or bounce straight back to their player - this is a clean instance of scripting. Now it can happen more than that, you can make a second challenge on the second player to regain the ball only for the same thing to happen - this is very annoying but can happen, the computer can also fall over your player bringing him down at a crucial moment (funny enough you never get a free kick) just in time to prevent you from having a successful outcome.

Other instances of scripting include but are not excluded to; player slow-down or speeding at crucial moments, cursor changing or not at crucial moments, players momentarily running away et al, or that ball physics, passing/shooting etc, suddenly becoming extremely inconsistent (same with shooting).

The problem here is that the player has unfortunately endured a collection of scripts to negate his opportunity of getting the ball. It's no bug - just extremely bad programming. This is how outcomes are determined online - albeit not on this scale, more of a momentum scale but it's still scripting.

The only way you can call this a bug is in the extreme nature of the scripting - i.e. the blatant lengths the computer went to ensuring its own positive outcome, and that there was no affective disguise on the scripts hence it was exposed in such a debacle manner. Expect more in 2016 - just look at Fifa they've adopted the same thing - video upon video of unfair scripting moments - but you have to love those ignorant fools who keep thinking it doesn't exist even though it's blatantly obvious, as obvious as a big wet Salmon getting smacked across face.

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Whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. Old ground I couldn't be bothered getting into again.

EDIT:Oh I missed the bit where you call me an ignorant fool, as I didn't read your post the first time as I knew it was drivel anyway. Having to throw insults at me from nowhere just shows how much of a complete an utter loser you are. Thanks for showing that. Your so dreadful at the game, as you've proved before, I'm not surprised you see every little thing as scripted. God love ya. I could go on FAR more, but I already wasted enough time on a mongo like you before.

Rat Monkey said:

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Whatever, you're entitled to your opinion. Old ground I couldn't be bothered getting into again.

EDIT:Oh I missed the bit where you call me an ignorant fool, as I didn't read your post the first time as I knew it was drivel anyway. Having to throw insults at me from nowhere just shows how much of a complete an utter loser you are. Thanks for showing that. Your so dreadful at the game, as you've proved before, I'm not surprised you see every little thing as scripted. God love ya. I could go on FAR more, but I already wasted enough time on a mongo like you before.

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I merely stated that I believe what happened in OP's video was down to extreme scripting and not a bug, and that, sadly, there are idiots out there who think that scripting doesn't exist, if you include yourself in this list then that's completely up to you but don't use it as a means to insult me directly. Thanks.

Since the game operates differently on different platforms I think it would be highly beneficial for users if there were separate sections of the forum specifically designed for each platform so no one gets confused for I am only talking about the PC version - I could not comment on any other version.

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I merely stated that I believe what happened in OP's video was down to extreme scripting and not a bug, and that, sadly, there are idiots out there who think that scripting doesn't exist, if you include yourself in this list then that's completely up to you but don't use it as a means to insult me directly. Thanks.

Since the game operates differently on different platforms I think it would be highly beneficial for users if there were separate sections of the forum specifically divided for each platform so no one gets confused for I am only talking about the PC version - I could not comment on any other version.

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Is there something wrong with you? OF COURSE, that was directed at me also. What other possible way could I've taken that given it was directly a response to my post, because I said it wasn't scripting AND heated debated have been had about this before. Your actually tryin to turn this on me? Haha, holy fuck your deluded.

Bugs, Scripting, Programming, Coding ....they are all the same.

I can't believe there are still grown adults that believe that a computer/video game is intentionally cheating them. :laugh:

RatMonkey is right..it is a freaking Bug.

A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways. Most bugs arise from mistakes and errors made by people in either a program's source code or its design.

Don't let Konami's poor programming and coding cause you guys to argue over something that they did wrong.

PES is shit!

It may look like a bug, but like I said it's a collection of events where the computer prevents the player from preventing the computer doing what it wants - provoking the computer makes computer maaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Unfortunately, for the player in question this culminated in a collection of these single AI prevention scripts all hitting at once so no matter what he did he was prevented from stopping the goal because the script outcome executed for that moment (regardless of natural player position/natural movement/ball physics etc) was that the computer would score and this led it to go to extreme (and crazy looking) lengths to make that happen - hence the madness. Like I said before, this normally doesn't happen to such extremes, the most common scripting comes in the form of a bit of slow-down, or players running off at crucial moments or a pass not working as it should or an AI player falling over you preventing you from getting the ball etc, or a bit of inconsistent ball physics returning the ball straight back to AI after successful tackle etc, all smoothly blended into the play so as to appear not as apparent, but it is most definitely there.

You could say that it is a bug in that the gameplay code is written in such a way as to try and prevent the AI scripting from being so obvious/visible in an attempt to blend it in to the game-play whereas here (in the OP video) it is blatantly exposed which devs would certainly not want to happen.

P.S.

I wrote..

"...but you have to love those ignorant fools who keep thinking it doesn't exist..."

does not mean you Ratmonkey.

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A software bug is an error, flaw, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that causes it to produce an incorrect or unexpected result, or to behave in unintended ways. Most bugs arise from mistakes and errors made by people in either a program's source code or its design.

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This!
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There is that much code, therefore, logic in these games that the code does unexpected things. Its impossible for humans to comprehend absolutely all the variable outcomes due to the enormous amount of logic or code going on in a game thats this complex. As a result, unexpected combinations of the logic and variables in the code combine that are nigh on impossible to fully predict due to the complexity of the code. Unless, you use mathematical proofs for coding which are far too expensive and take way too much development time considering the yearly turn around of the game and the fact its a new engine. Critical safety software for cars and such that puts human life at risk only use these proofs and even then that has flaws sometimes. This is only a football game with a yearly turn around and a new engine. Of course it has bugs. Every game does, even those that have been in development for years.

fatehasfans said:

"...but you have to love those ignorant fools who keep thinking it doesn't exist..."

does not mean you Ratmonkey.

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It was obviously directed at me. I've already responded to it, now let it go!

Rat Monkey said:

This!
[MENTION=227658]fatehasfans[/MENTION]
There is that much code, therefore, logic in these games that the code does unexpected things. Its impossible for humans to comprehend absolutely all the variable outcomes due to the enormous amount of logic or code going on in a game thats this complex. As a result, unexpected combinations of the logic and variables in the code combine that are nigh on impossible to fully predict due to the complexity of the code. Unless, you use mathematical proofs for coding which are far too expensive and take way too much development time considering the yearly turn around of the game and the fact its a new engine. Critical safety software for cars and such that puts human life at risk only use these proofs and even then that has flaws sometimes. This is only a football game with a yearly turn around and a new engine. Of course it has bugs. Every game does, even those that have been in development for years.



It was obviously directed at me. I've already responded to it, now let it go!

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I really didn't mean anything toward you, if you think that then you are wrong. If that was the case and I just want to initiate a shit throwing contest then I would have had ample reason to directly abuse you after your direct comments at me, if being abusive to you was my plan then why wouldn't I respond to your attack on me? The answer is because I didn't and you're wrong - I have been nothing but cordial with you here and you seem to want to provoke me but I'm a little more mature than that. Like I said if you were offended then I apologize but that was never my intention.

I think you are wrong on a lot of things regarding this game but I'm not even sure you play the same platform and furthermore as you highlighted people are entitled to their views and I respect that, so good luck Ratmonkey, keep on truckin'

Still, I score better goals than you ;P

fatehasfans said:

if being abusive to you was my plan then why wouldn't I respond to your attack on me? The answer is because I didn't and you're wrong.

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It would actually make more sense if you did respond angrily if in fact you were not trying to be "abusive" to me and I got you wrong, would it not? As I've attacked you wrongly? Responding meekly only reinforces it. I never considered it abusive as thats a little strong, but it was a blatant sideswipe.

This was over and done with, with my initial response to you as far as I'm concerned, except you keep bringing it up and making out its all in my head. I'll certainly respond to that. Now get over it, I don't care!!! Its not exactly a hanging offense.

Dear oh dear.

You were supposed to respond by telling me that you score better goals than me and then I get you to link your best goal so I can trump it :erm:

It's not a bug. A bug would be if the keeper flipped out and clipped through the pitch. In this case, (in my opinion) the keeper slows down intentionally, because that's what the code told him to do.

It's a coding bug then! Bugs can appear in coding too, not just in graphics and animations.

On a serious note, The OP video can either be scripting or a bug.

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Just like [MENTION=227658]fatehasfans[/MENTION] said. There's alot of scripting going on in the game.
One example is the above video where Messi[COM] is not destined to score in this sequence. He missed penalty. The ball goes back to him. He didn't react.

Scripting can either favor you or the CPU. On higher difficulty, it favors the CPU more.

Unfortunately, none of either side of the argument can ever be proven without seeing the code, which makes these arguments never ending and essentially pointless. Another scripting thread, lovely! The other scripting thread dies and a new one is born. You scripting lads sure are a crafty bunch of fuckers and I inadvertently started it all again by disagreeing with it. I took the bait. So naive!

Too many times I will lob a ball into the box and my forward will either never run to it, or in some cases specifically avoid it. This is so the CPU keeper or defender can get to it over me

I am hitting super cancel trying to break my player out of the haze he is in but no result. When I watched the original post video I see almost exactly the same behavior I mention above. I can be right alongside the ball but some invisible force field is stopping me from getting to it.

I think it is scripting and a poor coding. Scripting to allow the CPU to get the ball instead of me, a bug because it is poorly executed so instead of a last second race to the ball it turns out no CPU player is nearby so it looks bad

IronCity said:

I am hitting super cancel trying to break my player out of the haze he is in but no result. When I watched the original post video I see almost exactly the same behavior I mention above. I can be right alongside the ball but some invisible force field is stopping me from getting to it.

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Yeah, it's annoying when the game essentially takes control of your player preventing him from getting the ball. There was one time (which I had recorded it) when I tried to get the ball but he just ran round it in a circle. :unsure:

[MENTION=203227]Rat Monkey[/MENTION] - the fact that Konami have admitted to the existence of scripting in the past, is enough evidence for me.